Please note that the exhbition AURANGZEB AS HE WAS ACCORDING MOGHOL RECORDS, will be shown in Pune from 9th Oct -to 24th Oct- in Kaal Dallan - Bal Gandharva, Rang Mandir and from 16th Nov-30th Nov- Yeshwantrao Chavan Auditorium, Kothrud. Please notify your friends in Pune. Below an article written for Rediff on a future exhibition on Balinese Hindus and a piece in Indian Express on FACT's future museum of (real) Indian History Best Francois Gautier 41 Jorbagh, New Delhi 110003 tel (91-11 24649635)/ (91) 9343538419
Citing the example of Mr Baba of shirdi.He was a religious devout, praying five times a day and following other pillars of islam.Always reciting Allah Malik Hai. You guys dont think the fact and divert your brains by corrupting the real things. You dont pray whom he used to pray. It was through his prayers that he got those amazing powers of cure, like many real babas get.You guys pick one of them and make them your god. There is one cigratte baba in gujrat, it was shown in one of the news channel, few mlas and mps were offering him cigrattes and praying before him.This is insane.Please change your self. God has given you this gift of brain to learn and think.Dont block your heart and mind, open them, study the realities, think and then decide.Your ancestors prayed brahma and his wife saraswati, in reality they are prophet abraham and his wife sarah..to be honest they are just one of the thousands prophets who came to his world for the betterment of humanity.you cant pray a prophet,not even prophet mohammed, you can only pray their creator.I request you friends not to enjoin in sin, you are not illetrate like your ancestors.You have internet and wide varitey of books, read gita, ramayan, vedas, upanishads and relate them to the holy book of zorastrians jews christians muslims n all those, who pray the lord whom prophet abraham used to pray!!!!
RE:One True Incidents!!
by silenzer on Oct 07, 2007 12:53 PM Permalink
Aceventura here are the sample verses for u... Quran 8.12: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. 9.05: when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) 47.04: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
9.123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
RE:RE:RE:One True Incidents!!
by Ali boy on Oct 07, 2007 01:10 PM Permalink
I Think you copying it from the christan website...good job..atleast you will learn something about the true creator
RE:One True Incidents!!
by silenzer on Oct 07, 2007 12:52 PM Permalink
Before going overboard, read Sai baba's works. It talks in great detail abt Advaita. No killing of pagans, no looting, and no distribution of war booty... okay mate!
RE:RE:One True Incidents!!
by rama kumar on Oct 07, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
You could have told GOD will for give you. When you say that ur equidistant to religion, then why do not islam say do not harm any living being. You say should not harm women and childern, does this logicialy mean that harm MEN. Just because they may say no to you. In any manner you prove to harm the creation of the creator. Why you are sick and mad of ISLAM. Change you attitude.
RE:One True Incidents!!
by Ritesh on Oct 07, 2007 01:12 PM Permalink
No need to relate one thing to another. All these books preaches what we already know - goodness of heart, helping the weak, belief in act (n not the result). However what we do? We hail the book but forget its preaching. We hail the characters of the book but we forget what they stood for. We constantly live in the past. What does it matter to me if some one was abraham or brahma? How these books can help in discovering my potential and help in leading a good life is what is important.
I m not as learned as u seem to be. But what i can grasp is that god didn't invent us we invented god - to solace our grieving hearts, to be on right course when our mind is distressed. More than that god has no role to play. N in my opinion he should not be granted more space where he weighs down so heavily on our mind that we forget everything else. Then we become merely a stooge who has no free will. And in my opinion we already have become one. Thats why slightest provocation is enough to jolt our faith and we are ready with bow and sickles to assert our faith.
RE:One True Incidents!!
by Dalip Rajpoot on Oct 07, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
True but u also need to know what is real islam. read some real muslim saints like Baba Bulleh Shah throughly and u will come to know that they were against present islam. He writes, Na main pooja path hi kitti nah main ganga nahaya Na main panj namazan parhiyian nah tasba khardkaya Na main theehoon rozay rakhay nah main chilla kamaya Bulleh Shah noh MURSHID millya onnay aiwain hi ja bakshwaya.
Please note that the exhbition AURANGZEB AS HE WAS ACCORDING MOGHOL RECORDS, will be shown in Pune from 9th Oct -to 24th Oct- in Kaal Dallan - Bal Gandharva, Rang Mandir and from 16th Nov-30th Nov- Yeshwantrao Chavan Auditorium, Kothrud. Please notify your friends in Pune. Below an article written for Rediff on a future exhibition on Balinese Hindus and a piece in Indian Express on FACT's future museum of (real) Indian History Best Francois Gautier 41 Jorbagh, New Delhi 110003 tel (91-11 24649635)/ (91) 9343538419
Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
Rediff community stop this blame game. You are only playing into the hands of terrorists. Hatred will only evoke hatred.
We are being biased by the lopsided definition of terrorism. Terrorism is not just what so called jihadis are perpetrating. It also includes victimization, isolation and terrorizing minds of other creatures. Question thus arises, Are we any better? We should first set our own house in order before we go on blaming other ppl. Ppl from lower castes are torched and castigated and we sit mum. Do we blame the whole hindu community? Do we blame ourselves? NO.
One must remember that terrorists are not born they are made into one. All this hatred and malice will only accentuate the problem.
I see in present time, religion is coloring our identity instead of what we are. Our mind is prejudiced and numbed. Only when we (all) restrict religion to private domain can be hope to be called a secular country. Until then we keep seeing more of congress minority appeasements, BJPs hindutva facade, and caste based politics.
All those found guilty on charges of terrorism, rioting should be hanged without much dilly-dallying. All those issuing fatwas and likes of togadias, bajrang dal should be given life imprisonment. No mercy to those who vitiate the lives of WE common ppl.
RE:Indian flag need both saffron and green to exist with white
by silenzer on Oct 07, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
Hey mozie, we know you are hiding behind a Hindu name...Ur Al taqiya tactic will never work here. People should know how barbaric islam is.
RE:Indian flag need both saffron and green to exist with white
by Ritesh on Oct 07, 2007 12:45 PM Permalink
I don't play hide n seek. I m what I am. Perhaps its you who shud revel your true name.
Just as I said ppl while pointing one finger to other forget that rest of theirs are pointing back at them!
RE:Indian flag need both saffron and green to exist with white
by silenzer on Oct 07, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
al taqiya al taqiya...Do u know Muhammad was a pedophile; Do u know he married his own daughter-in-law? Yes his own son's wife!! Sick n disgusting....
Please note that the exhbition AURANGZEB AS HE WAS ACCORDING MOGHOL RECORDS, will be shown in Pune from 9th Oct -to 24th Oct- in Kaal Dallan - Bal Gandharva, Rang Mandir and from 16th Nov-30th Nov- Yeshwantrao Chavan Auditorium, Kothrud. Please notify your friends in Pune. Below an article written for Rediff on a future exhibition on Balinese Hindus and a piece in Indian Express on FACT's future museum of (real) Indian History Best Francois Gautier 41 Jorbagh, New Delhi 110003 tel (91-11 24649635)/ (91) 9343538419
Is it not the biggest terrorism to question the integrity of the other religion??? Whats terrorism for you? just killing people? then well mister there have been bigger acts of terrorism by many "fanatics"!!!!
Have some sense and speak man...try being tolerating and understand there is no religion that preaches killing people!
Do u even know that its clearly written in the Qur'an to respect all other religions?
And if some bunch of idiots are outthere it, then whats the difference between u and them?
I Am a muslim myself and i have friends and dear friends from all walks of faith. I dont think the way Osama does, i despise that and deny he is right, he is totally wrong. They are people who are doing such things in the name of religion, it is because they are not strong without masking their acts with religion. Understand THAT.
Should we go ahead and blame sikhism for the killing in Canada? Should the hindus be blamed for the 1984 riots? No I as an educated person do not find it reasonable to blame an entire religion because of a few ignorant fools who committed crime. Arent u educated and aware to think like a sane person?
RE:To All Muslim Haters!!
by Talisman on Oct 07, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
My observation is, we Indians are tolerant of other religions. However, when we see these radicals targetting innocent people and do henious crimes, some people over-react.
Like you, I have many friends in india that are muslim and when I visit Sabari Malai, we worship Babar Swami, who is considered a friend of Swami Ayyappa. The traiditon is, the Babar temple is serviced by Musim friends.
However, even among my friends, I have seen remarkable differences between educated muslims and others who work on their family business and hence their life revolved around their home and the street where they are born and lacked the exposure of the larger outside world.
While the former beleived in equal respect for all religions, some among the latter had a narrower view of other religions and their worship places. So, I believe education and opportunities are key to progress not only among muslims, but also among people from all walks of life and religions.
As an indian, I am not sure, why you even bother bringing out the names of those mongrels that preach hatred in the name of religion or even feel the need to compare your beliefs with them.
Proud to be born in this country. The next 50 years is going to see phenominal growth of india.
RE:To All Muslim Haters!!
by silenzer on Oct 07, 2007 12:36 PM Permalink
OK dude have u read Quran? If not go through Yusufali's translation--the most respected throuout the world..
Quran 8.12: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. 9.05: when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) 47.04: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
9.123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
RE:To All Muslim Haters!!
by Ali boy on Oct 07, 2007 12:48 PM Permalink
out of context my dear....nothing will you benifit neither any from your intentions.
RE:To All Muslim Haters!!
by s b on Oct 07, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
I would love to agree with you, you are a nice aND LEARNED MAN, but I cannot. Because you are not right. Why: 1. Hindus should be blamed for 1984 riots because Hindus killed Sikhs. I am a hindu but no point denying that. Muslims did not go on killing sikhs. Hindus killed sikhs because hindus were Hindus and sikhs were sikhs. 2. By same token I cannot blame Hindus for LTTE terror, because they are not fighting for hinduism but Tamil culture (culture issue, not Hindu issue). 3. In Islam, most acts of terror are in NAME of Islam so Islam (or interpretation of Islam) is to be blamed. This includes Al Qaida, Kashmir and even Palestinian issue (see it is not just freedom issue, PLO and Fatah create murderers by invoking hatred of judaism - hence religion is a part. It is just like if Indians were to fight for freedom from British because they hated Christianity or wanted Hindu state. Similarily Pakistan freedom was Islamic movement (terrorism) as they wanted freedom of a religion, but not India. 4. Your statement "biggest terrorism to question the integrity of the other religion" refelcts the problem of Islam. Others value humanity more than religious beliefs, but not Islam. For you questioning Islam is bigger terrorism than killing people. Civilized people like me reject this stupid theory. 5. If you do not believe in Osama, maybe you are not a true muslim, as it is clearly written in Quran that a true muslim should convert non-muslims and establish Islam world over.
RE:RE:To All Muslim Haters!!
by Ali boy on Oct 07, 2007 12:50 PM Permalink
You have very little knowledge of abrahmanic faiths.You should learn more about the cursades,the temple of david and what hinduism means to a christian or a jew.you need to do bit of fact finding.
RE:RE:To All Muslim Haters!!
by aceventura on Oct 07, 2007 12:49 PM Permalink
BIG DEAL IS MADE ABOUT THE FACT THAT HINDUS CONVERTED TO MUSLIMS IN INDIA IN MIDDLE AGES.
IF YOU ARE AN UNEDUCATED IDIOT, AND I TEACH YOU ABC, YOU CONVERT TO BEING SOMETHING SUPERIOR. AND SAME THING HAPPENED WHEN HINDUS CONVERTED TO ISLAM, THEY BECAME BETTER HUMANS AND FOUND THE TRUTH.
CONVERTING TO SOMETHING INFINITELY BETTER IS PROGRESS
RE:To All Muslim Haters!!
by Virgo on Oct 07, 2007 01:39 PM Permalink
Ismael Bro,
I have said it before that I do believe that you are a very honorable and good Muslim and a good fellow citizen of India. I also believe that many muslims are peaceful people.
However, either you have not read the Islamic scriptures well or you just want to bury your head in sand. Please go back and read your scriptures. There indeed are many verses and descriptions in the Quran/Hadith/sunnah that do preach violence, bigotry and intolerance. I am not saying this out of any hatred, but only based on unbiased study of the Islamic scriptures.
The Quran does claim that there is no true religion but Islam. That is not respect and acceptance of other religions.
Please do read your scriptures in its entirety in an unbiased mind. Just listening to the mullahs is not enough.
Ignorant hindu hates Islam, but their hindu guru, Shankaracharya have great respects for Islam. ITS TIME FOR EDUCATED HINDU BROTHER TO UNDERSTAND THE FACT FROM THEIR RELEGIOUS GURU. Please refer to following video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zasuy9FBA
RE:Shankaracharya Speaks about Islam!!
by silenzer on Oct 07, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
Shankaracharya probably has not gone through Quran n hadees. If he has then he is trying to act like a pseudo secularist... Time has come when the whole world is standing up against Islam
