12) When uniform is made compulsory for school children, why there is no Uniform Civil Code for citizens?
BJP was in power for six years. Nobody stopped them from bringing the Uniform Civil Code Bill. They only shouted for it for 40 years, but those jokers do not even have a draft of the Bill with them even today! If a true Common Code is introduced, Hindus will be the first to oppose it. Try it & see !
13) In what way, J&K is different from Maharashtra, TamilNadu or UttarPradesh, to have Article 370?
Maharashtra & Tamilnadu were parts of British India. Kashmir was not! The princely states decided to merge with India. The Hindu King of Kashmir was against merging with India. Kashmir was annexed to India after signing an Instrument of Accession in which special status was a condition put by that Hindu King. The blunders of Hindu kings have always costed India dearly!
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by The Indian on Oct 06, 2007 09:31 PM Permalink
you stupid moron.. BJP never got full majority... they were in power as NDA... if they had implemented 370, NDA would have pulled out next day... dont bark without knowing facts...
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by Swaran Singh on Oct 06, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
If you are atrue Indian then dont use angry language. Mr Butshikan is presenting his point of view. You dont get angry or discussion will become filthy.
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by Prabhanjan Butshikan on Oct 06, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
Extremely Wise Man, you donot require majority for preparing a draft of the Bill & have a debate on it in Parliament!
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by V H on Oct 06, 2007 11:15 PM Permalink
In order to prepare and debate a topic, you need approval of coalition partners.. basic knowledge and common sense seem to bypass most of Indians
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by V H on Oct 07, 2007 03:49 AM Permalink
Do you need know something about common agenda in a coalition politics? You cant willy nilly bring out issues. Give BJP majority and then lets talk
9) Today Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and madrasas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loud speakers that there is no God except Allah?
I agree with you. Majority of the Hindus are tolerant. Only 3.5% of them are an intolerant lot.
10) When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura And Kashi?
Hindus have not given 30% of their land. Some angry Muslims have taken it from Hindus. There was a fight for it & they won the fight. It is history now. Some Muslims chose to stay in India as Indians. Sacred places like Ayodhya, Mathura & Kashi are with Hindus. But begging is a respectable profession in Hinduism, so some BJPites beg for more & more! Even for something that is not rightfully theirs!
11) Why Temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, when they are free to spend their money in any way they like?
Temple funds are not spent for welfare of Muslims & Christians. Temples either use or misuse it by their choice.
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by Deepak MA on Oct 06, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
Point 11. Since you seem to be aware of what each temple does with its money, the Govt in many places controls the temples through Boards.
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by Prabhanjan Butshikan on Oct 06, 2007 09:15 PM Permalink
It gets audited & audit reports are very much in pubic domain!
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by V H on Oct 06, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
Soon you will see reports on this temple fund... how it is collected by the government and only 30% returned back to temple and the remaining into churches and mosques and Haj subsidy and into government official pockets. Common sense and simple logic seem to miss on most indians
6) Show one Muslim country, which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime Minister. Show one Hindu country that has a Muslim as President or Prime Minister. Remember, there is only one Hindu nation and that is Nepal. India is not a Hindu nation.
7) Show one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a 'fatwa' against terrorists. Show one Hindu Shankaracharya or Sadhu who has given a fatwa against the Hindu terrorists? Mind you Hindu terrorists are LTTE, Bajarang Dal (Dara Singh, Munna Bajarangi etc), Naxalites. There is no Muslim in LTTE, Bajarang Dal, Naxalites & Khalistanis.
Do not tell a lie that Hindus do not have the custom of Fatwa. Sadhu Vedanti has issued a fatwa against Mr Karunanidhi.
8) Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry , etc. have in the past elected Muslims as CM's, Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the CM of Muslim - majority J&K?
J&K has Muslim majority. Still it had a Hindu King! But that rascal refused to merge with India. Muslim Shaikh Abdulla was demanding merger with India & the Hindu king was not willing. With that experience, why should Kashmiris have a Hindu CM? For gaddari?
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by Sagar Tanksali on Oct 06, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
This is a case of misleading statistics. Yes, statistically 100% of hindu countries (the plural is intentional) have hindu rulers (ignoring the recent developments). On the other hand, 100% of muslim countries have muslim rulers. However, the number of muslim countries is much higher than the number of hindu countries (a paltry 1 - and that too in the past!). India, which has the world's largest concentration of hindus (technically secular) has regularly had muslim / sikh / christian presidents and prime ministers. Now, compare that with the other two secular countires in the world (I just cannot bring myself to compare this great country with the tinpot regimes in the muslim world). US has never had a single non-christian, non-white, non-male president / VP / director CIA (to boot). In fact, except JFK, US never even had a catholic as president either. Turkey, the third secular country in the world actually fares better. Although all its heads of state have been muslim, it did have a woman prime minister in Tansu Ciller. So, on this evidence, India is the most tolerant nation in the world! I saw somewhere "3.5% of hindus are intolerant". Without going into accuracy of this assertion, I'd like to say that as against that, by the same token, more than 15% of muslims, more than 30% of christians must be intolerant bigots. Though what worries me most is, there is a new breed of hardcore extremists emerging these days; they go under the sobriquet "the secular fundamentalist"
Very candid! I am against comparing India with Pakistan or Saudi essentially because I do not consider them as good models, worth comparing with ours. We should look up to better systems & not compare ourselves with god forbidden silly systems.
USA never had a non-Christian, non-female President. Let me proudly declare that we Indians are politically more matured than the US!
Every religon has a percentage of bigots. They are in Hindus, Muslims, Christian & so on. And bigots must be called as bigots! That is the real test of secular society.
Criticising bigots of another religion & shutting your mouth on bigots of own religion is hipocricy.
It is better to be a secular fundamentalist (if there exists any) than to be a religious fundamentalist!
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by V H on Oct 06, 2007 11:20 PM Permalink
Secular fundamentalists.. exists in the form of Marxism, that is responsible for more than 100 million deaths around the world. Its been in action in the form of naxalites in india. hmmm common sense and logic is missed by most indians
You look like an Indian! I am not here for defending Marxists. But please count how many people were killed by Hindus, Muslims & Christians in the name of religion before pointing finger to Marxists.
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by V H on Oct 07, 2007 03:52 AM Permalink
You are the smart ass, tell us all how many.. Hindus at the most would have killed few thousands. How many died under muslim rule and the partition could be easily in millions Christian rule may be millions(portugue inquistion)
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by cooldude on Oct 06, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
the tone used by mr.Prabhanjan Butshikan in his posts somehow give me a feeling that he is a muslim using a hindu name on this board. this statement clearly proves this:
"J&K has Muslim majority. Still it had a Hindu King! But that rascal refused to merge with India. Muslim Shaikh Abdulla was demanding merger with India & the Hindu king was not willing. With that experience, why should Kashmiris have a Hindu CM? For gaddari?"
anyways, i dont care about who he is, but, all his opinions are biased towards the muslims. you need to grow up in a muslim dominated city to know what the muslims are upto. i am from hyderabad and i know what happens there in reality.
for any citizen, it should be country first, then state or city and then religion. but, in the case of muslims, its always religion(qaum) first, mohalla next and country comes in the very end of the chain.
vedanti is a one off sadhu who issued a fatwa. otherwise, have u ever heard of any other sadhu or someone issuing a fatwa ever before? on the other hand, we can see every other mullah or muslim leader issuing some fatwa or the other against someone or the other every other day. the tragedy is no one ever questions these fatwas.
some mullah sitting in calcutta issues a fatwa against tasleema nasreen. what did our so called "SECULAR GOVERNMENTS" in west bengal and the center do? any actions?
You think you can smell somebody's religion. Good idea, but your nose is faulty. You get wrong smells & incorrect inferences.
You think for any citizen country comes first & then religion (Muslims are an exception according to you). Go back to history & you will get a long list of traitors who sold the country for paltry sums. They were all Hindus. Remember the battles we lost, invariably some Hindu took money & turned away from battle field. It was Hindus who invited Gazanis & Ghories to attack on this land!
Integrity & national pride are not gifts monopolized by a community. Traitors are in every society. Everybodies shit stinks. If you believe that Hindu shit doen't, then your god save you!
If govts are hesitating to act against Mullhas declaring fatwas against Taslima Nasreen, please kick on there asses! But remember, when the Jat-panchayants of Hindus pass on capital punishments on young boys & girls for inter-caste marriage, tell your govts to stop those fatwas too!
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by V H on Oct 06, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
Yes hindus sold this nation for paltry sum in the past.. fast forward to future.. hindus still continue to do it today by handing over everything to a white lady who has slightest idea about anything. And that party of Hindus is called Congress... to which you attach your affiniity with
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by Prabhanjan Butshikan on Oct 06, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
No bigger nonsense than this! Not even Congress enemies will call it a party of Hindus. You know better which is the party of Hindus. Bother about them.
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by V H on Oct 07, 2007 03:55 AM Permalink
Nonsense? If Congress is not filled with Hindus, who apparently are the majority in India, what does it say about state of Hindus in a democracy? Where does your equal repsenstation login go? You talk with twisted tongue
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by Prabhanjan Butshikan on Oct 06, 2007 09:02 PM Permalink
Accepted. Its a recent development. But Hindu Nepal did not have any Muslim PM. Thats the point.
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by Swaran Singh on Oct 06, 2007 09:07 PM Permalink
6.Nepal is a nation of Hindus so is India and if you keep on provoking them, Very soon you will see the results a Hindu Rashtra. You take their democratic difference of opinion as lack of their unity but it is not true. 7. Vedanti is an Isolated case of stupidity. And DAra Singh a bloody barbarian. I appeal to the Parliament of India to amend the retribution and put him in front of a firing squad. Millions of Indians will join to shoot him and avenge the murder of Timothy and Mathew. 8. Hari singh was attacked by Pakistan which Indian forces stopped at LOC but Sheikh Abdullah never wanted to Join India. He wanted to be PM of Kashmir a separate country so Nehru put him behind bars and installed Bakshi Gulam Muhammed. And Mind it frontiers of India are the frontiers of Kashmir......Not an inch will be given away. Come whosoever we have to develop strength of mind to face these bloody terrorists. Lahu mangti hai zameen e watan....
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by Prabhanjan Butshikan on Oct 06, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
We know how strong was Nepal as a Hindu Rashtra. If India becomes a Hindu Rashtra, it will be as strong as Nepal. But I bet India is not destined to be a Hindu Rastra. We will not allow it to happen!
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by Swaran Singh on Oct 06, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
Prabhanjan Sir, Who we? You and many more. Dont underestimate Hindus. I am least inclined to make a Hindu Rashtra but it is not Impossible. Terrorists, Congress Party, Karuna nidhi and Mulayam Singh and any desparate upcoming politicians can make India a Hindu Rashtra. As far as Nepal is concerned, It is developing in terms of military power and Economy. Dont underestimate them. Nepalis are the warriors and the strength of a nation lies in the dignity and minds of its subjects.
1) First make pakistan and saudi arabia secular countries and then talk of secularism in India We are not residents of Saudi or Pakistan, so we do not decide their systems. If somebody is moving around naked, we do not want to copy them by using such baseless logic.
2) There are nearly 52 Muslim countries. In medieval period, the every society wanted to capture more territory. The brave & intelligent succeeded. Muslims, British, French, Portuguese & Dutch conquered newer lands. Hindus did not have the capability to do so. They were so weak that they could not protect their own land! This is no fault of Muslims.
3) Show one Muslim country which provides Haj subsidy. Please stop it immediately. But also stop the financialassistance given for Mans Sarovar yatra. Also stop the huge state expenses on Amarnath yatra.
4) Show one Muslim country where Hindus are given special rights that Muslims are accorded in India? There are no special rights given to Indian Muslims. If there is one, please spell out. Lies, even when told aloud, remain lies!
5) Show one country where the 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the 15% minority. If this is true, then I must say that the 85% majority is absolutely Nalayak. How can you blame minority for the nalayaki of majority?
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by Deepak MA on Oct 06, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
Point 4: Have you heard of Haj Subsidy?? Have you heard of reservations for religious minorities??
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by Prabhanjan Butshikan on Oct 06, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
Point on Haj subsidy is separately answered. See that.
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by V H on Oct 07, 2007 04:10 AM Permalink
Yes blame the 85% majority. Thats the point of BJP. This 85% is nalayak. Hence the other 15% is able to manipulate indian democracy. Thats what BJP is saying, screw castism, which congress is partronising to take advantage of fools in 85% majority. Because the 3.5% of Hindus brings out this same issue, you want to call them intolerant!!
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by Swaran Singh on Oct 06, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
Mr. Prabhanjan Butshikan, 1. You are twisting the logic. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are dictatorships and their money and fanatic terrorism is fueling the killing machine of terror in India. 2. What medieval period? I am afraid you do not know any history of medieval ages. Hindu kindom was upto the frontiers of Iran. In 700 AD when Arabs conquered Sind they got a good taste of battle by the then King of Sind Rajah Dahir. The barbarian Islamic Invaders lost thousands of men before a victory after a struggle of 25 years. 3. India is a nation of Hindus and a subsidy and protection to the Pilgrims must be continued. 4. I agree with you that muslims are at no fault if Congress; Mulayam Singh or Mk karunanidhi is giving them false dreams for votes. 5. 85 percent is not nalayak but its democratic and generous and that comes from the philosohy of Vedas and tolerence and peacefull himdu religion. You are absolutely biased in your views. Have some strength of mind. You may become the victim of a terrorist attack. We are all at risk.
RE:karnataka politics
by Swaran Singh on Oct 06, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
Let us not wish so but if it happens, there will be lessons to learn. Thats why we should not fall into US trap of procuring nuclear fuel without Nuclear weapons.
muslims may be a minority and as an majority hindus should protect the rights of minorites....thats ok....by the same logic hindus are an minority in world community....christians and muslims being the majority should protect the rights of hindus anywhere in the world.....hindus can never be termed as majority as also muslims can never be termed as minority.....so going by the same logic of majority- minority politics, the minority hindus rights should be protected foremost than majority muslims or christians....
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by Swaran Singh on Oct 06, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
Kalyan jee, Dont get into this minority/majority issue. Let us become one global community without ill feelings towards each others. However those in power will always have advantage. Hindu muslim sikh Isai...................
IT is very interesting watch, what will happen as BJP-JDS match finished one sided. After playing their innings Dev-Goda's cleverly left. Now looking to play with other team. ICC ( Indian Citizens Club ) should give them the honor, with one ticket two games.
Why are the "bhakts" running around like headless p*gs when BJP is getting a taste of its own medicine? Doesn't it know that we should never do to others what we do not wish for ourselves, because our actions might come back to haunt us?
RE:BJP gets a taste of own medicine!
by Shekar Rao on Oct 06, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
A taste of their own medicine? You Cong stooge, in case you didn't know, the BJP has not gone and done this to any other scumbag party in this country. So keep your mouth shut, and get back under your rock where you belong.
