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Voiceless!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:26 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Could you please tell me whose son or daughter was killed by the pregnant lady whose foetus was butchered before killing her?

You said "Lakhs of Kashmiri pandit's are thrown out from their homes in the past 10 years fro kashmir". Millions of Hindus are made refugee in their own land due to projects like Narmada Dam; they never stay in multi-storied buildings in Delhi like most of the rich Kashmiri "refugees", but rot in slums of Jabalpur, shot at by police for shitting in the roads of Delhi. Why don't you talk about those Hindus?

Because these displaced people are voiceless Dalits! Who were the ones brought from rural districts by Modi to conduct the genocide and even bear the police bullets, whereas the middle and upper middle class people roamed freely to "pick up" stuff from shops, dump into their cars and when then their cars were packed, sms their relatives about prospective loot-zones in the city.


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RE:Voiceless!!
by coolgaram on Nov 07, 2007 06:36 PM  Permalink
See the "Dalit Minded" people among yourself Ismail. Sleep with your rapist and take "Father-i-law" as husband & desert "Husband" - this is "dalitness" at worst and root cause of all problems - evil starts from such people.

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RE:Voiceless!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:38 PM  Permalink
Try to get my point with a neutral mind please.

A terror act is never justifiable. Doesn't matter on which religion's name it is being done.
Please don't justify the terror attack done on the innocents.


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RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by Abbas Rescued on Nov 07, 2007 06:37 PM  Permalink
Dude.. dont shed crocodile tears for Dalits... You seem to have learnt the trick to bring in caste logic whenever you finally endup loosing on arguing straight on the violence and terror acts done by your mates...

Have you seen Muslim beggers all over near almost all mosques... Why dont you talk about them and worry about improving their lives rather than talking about the dead in Gujarat?

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RE:RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:39 PM  Permalink
Pls dont justify violence. Modi was an elected CM and was responsible for protection of everyone but he himself supported rioters to kill people. I agree that the Godhra incident was tragic but that was done by a group of mad people. You cant relate these 2 incidents and say Gujarat riots were fine bcoz muslims burnt kar sevaks.

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RE:Voiceless!!
by Sisir Patnaik on Nov 07, 2007 07:27 PM  Permalink
Don't talk like a terrorist Mr Abhinav. I am ashamed to know that you are a Hindu. Modi is the worst representative of any Hindu.

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RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:44 PM  Permalink
But how come the sicko RSS and VHP morons are justying this?
we have a state and let them hang the people who burnt innocent hindus?
why take law into your own hands and kill 2000 muslims?


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RE:Voiceless!!
by chetan manral on Nov 07, 2007 06:44 PM  Permalink
but wasnt it a riot..people died at both ends..i mean thats how the riots are..both parites suffer losses..???

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RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:43 PM  Permalink
For your kind information,According to Nanavati report which was independently formed,Godhra Incident was an accident.
Godhra Carnage is inconclusive..
If anyone is behind it,why those people are not arrested..
Godhra Burning was an accident..
Got it.
Have u witnessed the Riots..
But i have seen the Riots with my open eyes..
Mob of 100 people used to attack muslims & rape their women.


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RE:RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by chetan manral on Nov 07, 2007 06:47 PM  Permalink
"used to attack muslims and rape them"..how many times they did it..!!??

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RE:Voiceless!!
by Abbas Rescued on Nov 07, 2007 06:50 PM  Permalink
"Even Shuravardi was elected governor of Bengal... But he blindly witnessed killing of thousands of Hindus by Muslims in Bengal just before the partition happened.. Have you seen Gandhi movie? That is not a fiction.. So how long would you continue defending the atrocities committed by Muslims on the original natives of this land?"

---- I wanted to say this ----

However being a Hindu, the ever tolerant, I am happy that you at least admitted that Muslims burnt Karsevaks.. I would like to stop my arguments with you now... Thank you..

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Some facts about Modi govt's actions...
by SSCD on Nov 07, 2007 06:23 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

"The Hindu", the leading-most South India daily reported on 1st March 2002 : "The Chief Minister Modi frantically asked for the Army units to be called in." On 2nd March 2002 'The Hindu' reported : "Unlike February 28 when one community was entirely at the receiving end, the minority backlash on 1st March has further worsened the situation .......... and the Army staged a flag march in Ahemedabad on 1 st March 2002 at 9.00 A.M."
Fact 1: That SHOOT AT SIGHT ORDERS had been given by the Government on 28th itself.
Fact 2: On the 28th February itself 10 Hindus had been shot dead and 16 Hindus had been wounded by POLICE BULLETS.
Fact 3: On the next day i.e., 1st March an additional 24 Hindus were shot dead and 40 Hindus wounded by POLICE BULLETS.
Fact 4: In the entire period of riots total Hindu casualties were 80 shot dead, and 207 wounded by POLICE BULLETS alone.
Fact 5: The Muslim counter attack which commenced from 1st March 2002 was no less ferocious. In the first three days alone, out of a total of 611 deaths, 101 were caused by POLICE FIRING. Of these, 61 were Hindus and 40 were Muslims.
Fact 6: As on 5th of March, as many as 40,000 Hindus had had to be given shelter in Relief Camps.
Fact 7: In answer to the Parliament questions, the UPA Home Minister gave the figures of casualties during Gujarat riots. There were Muslims killed 790, Hindus killed 254, wounded 2500 in all missing 223.


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RE:Some facts about Modi govt's actions...
by SSCD on Nov 07, 2007 06:27 PM  Permalink
The Delhi-based media made out as though the whole of Gujarat was in flames. It concealed the fact that out of 18,600 villages, 240 Municipal towns and 25 Districts, the number of locations that were affected by riots was just 60. Not a single man-day was lost in the 200 odd Industrial townships by any Industry in Gujarat because of the riots. The examinations in Schools, Colleges and Universities were conducted as per schedule during the period of riots.

Bottomline, this serves as irrefutable confirmation that it was a Communal RIOT and not a GENOCIDE or POGROM, and it also came from the verdicts of Courts in POST-GODHRA riots cases:

(i) Deccan Herald reported on May 2004: Conviction of 3 confessing Muslims for 7 years for attempted murder.

(ii) Indian Express dated 19.03.2006 reported: 7 Muslims convicted for life for the murder of Mukesh Panchaal.

(iii) Indian Express dated 29.03.2006 reported: 9 Muslims convicted for attempted murder and Arms Act with sentences ranging from 10 years to 18 months.

(iv) Indian Express dated 19.05.2006 reported: 4 Muslims nailed by DNA tests and convicted for LIFE.

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RE:Some facts about Modi govt's actions...
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:40 PM  Permalink
Pls dont justify violence. Modi was an elected CM and was responsible for protection of everyone but he himself supported rioters to kill people. I agree that the Godhra incident was tragic but that was done by a group of mad people. You cant relate these 2 incidents and say Gujarat riots were fine bcoz muslims burnt kar sevaks.

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RE:Some facts about Modi govt's actions...
by SSCD on Nov 07, 2007 07:06 PM  Permalink
All the facts are saying is, it was a spontaneous outburst/communal riot, not a pogrom or a planned genocide sponsored by Modi govt. (which is what the Tahelka sting is hell-bent on "proving")

Yes, it was a communal riot and needs to be decreed, but then who started it in the first place?

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lets not forget..we are indian first
by chetan manral on Nov 07, 2007 06:18 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

lets not forget that we have the fortune of living in a secular,republic and democratic country..not many countries allow that and maybe thats one reason with such diverse culture our economy is among the top five in the world..we live like a family and in a family there are fudes but that doesnt means that the family falls apart..they are internally resolved,we dont wash our dirt linen in public..few miscreants in and outside the country envy us for that and every chance they get ..they try to add fuel to the fire..10 years ago this expose would have caused riots and lots of loss of life and property..but we as indians are more educated and reponsible now and this kind of attempts to instigate violence are falling flat ,frustrating the ppl who wants to disrupt communal harmony..if they didnt got what they want through a expose..now they are following it up with articles,but its good to see that our country have started to look beyond them and get manipulated by them..i am proud of my country and my fellow countrymen..this forum has changed me as a person and educated me, and thought me to forgive and forget


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RE:lets not forget..we are indian first
by chetan manral on Nov 07, 2007 06:24 PM  Permalink
i dont understand..i am talking progressively and you have put up such a anti hindu remark on my post..i didnt said anything about conversion of hindu's..if you feel strongly about it kindly put it up as a separate post..otherwise the context i have written here under will take a different direction for discussion.. i am sorry to hurt your feeling but i would not prefer this as a reply to my post, i hope u understand

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RE:lets not forget..we are indian first
by Kamal Prabha on Nov 07, 2007 07:39 PM  Permalink
About boasting or bragging,we did have an examplein Bofors/Tehelka episode. Do you remember a person called Jain of Janata Dal who claimed to be an office bearer and what all that he had claimed? Just to elicit the info.one wants to collect, various methods are used.Remember using of call girls, prostitutes and alcohol in Bofors/Tehelca and it was questioned? Here also as reported the reporter of Tehelka "becomes" a VHP/BJP activist to gain confidence of those other activist members of the group and once he gained confidence it would not have been difficult to make those party activists to brag/boast since we do not know what the reporter had said or done to get the boast or make them brag just to gain importance. It was reported then that lot of petrol cans were being carried from the nearby petrol station. All said and done just like the incident the timing of the scoop was illtimed and wrong.

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RE:lets not forget..we are indian first
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:31 PM  Permalink
True. Modi decided to go after innocent people rather than the culprits who killed those poor Kar sevaks.



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Timing. Motive doesn't matter
by Utkal Mohanty on Nov 07, 2007 06:14 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

How does it matter why now, and what is their motive? The only point we should bother is about whether the tapes are authentic, and what can we infer from it. And how we should react to th etruth contained in it. WE should note that neither Modi, nor anyone else in BJP, nor journalists like Chandan Mitra have questione the authenticity of the tapes. The most that Chndan could think of is that ' They maybe boasting." Can you imagine what kind of people will boast of burning peole alive, or knifing a pregant woman! They form the high echelons of Bjarang Dal and BJP. And no top BJP leaders have made no comments on this 'boasting'. Perfectly acceptable to venerable Adavaniji and Atalji. We as members of civil society should take note. That's all. The rstis up to our conscience.

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Tehelka sting: A Sting in the tail of Mass Media
by Uday Sharma on Nov 07, 2007 06:07 PM  Permalink 

Mr Mahesh Peri is pained when media credibility is questioned and he tries to take moral high ground to shame the questioning party. But this has to happen one day and someone is bound to question media duplicity one day. It happens to be Chandan Mitra this time and he is the right person since he knows the media games from inside. Thanks Chandan Mitra for exposing the questionable standards of our media (both print as well as visual).

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RE:eye witness account of Godhra carnage..............
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:29 PM  Permalink
True. Modi decided to go after innocent people rather than the culprits who killed those poor Kar sevaks.



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Is my maths correct?
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:06 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

for argument sake let us say muslims burnt the passengers,
Now 2000 muslims killed for 40 hindus
so the calucluation is = 2000*(2000/40) should be now killed
Is my maths correct?
No sensbile human being would say yes..
But how come the sicko RSS and VHP morons are justying this?
we have a state and let them hang the people who burnt innocent hindus?
why take law into your own hands and kill 2000 muslims?


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RE:Is my maths correct?
by gaurav ambasta on Nov 07, 2007 06:21 PM  Permalink
Home Ministry said it is around 750 muslims and around 250 hindus.(Congress Minister)

Riots are riots and both communities suffer. The secularists play on the ummah victimhood that gains currency among muslims very soon. Thus they are made to believe that they are suffering everywhere.

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RE:Is my maths correct?
by Vikram on Nov 07, 2007 06:19 PM  Permalink


Hindu genocide is the least highlihgted in the world.
80 million hindus were killed by muslim kings from 1100 to 1800 AD .

10,00,000 hindus , sikhs were killed by indian muslims in 1947 during partition.
3,00,000 hindus from Bengal were killed by muslims in 1971 .

Ban practice of other 2 middle east religions in hindustan.


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RE:RE:Is my maths correct?
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:24 PM  Permalink
Please for heavens sake, some one
tell the time when this so called "killing" of hindus took place in Kashmir.
at what year that happened?
who was the PM at that time?
who was the CM at that time?
is there any commnission set up?
what are its findings?
what BJP did for the 10 years when it ruled the country?
please tell me?
for humanity sake dont kill Hindus just for news sake..
Give an report of any news channel (dont refer to sicko VHP site )
The only thing I am hearing from kashmir, is the killing of muslims both by terrorists as well as by the army.
Nothing else


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RE:RE:RE:Is my maths correct?
by Abbas Rescued on Nov 07, 2007 06:26 PM  Permalink
Can you tell us when Gujarath riots happened? We dont believe such a thing ever happened...

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RE:Is my maths correct?
by Abbas Rescued on Nov 07, 2007 06:18 PM  Permalink
What do you mean for argument sake? Thats the truth buddy... This kind of tough lesson had to be taught to you guys sometime or the other.. Now you see one more Godhra would not happen again... Becuase you know that for every Hindu dies now 50 from your community would give their lives...

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Tehelka!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:03 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Tehelka weekly had claimed to have 'irrefutable' evidence that the killings of Muslims in the post-Godhra train carnage in Gujarat was 'not a spontaneous swell of anger but a genocide' planned and executed by top functionaries of the Sangh Parivar and state authorities 'with the sanction' of Chief Minister Narendra Modi.

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RE:RE:Tehelka!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:08 PM  Permalink
For your kind information,According to Nanavati report which was independently formed,Godhra Incident was an accident.
Godhra Carnage is inconclusive..
If anyone is behind it,why those people are not arrested..
Godhra Burning was an accident..
Got it.
Have u witnessed the Riots..
But i have seen the Riots with my open eyes..
Mob of 100 people used to attack muslims & rape their women.



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RE:Tehelka!!
by hiren patel on Nov 07, 2007 06:14 PM  Permalink
Ismail,
Again you are wrong, As per nanavati report it was not accident. Fire set by muslim of around 1500 confirm by who know I personally. If it like that why they stop ire briget to stop the fire.

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RE:Tehelka!!
by hiren patel on Nov 07, 2007 06:08 PM  Permalink
Ismail,
You are wrong, It was total state public angreeness against the godhra train anncident. I

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RE:Tehelka!!
by Vikram on Nov 07, 2007 06:20 PM  Permalink

Hindu genocide is the least highlihgted in the world.
80 million hindus were killed by muslim kings from 1100 to 1800 AD .

10,00,000 hindus , sikhs were killed by indian muslims in 1947 during partition.
3,00,000 hindus from Bengal were killed by muslims in 1971 .

Ban practice of other 2 middle east religions in hindustan.


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RE:some facts about Godhra........
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:09 PM  Permalink
For your kind information,According to Nanavati report which was independently formed,Godhra Incident was an accident.
Godhra Carnage is inconclusive..
If anyone is behind it,why those people are not arrested..
Godhra Burning was an accident..
Got it.
Have u witnessed the Riots..
But i have seen the Riots with my open eyes..
Mob of 100 people used to attack muslims & rape their women.



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RE:some facts about Godhra........
by hiren patel on Nov 07, 2007 06:05 PM  Permalink
Abhinav,
You are currect.

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