Just below my post are replies to a post by Raja Thakur by two gentlemen called Kumaraswamy Pillay and Vishwamithran TKB. While K Pillay is absolutely sure that gents of the Hindu Mahasabha worked for the unity of "Akhand Bharat", though nicely he calls it one country, his dear ideological colleague is doubly sure that the very same "Hindu Mahasabha freedom fighters" were not bootlickers of Ismamic (sic) Imperialism. Obviously for him, one country also meant one religion.
These comments should be syndicated by funtoosh.com for their jokes section. They will never run out of matter.
RE:who is this new gandhi
by Sathish N on Oct 09, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
Some guy sitting in New York. He know that if he doesn't speak for madam, he will be thrown out of the country. So, just trying to save his own skin.
RE:who is this new gandhi
by Shasikanth Malipeddi on Oct 09, 2007 06:37 PM Permalink
Shut up idiots. He is the grandson of Gandhiji and works hard to keep his idealogies afloat. He does not have a political role and has nothing to fear from Sonia or congress party. Satish, you are such an idiot to pass such comments on someone who you do not know anything about. Do you even know what he does and or what he stands for. Keep in mind, I am not saying this in support of Sonia or congress but to tell you find more about a person before making stupid comments.
RE:who is this new gandhi
by amdabessst on Oct 09, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
So this Gandhi really doesnt know his grandpa... He better know his roots before he he floats in some agenda.. he will be left nowhere, poor guy. I believe this is good example of suffering from Identity crisis .
Know the real Gandhi, not the propaganda. Real Gandhi did nothing for India's independence but expelled anyone who would dare to call for independence. He, along with Nehru, has lived on the handouts of Birla and Bajaj. He was against the revolutionaries, against Tilak, Netaji Subhas, but was a very pro-British. He has accepted the Pakistan proposal in 1949 but kept of telling lies to the people. He has refused to accept the prominent Muslim leaders in the Congress because he was determined to partition India. This is real Gandhi. He was a curse on India. If he had never returned back from South Africa, Indian history would be different for the better, partition may not happen at all. Now we are in a worse situation, India was partitioned but Muslims are still here demanding reservations. This is also due to Gandhi. Yes, Sonia is the pefect person, because she wants to hand over India to the U.S. just like Gandhi was a Empire loyalist.
RE:RE:Real M.K.Gandhi
by Raja Thakur on Oct 09, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Great, what a great knowledge you have. First of all Pakistan was not created in 1949. RSS was against independance. Our great ex PM Mr. Vajpayee has declared himslef a passerby in 1942 quit movement when he was cauaght along with lots of Satyagrahis. He gave an undertaking in Urdu in Gawaliar court that he was not part of the mob but a passerby. There is documentary proof of this and a man during his election in 1999 was distributing copies of this affidavit to people. These people have taken the independance for granted. The people who worked for indepedence are forgotton and new crop of psuedo patriots have to come to claim that they were real partiatic people. Give us a single name of RSS or Hindu Mahasabha man who went to jail for independence?
RE:Real M.K.Gandhi
by Kumaraswamy Pillay on Oct 09, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
dude get your history right. Either you have not heard the word history or have never bothered to study. You asked for one i will give you n names. Bhagat singh, chandrashekar azad, raj guru, sukhdev, ram prasad bismil, jatin das, lohia etc etc these people did not go to jail and do natakgiri like the so called pita of the country. They all gave their lives and they were all members of hindu mahasabha and most of all they never taked about partition and worked for one country. Your congress leaders who went to jail all came back and became prime ministers and ministers and look where india is after 60 years. Your patriotic people all got their pound of flesh from people. The latest one being sonia. What a mockery of people of india that sonia gandhi represents them in UN. What happend to prime minister and president and all others. Did they all forget their english or sonia refused them flight ticket. All congressis including Gandhi lovers all can go and commit mass harakiri for letting an italian go and represent india in UN. Dont bother to give any more gimmikery like gandhigiri and father of nation etc. New india neither has relevance nor has interest in all these sentimental, emotional and political bullshit
RE:Real M.K.Gandhi
by Vishwamithran TKB on Oct 09, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
What do you mean? Only those have participated in satyagraha are patriots and rest of them all fool? Hindu Mahasabha was instrumental for number of freedom fighters who are not bootlickers of Ismamic Imperialism.
RE:Real M.K.Gandhi
by Dipak Bose on Oct 09, 2007 06:05 PM Permalink
It was 1940, typing mistake. Gandhi has accepted the Pakistan Propsal in 1940. In 1943 he and Rajagopalacharia made a detail plan to partition India but he kept on saying partition can happen only on my dead body. He has rejected the offer of Fazlul Haque of Bengal to join Congress, rejected Khan Abdul Gaffer Khan, Rejected Khan of Kalat of Baluchistan because he was determined to partition India and put Nehru in power. What exactly Gandhi did for the Independence Movement ----nothing really.
Why we ppl are debating on that nehru family was gandhi or not. Simple fact is that they are gandhians or not, but they never followed gandhi's principles. Well, i have doubts, if any one can follow all of his principles, even gandhi himself failed to do this. Anyway he was also one(not only) of the gr8 freedom fighter of india, who did sacrificed hsi entire life for country.
RE:why debating on Gandhi?
by sudeep choudhari on Oct 09, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
It is better to be a hypocrite and win freedom. Rather than go into oblivion after loosing . Fact of the matter is when the dust settled British where gone , Bose was either dead or absconding, Bhagat singh , Rajguru gave life to show unethical practices of empire as much as we salute them ...Gandhi played his role in uniting most of India under single movement which finnaly made it impossible and un economical for Britishers to rule india. His idealism is some thing I don't suscribe to but I respect it. His shrewd tactical mind which routed britishers is still admirable .
Very few people know about Indira Gandhi.Indira Gandhi, daughter of Nehru, became PM of India in 1966. She was born on November 19, 1917 to Jawaharlal and Kamala Nehru. She fell in love and decided to marry Feroze Khan, a family friend. Feroze Khan%u2019s father, Nawab Khan, was a Muslim, and mother was a Persian Muslim. Though Nehru was against marriage, but Feroz was given his surname by Gandhi and from Khan he became Feroz Gandhi.
Rajiv, Rahul, Priyanka are not hindus as they are sons and daughters of a muslim father.
Surprisingly, this fact is not known to 98% congressmen.
We are busy in watching Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu thi and cricket matches. We after being slaved for 500 years have not learnt still the meaning of word FREEDOM.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi's grandson slams Sonia ad in NYT
by Sidharath Sharma on Oct 09, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
Then what if they are sons or daughter of a Muslim? Do you vote on the basis of religion? is it meaning of freedom?
RE:Mahatma Gandhi's grandson slams Sonia ad in NYT
by Dipak Bose on Oct 09, 2007 06:09 PM Permalink
India was partitioned on the basis of religion only.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi's grandson slams Sonia ad in NYT
by sudeep choudhari on Oct 09, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
Wrong statement Dipak Pakistan was created on religion basis by partitioning India. India never said Muslim's to leave the country . Pakistan had though not asked but wanted Hindu's to leave the country. So India never was patitioned from any where it was existing as it is existing before pakistan partitioned a part of its land.
As usual, we have the regular outpouring of hate messages disguised as well researched notes, and as usual, we do not have the answers to the questions that Arun Gandhi poses.
The fantabulous thing is that while Sonia-haters hated the fact that, of all people, the "Italian mafia" Sonia was speaking about the "Great Gandhi", another of their own ilk were frothing at the mouth that it was the "Greatest Curse Gandhi" that was being talked about and not "Godse".
There is nothing more hilarious than watching people open their mouths and loudly proclaim their "empty headedness".
RE:No reply?
by Dipak Bose on Oct 09, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
Know the real Gandhi, not the propaganda. Real Gandhi did nothing for India's independence but expelled anyone who would dare to call for independence. He, along with Nehru, has lived on the handouts of Birla and Bajaj. He was against the revolutionaries, against Tilak, Netaji Subhas, but was a very pro-British. He has accepted the Pakistan proposal in 1949 but kept of telling lies to the people. He has refused to accept the prominent Muslim leaders in the Congress because he was determined to partition India. This is real Gandhi. He was a curse on India. If he had never returned back from South Africa, Indian history would be different for the better, partition may not happen at all. Now we are in a worse situation, India was partitioned but Muslims are still here demanding reservations. This is also due to Gandhi. Yes, Sonia is the pefect person, because she wants to hand over India to the U.S. just like Gandhi was a Empire loyalist.
RE:No reply?
by Aby Koshy on Oct 09, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
Dear Dipak,
I really would love to know Gandhi and not the propaganda. So, tell me:
1. Who did Gandhi expel for calling of independence? What were the circumstances? Even if I did not get the answer to the first part, I vehemently demand the answer to the second. Simply because you "propogate" that one should know the real Gandhi and not the "propaganda".
2. On what material evidence do you say that Gandhi alongwith Nehru lived on the handouts of Birla and Bajaj? Was it a dole that they demanded from both Birla and Bajaj or was it voluntarily given out of some reason? What valid reason do you proffer to buttress your allegation that both Gandhi and Nehru were paupers and joined politics solely to live off the riches of Birla and Bajaj?
3. What are the reasons you offer to state that Gandhi was against Tilak? Was it ideological difference, political difference or methodological difference to attaining freedom? If either of the three or even all, how did that make Gandhi an Empire loyalist?
4. What Pakistan proposal had he accepted in 1949, two years after India and Pakistan were brutally partitioned, but instead kept lying to the people?
5. Which prominent Muslim leader did Gandhi forcibly sideline so that his determination to partition India could succeed? What were the circumstances of such sidelining?
6. On what basis do you call Gandhi a curse on India? Or is that just propaganda?
The Sonia questions can wait. I eagerly look forward to your kind reply.
RE:No reply?
by Rajesh krishna on Oct 09, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
Gandhi started a fast when Netaji defeated his candidate in the Congress election. And as a result Netaji had to resign from the post of Congress President.
Gandhiji was a great leader, led a simple life but he was very adamant and never listened to anyone except Nehru. He had supported the British in the second world war and exhorted Indians to join hands with them. He had expected the British would give freedom in turn. The fact why the British gave the freedom because the running 'The Raj' was eating into the economy of britain. Churchill even had sought the help of Eisenhower, the American president, for running 'The Raj' which he refused. Its very clear that the British had no other option but to let lose India.
After the independence Gandhiji sought to disband the congress which was discarded by Nehru and Patel. And now we are facing the consequences :)))
RE:No reply?
by Dipak Bose on Oct 09, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
Reply: 1. Who did Gandhi expel for calling of independence? First, Surendranath Banerjee, Chittaran Das, Srinivas Iyenger in 1920s. Then Subhas Chandra Bose and his 200 followers in 1939.
What were the circumstances? Because they were opposed to the begging and pleading of Gandhi to the British.
2. On what material evidence do you say that Gandhi alongwith Nehru lived on the handouts of Birla and Bajaj?
Both of them never did a days work to earn any money but they were of very rich standard of living. Who paid for them? Birla and Bajaj, who was the treasurer of The Congress. Gandhi and Nehru have served their purposes to divert the freedom movement, confuse people and to get the power on behalf of the business community. 3. What are the reasons you offer to state that Gandhi was against Tilak?
Gandhi was mentored by Gokhale, who was a pro-British and a statunch opponent of Tilak. Tilak had gathered a fund of Rs.10 Lakh to finance freedom movement. Gandhi gave it away to the Khilafat Movement. Gandhi got medals from the British in South Africa to work for them in the War between the British and the Dutch. During the First World War Gandhi was recruiting soldiers for the British.
4. What Pakistan proposal had he accepted in 1949, two years after India and Pakistan were brutally partitioned, but instead kept lying to the people?
In 1940, Gandhi has already accepted the Pakistan proposal, in 1943 he made a detail plan to partition India ( in the b
As usual, we have the regular outpouring of hate messages disguised as well researched notes, and as usual, we do not have the answers to the questions that Arun Gandhi poses.
The fantabulous thing is that while Sonia-haters hated the fact that, of all people, the "Italian mafia" Sonia was speaking about the "Great Gandhi", another of their own ilk were frothing at the mouth that it was the "Greatest Curse Gandhi" that was being talked about and not "Godse".
There is nothing more hilarious than watching people open their mouths and loudly proclaim their "empty headedness".
