He is very good at presenting a misleading picture with the help of incorrect comparative figures. The fact is that more than 2005 rape cases have been registered in the last two years. School children are being kidnapped. Elderly people are being waylaid and robbed in broad daylight. Those accused in the rape and murder of three girls in Junagarh are still at large.
RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 17, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
It is true that there are Muslims who cheat, bribe and whose personal character is indeed disappointing when judged by the standard of Islam. There are black sheep in every community, and the Muslim community has theirs. It is important to bear in mind though, that display of such low ethical standards by some Muslims is a result of not following the teachings of Islam.
RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by JGN on Oct 17, 2007 12:15 PM Permalink
Mr. Ismail Sayyed, to a large extent the human behaviour depends on the circumstances in which he is brought up. Genetics also play a major part in the same. These problems get compounded when you follow a book like The Koran, which is inherently violent.
RE:RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by Sahadevan KK on Oct 18, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
Gujarat palace is cracking down... Three communist forts are built with strong black stones.... RSS goons are still write malicious things about the Left.
RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 17, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
I am Surprised that HINDU FANATICS like "MOHAN KUMAR" alias "MOHAMMED QURAISHI" are keeping Muslim Names ??? Even after so much hatred for Islam they are happy to keep the Muslim Names...
RE:RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by Mohammed Kureshi on Oct 17, 2007 05:52 PM Permalink
Brother Ismail, Since you have repeatedly made allegations against me as Hindu fanatic, I am forced to write this. I would like to inform that I am Muslim by birth. But as I grew up & started to study about the religion more, I used to find lot of non-sense things which can not be there if it was dictated by the almighty. The biggest problem with our religion is nobody can ask questions or doubts. If you do so, the conservative people like Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor are there to label us as Hindu fanatic. These are the people who are real enemies of our religion though they pretend that they are protecting the religion. As I have repeatedly mentioned before, the need of the hour is the reforms from the old concepts. Unless this happens, we will not be able to keep our pace with time & will become obsolete even before we realise it. Evolution is the universal law of nature & it applies to religion as well. Rational criticism should be welcome by all & I would like to make a open appeal to Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor to study more about the religion. I appreciate the efforts by JGN, Imran & Salaman as they have put the criticism in bold but decent words. It shows there depth of knowledge & understanding.
RE:RE:RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by Mohammed Kureshi on Oct 17, 2007 05:55 PM Permalink
Brother Ismail, I will not give you the proof of being Muslim due to the following reasons. 1. You have no buseness to ask for the proof 2. Quran is available on hundreds of websites on the internet & any muslim/non-muslim can easily produce this proof in no time. In other words, knowing the first word of Quran can never be a proof of being Muslim. Instead of asking for the proof for myself being a muslim, I would have appreciated if you had challanged my understanding about the Islam. This would make sense as it would open the door for a constructive debate. I can show you many muslims brothers who are reading Quran since childhood but if you check their understanding, you will find nothing. On the contrary, there are some non-muslim brothers like JGN who have studied it thoroughly. I salute JGN for his deep study of Quran eventhough he is non-muslim & we should encourage such people who are studying our great religion. You may not agree with their opinion but you must respect their study. Again I would like to request you to write in your own words instead of doing copy-paste of readily available data from any website. But this requires lot od study as you will have to first read it & then will have to think by using your own brain which the alimighty has given to you. Again I want to mention here that I am a Muslim by birth & I have great faith in Allah , the almighty, the creator. But I don't want to shape my faith in Allah as per dectated by anybody else.
RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by Mohammed Kureshi on Oct 17, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
Do not paste the same message again& again. First read what I have written, then think & then write your in your own words in civilised manner. Don't take ownership of our great religion. Using words like IMPOTENT shows your impotency in meeting with the challenges.
RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 17, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
Can you Prove to me that u r a Muslim.Tell me the First Word of Quran. I m not here to preach anything as i have no authorities but i m against hypocrites like you who are afraid to reveal their true identities.. since you have collected data targetting one faith, do you have data on others faiths too, if so why you didnt post the other side... is it not a matter of being rascist.
RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by JGN on Oct 17, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, why are you persisting with the same dogmas again and again? We are not the enemies of muslims or Islam as a religion. We are only against irrationalism.
Until and unless the muslims retrospect and learn to keep pace with the changing world, your community cannot progress. Any amount of madrassa education will not give our muslim friends an opportunity to earn a decent livlihood. Today's world driven by science technology has made the religions, holy-books, prophets, etc redundant.
We cannot follow what The Prophet prescribed for the inhabitants of 7th Century Arabia. Take the good part of his teachings, so far as applicable to the present times.
RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by Imran on Oct 17, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
Yaron Ismail is in a fix he really is incapable of debating abt islam he jsut keeps repeating the same nonsense. He cant even differentiate between good and bad.
RE:RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by K on Oct 18, 2007 01:38 AM Permalink
Oh Boy! Do you memorise every word in Quran by heart? The way students learn multiplication tables? Dont you think its message that has more importance than words and sequence in which the message is expressed?
RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by JGN on Oct 17, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
Dear Kureshi, pl don't be discouraged by the insult being heaped upon progressive thinking muslims like you, Imran, etc. Unless educated persons like you come forward and make members of your community understand the futility of blindly following what is written in a book centuries ago, there cannot be any real progress. The dimwitted mullas are only interested in keeping the masses ignorant for furthering their selfish ends.
RE:Attn Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 17, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
Yesterday I remember u said some very vulgar things about our Prophet..No muslim can say that.. I m not saying muslims are Perfect.It is true that there are Muslims who cheat, bribe and whose personal character is indeed disappointing when judged by the standard of Islam. There are black sheep in every community, and the Muslim community has theirs. It is important to bear in mind though, that display of such low ethical standards by some Muslims is a result of not following the teachings of Islam.
Modi is not a Good Person.Even i used to think like that..But i have realised after going through the nets that Hindutva does'nt makes sense. It only Creates Hatred among the various Communities.. Modi has nothing to do with Hindutva. He showed his true colours when he supported a leader like LK Advani for his remarks on Jinnah. The RSS and the Sangh Parivar had no objections to Advani visiting (Mohammad Ali) Jinnah's mausoleum and paying him tributes. But calling Jinnah secular and a nationalist was unacceptable. Everyone in the Sangh felt outraged but Modi alone supported him. In fact, people like Modi have nothing to do with Hindus or Muslims. They are opportunists.
This article is in poor shape and shows the psuedo secular nature of writer.. how come he is sure that Brahma is only one who takes all hindu God avtars.. this is blasphemy... and for timesofindia to write it, is a sad event... i have heard this one when one of missinary in India was trying to lure hindus by confusing them... i have another similar incident.. One missionary was riding through a village in MP.. he stopped his car in a village.. He urged the villagers to push his car.. all villagers while pushing said.. Jai Sri Ram.. jor se... the missionary said .. it will not work.. say .. Jai Yeshu.. Jor Se.. the villagers followed and he started the car by turning the key... He was successful to harvest 10 souls there... by luck.. they became hindus again after 2 years... such is the state of secularism in India
RE:down with psuedos and frauds
by Raman Sadwal on Oct 17, 2007 01:16 AM Permalink
for ref to above .. pls read http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Editorial/LEADER_ARTICLE_Prayer_For_Congress/rssarticleshow/2464725.cms#wr ite
Narendra Modi will win the elections in Gujarat hands down. BJP is the ultimate Political Machine in Gujarat.
Narendra Modi has all the qualities, which a National leader should have, he is charismatic, decisive, Patriotic, nationalistic, has superb management skills, innovative, excellent administrative skills. Brilliant Oratory skills.
He has his vision very clear in curbing terrorism, about being ruthless in dealing with them.
It is very rare to find an excellent politician like him.
He surely has the calibre and stature to be the prime minister of the country.
He will be able to lead India economically on a much higher trajectory.
We need more patriotic and nationalistic persons like Narendra Modi.
Hail Narendra Modi, the future Prime Minister of India !!!!
THE BJP JUGGERNAUT IS NOW UNSTOPPABABLE, IT WILL WIN ELECTIONS IN GUJARAT.
VOTE FOR BJP AND LIVE WITH PRIDE !!!!
BJP DRIVEN BY PATRIOTISM POWERED BY NATIONALISM !!!
RE:Narendra Modi is the Ultimate Winner !!!!
by Tataghata Mukherjee on Oct 17, 2007 09:34 AM Permalink
Modi is not a Good Person.Even i used to think like that..But i have realised after going through the nets that Hindutva does'nt makes sense. It only Creates Hatred among the various Communities.. Modi has nothing to do with Hindutva. He showed his true colours when he supported a leader like LK Advani for his remarks on Jinnah. The RSS and the Sangh Parivar had no objections to Advani visiting (Mohammad Ali) Jinnah's mausoleum and paying him tributes. But calling Jinnah secular and a nationalist was unacceptable. Everyone in the Sangh felt outraged but Modi alone supported him. In fact, people like Modi have nothing to do with Hindus or Muslims. They are opportunists.
RE:Narendra Modi is the Ultimate Winner !!!!
by K on Oct 16, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Congratulations! Now number of comments totals up to 450! Yippee, we have huge collection! Keep it up, buddy! We have new target of 900! Go for it! Say it loud, "Ganapati Bappa More-ya"
The future generation of Hindus will worship Narendra Modi and construct temples, as a mark of respect, for saving them from the Jehadi terrorists and saving them from Jehadism. Islamic extremists like Taliban are causing great havoc in Afghanistan Bangladesh, Pakistan, where minority Hindus are persecuted and harassed. Women getting raped and forcibly converted.
He will be remembered as Shivaji of the 21st Century, who saved Hindus from the onslaught of Islamo-fascist terrorists!!!
Look at Gujarat, there has been no terrorist attack at all, barring the unfortunate incident at Akshardham.
Hail Narendra Modi, the future Prime Minister of India !!!
Vote for BJP and live with pride.
Hindus, remember this is the only country for you, if you remain divided, there will be a day not far in the future, where you will meet the same fate as Kashmiri Pandits.
RE:There will be temples specially constructed for Narendra Modi !!!
by Sahadevan KK on Oct 23, 2007 12:50 PM Permalink
Modi gets the 'fire' and BJP gets the brickbats throughout India, according to they gave to the people of Gujarat; the Left gets mass support, what they gave to the people of Bengal for last 30 years.
Read my blog on http://sahadevan.wordpress.com/ http://www.geocities.com/kksahadevan/
Why are you fighting???? like this...Ok i think i have a solution to ismails problem!! endorse him that he is right! then he will stop the whole issue!! let him be right in his own terms! ISMAIL please understand...in arabic Allah means GOD it has never said Allah is god...DO you get it..ONE who believes in allah is a muslim..means one who is god fearing is muslim...thats it...there is nothing more nothing less!!!anyone who fears in god and believes in god is a muslim...!! dont get fabricated ideas from somehwere and kill our valuable time...please
Alright people, after having succcchaaa lot of heated argument here is something to amuse you. I was desparately searching for my post, to read if there is any response on my post. It took me solid 20 mins just to scroll down to 446 messages. I am still not able to find my post!!! BOOOOHOOOOOO...... It must have lost in some of the 'Reported for abuse' or 'Post is permanently removed' or 'Moderator's decision is awaited' messages. I have no energy to go through them again!!!LOL... We have 450 people to speak 'for and against' Modi and not even 4 to extend any help for him. And we hate to be called "Third World people"! LMAO.....
RE:May be because
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
>>>>> Phohibits Alcohol .........but Allah has promised river full of wine after the death!!!!!!!!! Why there is a prohibition on consuming alcohol when Allah himself has prepared river full of wine for the pious (?) muslims?
RE:RE:May be because
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
>>>>Sex outside ofyour marriage is a Grave Sin....but you can have temporary mariages even for a few hours.............is this not legalized prostitution?????????
RE:May be because
by Billy on Oct 16, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
Hello JGN, Thats quiet and intelligent question you asked. Yes there will be 'wine rivers in Jannah'. But there won't be any evil in yourh earth and mind. When you enter Jannah (heaven) the Evil will be killed for ever. So you see now you can drink but you will not be doing or thinking evil. Let me know if this help. I can clarify more if needed.
Modi should be Given Nobel Prize..He has promoted & Instigated peace in India.He is the Symbol of peace & development while Standing on the Corpses of innocent peoples.. Vote for Modi & maKe him PM. It will bring More Glory to our Nation..
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Mohammed Kureshi on Oct 17, 2007 01:24 PM Permalink
Brother Ismail, I will not give you the proof of being Muslim due to the following reasons. 1. You have no buseness to ask for the proof 2. Quran is available on hundreds of websites on the internet & any muslim/non-muslim can easily produce this proof in no time. In other words, knowing the first word of Quran can never be a proof of being Muslim. Instead of asking for the proof for myself being a muslim, I would have appreciated if you had challanged my understanding about the Islam. This would make sense as it would open the door for a constructive debate. I can show you many muslims brothers who are reading Quran since childhood but if you check their understanding, you will find nothing. On the contrary, there are some non-muslim brothers like JGN who have studied it thoroughly. I salute JGN for his deep study of Quran eventhough he is non-muslim & we should encourage such people who are studying our great religion. You may not agree with their opinion but you must respect their study. Again I would like to request you to write in your own words instead of doing copy-paste of readily available data from any website. But this requires lot od study as you will have to first read it & then will have to think by using your own brain which the alimighty has given to you. Again I want to mention here that I am a Muslim by birth & I have great faith in Allah , the almighty, the creator. But I don't want to shape my faith in Allah as per dectated by anybody else.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
Dear Imran, we can only wake up a sleeping person, but not one who pretends to be asleep. Persons like Mr. Ismail Sayyed and Mr. Gladiator are pretending that they do not understand the deviousness of The Prophet (Mohammed).
They are happy following what has been told by The Prophet for the inhabitants of Arabia in the 7th century and refuse to see the progress made by mankind (with the help of science and technology)! According to people like them, there is no need to look beyond The Koran for all the problems around us.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Imran on Oct 16, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
Dear JGN Ismail is doing a disservice to muslims by promoting false belief of islam. Although prophet Mo qualified to get paradise by his jihadi activities and cutting many infidel heads later in Madina, he did not have his head cut by an infidel and thus could not achieve "shahadat". His head was intact on his shoulders until the end and was safely resting on the thighs of his gorgeous teenage wife Ayesha when he died. Prophet Mo is Still Waiting For His Houris Actually the odds of that happening were high since Ayesha's thighs were often the resting place for his head even when she was menstruating.. Bukhari ;Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296: Narrated 'Aisha: "The Prophet used to recite Qur'an with his head on my lap while I was in menses".
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
& U writing such things & U claim yourself to be Muslim.can any muslim for that matter any person can say such vulgar things about his own religion.You people say u r athiest. since you have collected data targetting one faith, do you have data on others faiths too, if so why you didnt post the other side... is it not a matter of being rascist. SABKO SANMATI DE BHAGWAN.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Mohammed Kureshi on Oct 17, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
Since you have repeatedly made allegations against me as Hindu fanatic, I am forced to write this. I would like to inform that I am Muslim by birth. But as I grew up & started to study about the religion more, I used to find lot of non-sense things which can not be there if it was dictated by the almighty. The biggest problem with our religion is nobody can ask questions or doubts. If you do so, the conservative people like Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor are there to label us as Hindu fanatic. These are the people who are real enemies of our religion though they pretend that they are protecting the religion. As I have repeatedly mentioned before, the need of the hour is the reforms from the old concepts. Unless this happens, we will not be able to keep our pace with time & will become obsolete even before we realise it. Evolution is the universal law of nature & it applies to religion as well. Rational criticism should be welcome by all & I would like to make a open appeal to Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor to study more about the religion. I appreciate the efforts by JGN, Imran & Salaman as they have put the criticism in bold but decent words. It shows there depth of knowledge & understanding.
RE:RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Billy on Oct 16, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Imran... Your sarcasm is quiet an indication that you are not a Muslim to begin with. I prefer you do not quote a Hadith or any relevant material unless you truly understand the meaning and the context of each verse from Quran and the Meaning of each ahadith. I can certainly help if you need any counselling. As a Muslim I respect every religion and that is what my Quran says... 109.006 PICKTHAL: Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. Also read about what Ismail said on the very first post of this trail going on.
Note: Ismail, sometimes there are people who claims themselves to be scholars. I hope they understand the meaning of their words.
'Apna Imaan woh Jaanay, mein apna imaan kyon kharab karoon...' Take it easy!!!
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
Dear BK, >>>>>>unless you truly understand the meaning and the context of each verse from Quran........ so the Quran is prone to mis-intrepretation and the context and meaning thereof can be twisted to suit the circumstances. The Prophet himself changed the verses from time to time to suit his convenience. I think his wife Aisha was well aware of this and on one occassion she had retorted to the Prophet that "The Allah is very eager to fulfil all your wishes"
So every thing has to be interpreted/understood in time and space. The Prophet's teachings were meant for the inhabitants of 7th Century Arabia. The same cannot be applied in toto in 21st century India or even Arabia
RE:RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
How much of hatred and venom can you pack in that little head of yours, JGN. You are amazing.
Why u r giving religious colour to the matter. Criticism should be objective,but your criticism seem to be of Racist nature.. Your Biased remarks are not in the interest of nations. It is only meant to demoralised the whole nations.. since you have collected data targetting one faith, do you have data on others faiths too, if so why you didnt post the other side... is it not a matter of being rascist.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Imran on Oct 16, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
Ismail JGN has a big brain and can accomodate many things but the sad part is allah has given u a very small brain no wonder u lack intelligence
RE:RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
I am Surprised that HINDU FANATICS like "IMRAN" alias "MOHAMMED QURAISHI" are keeping Muslim Names ??? Even after so much hatred for Islam they are happy to keep the Muslim Names...
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 06:50 PM Permalink
Dear Imran, though I am an irreligious person, I dont like insulting The Prophet (Mohammed)or any gods of other religions. We have to give due respect to the sentiments of the believers.
To me it seems that The Prophet was a good person.There is a possibility that his disciples exaggerated a lot about him after his death for achieving their narrow agenda (establishing an Islamic kingdom).
Ismal is Arab Imperialism. Indian and Pakistani muslims are not considered as equals by the Arabs.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 07:01 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, we are enemies of Islam or muslims. I have a large number of muslim friends and I visit some of them quite often. For most of them, their religiosity is limited to going to the Mosque on Fridays and observing fast during Ramzan. They never preach about the superiority of their religion. Not only Islam but all religions are hoaxes.
We are only against irrationalism. Since you are spending a lot of time on the internet, please download a copy of The Necessity of Atheism by Dr. D.M. Brooks available freely at www.gutenberg.org and read the same. It will defnitely enrich your knowledge.
RE:RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
No enemy of Islam wants to know about Islam and Muslims, because they very well know that it is a simple and practical religion and also the religion of puritans, they see in everything whether it is HARAAM or HALAAL and muslims accept only HALAAL.
If enemies of Islam understood the Islam in their deep sense, then how can they survive without indulging in THEIR FAVOURITE ACTS?
Impossible Task. Please help them to live on as they live now. LET THEM HEAP TRUCK LOADS OF RUBBISH on MUSLIMS,ISLAM, MOHAMMED and ALLAH. They cannot succeed in their evil designs.
BECAUSE GOD IS ALWAYS GREAT. LET US PRAY ALMIGHTY GOD TO CLEANSE THEIR DIRTY MINDS, EVEN THAT MAY TAKE A LONG TIME. TRUTH ALWAYS TRIUMPS.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
See I am not attacking individual relegion. But all I am saying is everybody thinks that his way to GOD is correct. Its like a BIG JIGSAW played by a small child. The smarted find the way fast, others will be ina riddle for long time. The riddle is their improper faith
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
Our Prophet died 1400 years Back. I know some people loves to Hate others. JGN & You cannot be changed. When you will die,you know what will happen to your Body.your people will burn you with the woods creating more pollutions in the air. And your Head which is full of Hatred & dirts will blow up like a Crackers. Then only your Hatred will vanish..
RE:RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, I have already answered your question. There are better methods now available than burning with woods. The modern crematoriums use electricity and natural gas. Burying dead bodies are more harmful to the nature. It will create ground water pollution!
Anyway disposing the body is the responsibility of those still alive. We are not unduly bothered about what will happen to our body once we are gone.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Imran on Oct 16, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
Hahahha ur comments are like a small child no wonder muslims never grow up they still belive in houris and jannat. Evryone dies Ismail and we were all dead before we were born and I never felt any pain when I was dead
