Pkl. Afternoon 1.35pm,Tuesday, 6th Nov. 2007 Well the role Western powers have played in propping Pakistan over its own life since 1947 is well looked by Col. Athwale's visualizations . He is right on dot when he suspects that US policy planners have written the Script both for Begum Benazir and the Generals 's sacking of Supreme Court and and its Justices on Saturday last. Of course, Condy and Bush are making correct sound-bites for democracy, elections and the constitution ,however, they are not likely to censure their Frontline Ally in Middle-East for these minor aberrations...Very tangled are the ways of these unipolar strategists while they talk of great battle of "freedom and Human Rights" while on the actual field they always fraternise with the Tyrants , Despots and Military Usurpers,so long as the vital interests in Oil and their Hegemony are promoted by such mealy mouthed Hypocrisy. The only point Col. Athwale's has missed is the revival of Islamic parties in both Turkey and Algeria ,lately,...That are seeking burying Kamal and Ben Bela's Secularist World -View -D.Goel
Pakistan's president is a great success. He has delivered more than anyone else in the past. That is the problem. He now has to dismount with dignity and only if there is such a need. Else, he has another five years (at least) to push Pakistan further into sustainable prosperity and self-confidence.
RE:We don't know about Mush, but Bush and his imperialism will not survive.
by Vijay alias Teesmar Khan on Nov 06, 2007 01:48 PM Permalink
If Bush goes, Mush will also not survive.
RE:We don't know about Mush, but Bush and his imperialism will not survive.
by SteeveB on Nov 07, 2007 12:02 AM Permalink
I don't think so...democrats are always tilted towards pak and shroud woman like hillary will def use pak to keep check on India.
End of pakistan , end of isalmic teorrist . what can be better new that thsi for rest of world ...let them die among themself insteated of killing other nation people ..
Dr Anil Athale has written a fairly well researched article. Will president Musharraf Succeed? My answer is yes. First off for all the moise and hulabaloo, the people are not out on the streets. Pakistanis haven't had it so good in a very long time. With a per capita income of US$940 per annum. there are a few members of the civil society who are dissatisfied. Second, my prayer is that Pakistan is no longer a conglomeration of ethic identities but a nation finally. Thus there is a Pakistani identity. No one leader has delivered like president Musharraf and hius team.Thirdly, the concept of Pakistan is worth more than democracy. Fourthly, democracy has as many faces as Visvarupa. So no one can claim to have a monopoly on democracy. The best form of democracy is the one that suits the genius of the people. lastly, we in pakistan had hoped we had sedm the last of political turmoils in 1999. We had taken care of the civil service and their claim to fame, we had ensured political adventurists won't reurn to power but we had never expected the supreme Court to aspire to rule the state. With the judgement that the Supreme judicial Council is non ests, it became a power unto itself. Every pillar of the State is accountable. This way the 3 pillars of state retain a balance. Once one pillar becomes more equal that the others, problems begin. This is what happened in pakistan.
The legal fraternity and the entire Sergeant Pepper's Bleeding Hearts Club Band, can scream until they are
RE:Will Musharraf survive and succeed?
by ajay arora on Nov 06, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
What Happens to Mush after Bush bows out of office is the million dollar qustion ?? If American policy change and take a hardline on democracy ...as America sees it then Mush will soon be six feet under the ground or a political refugee in Saudia
RE:Will Musharraf survive and succeed?
by Attract Ivist on Nov 06, 2007 01:39 PM Permalink
Shocking arguments!! I thought anybody with little bit of common sense would be hesitant to justify Musharaf's action in such explicit terms. Way to go friend.
RE:Will Musharraf survive and succeed?
by nirad mehta on Nov 06, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
Firstly - from what one sees and hears, lawyers seem to be out on streets, and when the CJ was removed the first time, WHOLE LOT of people seemed to be out on streets! Per capita income? Pakistan was an economic disaster, on brink of bankruptcy, till 9/11 happened and US Aid bailed it out just in the nick of time. That per capita income reflects western donations/charity - not any inherent economic strength. Secondly, your prayer is that pakistan has a national identity - I do hope that the prayer is granted by god almighty - it certainly is not ground reality. The problem lies in the basis of creation of pakistan. Religion can not be the basis for a nation state. Thirdly , the concept of Pakistan is worth more than democracy? Well if that is how a common Pakistani feels (which I doubt, because the statment does not make sense), then they deserve a dictator (which they have had for half of their existence as a nation). Fourthly you are right that all pillars of democracy, including the judiciary has to be accountable. But when has the government of Musharraf or the beurocracy been accountable? The military (since in Pakistan that forms THE pillar of anything and everything) has never been accountable and the media has been gagged. So any talk of musharraf justifying his actions because the 'judicial pillar' became 'too big' is not even worth contempt. Pakistan is passing through a very tough time. Lets all pray and hope that it comes out of it with its integrity intact, b
RE:Ramayan
by Cape Comorin on Nov 06, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
Ramayan? For teaching the warefare using bows,arrows and pushbak viman? Sounds dangerous!
RE:Ramayan
by its me on Nov 06, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
it is for value by Shree Ram Sacrifice for others, Courage, Devotion, Good ness for people . he shows the path, how to behave with parenets, Brothers, people, friends, The real democracy. Puspak Viman Shows inclination towards science.
RE:Ramayan
by Cape Comorin on Nov 06, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
You are showing only good things from ramayana covering up the bad ones. Similarly every religious people will do. For you ramayana is a good book for muslims it is koran. Thats all. If you say koran is a false book why not ramayan a false book? If you find defects in koran one can easily find defects in ramayana as well.
RE:Ramayan
by its me on Nov 06, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
You accepted good thing in ramayan. Concentrate on them . Thats give pakis more understanding of human behaviour.
RE:Ramayan
by Vinu on Nov 06, 2007 01:31 PM Permalink
Cape you are right, we should respect others believe too. Thats why in India muslim population is less still they are not week, they can fight. Hindu (as a whole)never come to fight against them, because we understand all are equal and respectable. hope you understand.
RE:Ramayan
by Cape Comorin on Nov 06, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
It is easy to blame others. First let us look at our country. What is the level of human rights we have. How many rioters are punished so far? We are infact happy to make a person indulging anti-human activities as CM.
RE:Ramayan
by nirad mehta on Nov 06, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
Raam, while undoubtedly having several excellent qualities that need to be emulated and imbibed, also had his shades of grey. He might be an example to everyone for the way one should treat parents and brothers, he can be hardly a role model for the way you should treat your wife. (There is no justification for leaving your pregnant wife in the jungle - and not even having the guts to do it yourself - getting your brother to do the dirty job - rather despicable, what!). For those who say that this is Uttar Ramayan and not Valmiki Ramayan, his treatment of Bali was even more despicable! Which warrior can justify shooting someone, who is not even your personal enemy, in the back, from hiding? (After getting confused the first time!) So, lets leave Ram out of it all and certainly lets leave Mandir out>
RE:Ramayan
by Shivkumar Singh on Nov 06, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
Nirad "Read Right Honorable Srinivasa Sastri's Commentaries on Ramayana".
It is not that Rama was pleased doing what he did to Sita. He did that to ensure that the dignity of his position (ruler's) is not compromised (Ceaser's wife should be above suspicion).
On Vali-vad, there are interpretions that say that Raam killed Vali in battle. It must also be remembered that Vali was no saint (As an aside, I wish to add what Upanyasakarthas highlight as the LAW OF KARMA; they say that in subsequent Krishnavatara, Lord is allied with son of Inder, Arjun to kill the son of Surya, Karan. In Ramavatar, lord is a close friend of Sugriv, son of Surya and helps kill son of Indira, Vali). Assuming that Raam attacked from behind let us realise that even God when he manifests himself as a man, does mistakes by the force of situation (Vidhi).
If you look at Raam as a human not God, Raam still was a most remarkable personality who practised truthfullness, was brave and cared for righteousness above sentiment.
RE:Ramayan
by RAMESH MOHTA on Nov 06, 2007 01:00 PM Permalink
If one follow life style stated in Ramayan country will achieve the great height. Now forget about other religious people Hindus are not following Ramayan totally and that is making our sopciety less tolerance. The basic difference in Holy books are can be seen by the histry.
RE:Ramayan
by Rajagopal Nair on Nov 06, 2007 01:17 PM Permalink
Ram is struggling in India to find a place for him. Mandir Wahi Banyega bolke saal beeth gaya hai. But Mandir still remain a dream for Ram. It is also understood that ram had gone to Srilanka to settle there as there is no place in india for him. Phir kya padega ramayan.
RE:Ramayan
by its me on Nov 06, 2007 01:27 PM Permalink
mandir to wahi banega . Aaj nahi to kal. Sethu bhi rhega. Aaj bhi aur kal bhi Ram bhi rahega. Aaj bhi aur kal bhi
you should go to lanka . Shree Ram already clears it from demons for you
RE:RE:Ramayan
by ashish ranjan on Nov 06, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
sir if u want to see ram try seeing him in ur hearts deepest region,otherwise all devils and demons RAVAR had also seen ram, but ram is a feeling ,its a wave its a name for absolute peace and tranquility one has to see him thru his inner eyes.
RE:Ramayan
by Vijay alias Teesmar Khan on Nov 06, 2007 01:53 PM Permalink
Ram lives in everyones heart. He does not need a temple at all. It is we, who need temple to remember him for ever.
mush is hte mmodern day islamic prophet. he sees a huge threat to islam from the decadent west and the hindu kafirs. clealry, islam is in danger as jihadis, the firs line defenders of islam, are getting killed in greater numbers due to kafir conspiracy. mush has seen it thr' the usa's dole and has understood the real kafir design which he no longer will stand for. all htese killed jihadis were mush's friends from yesterday. now, mush has a great plan so that alla's will (which kill the kafirs now, and kill them tommorrow and kill them for next 1000 years) can prevail. mush is angling to become the next khalifa. all secularists will soon hold india wide rally to wish him success.
Say if Pakistan is divided into five nations, Balochistan, Sindh, Wazirstan, PakistanPunjab and NWF.
India can benifit because:
1) India can have friendly ties with Sindh and Balochaistan. Trade etc.
2) India can have better access to MidEast oil via Sindh region.
3) Usual India hating elements in PakistanPunjab and Pak army will have their own conflict with Wazirstan and NWF.
4) Afganistan will influence NWF and keep PakistanPunjab enganged in usual military and terrorist conflicts. This will bleed PakistanPunjab for decades.
5) Kashmir will then naturally cool down.
6) PakistanPunjab islamists may then turn on china, possible chance for India to give China a permanent headache.
7) Might be possible for India to attack and claim back Sindhu valley in future.
Should India, Afganistan and Russia try to divide pakistan? It is certinly possible.
RE:divide pakistan
by keith pavlak on Nov 06, 2007 09:33 AM Permalink
My message to Musharraf: Jab gaa nd mein nahi googa...to kyoon islamabad mein khooda??
RE:RE:divide pakistan
by mohideen basha on Nov 06, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
It is better for Musharaff to go to Hell to facilitate the Poor Pakistanis to find some peace in their lives. He is spending all the aids he receives from the Globe for the Army which is not fit. He is just ruining the Country . It is good for Pakistan to join with India where they can find development in their life.
RE:divide pakistan
by Tarun Khanna on Nov 06, 2007 02:05 PM Permalink
India can also be divide base on language Hindi, Marathi, Assami and Dravidian, East India , Khalistan and Kashmir etc. One thing I want to tell you because of paksitan Indian hindu are united , If Pakistan divide we will also divide near further.
RE:divide pakistan
by Vijay alias Teesmar Khan on Nov 06, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
You are novice about History. Hindus have always been united whether there is any moosalmaan or not. Only since last few centuries there has been division in Hindus, whiich is now bridged upto a good extent. Hindus need no common enemy to be united. Our ideology is good enough for that.
You said "...no change of government in Pakistan has taken place without the American knowledge and support. "
This is purely speculative and your personal opinion. In this case atleast, Rice's repeated calls to Musharaff to shed his military uniform and restire civilian rule confirms Washington's unhappiness with imposition of emergency. You may recall that rediff and other newspapers reported that Musharaff was going to impose emergency and just then Washington brokered a power sharing between him and Bhutto.
RE:Disagree with the author
by Ratnesh Sahay on Nov 06, 2007 04:35 AM Permalink
But then they were not sure that Supreme Court of Pakistan is going to give verdict against Musharraf. In todays situation, it is a remote chance that pakistan can be ruled democratically. Then in that case, what will be America's interest. To have a haywire democratic govt. of no control or Musharraf as a military ruler. Musharraf had been playing a dangerous game and many of his acts are boomeranging on him now. Given the situation, and the army's low morale in Pakistan, one cannot but say that coming days for him and Pakistan is going to be very very dangerous. The whole scenario is dangerous for the entire sub-continent. The most ridiculous part is that of China, who is on agreeable terms just sitting and watching, as if nobody is supposed to know that they are also responsible nation and needs to act for the peace in the region.
