They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
RE:kILL NONBELIVERS
by Digital Crusader on Nov 02, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
For the time being... The God of Israel winning... If you don't believe then go and check the news. I'm betting all my money on The God of Israel.
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?
RE:God approves rape
by Gandhi on Nov 02, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
You are hurting the image of your own religion Imran. Please be more calculative and directive in your words and referrals. At first the salms your wrote look very much Islamic and even if its Biblic. If you authentically know and understand please explain with correct pretext and reference.
RE:God approves rape
by Imran on Nov 02, 2007 12:06 PM Permalink
Dude I don%u2019t follow any religion I want to show u all that all religions are big scams. Pls read the bible and then see which god I%u2019m referring to.
RE:God approves rape
by Imran on Nov 02, 2007 11:40 AM Permalink
The God of the Christians Vijay. I%u2019m quoting directly from the bible let any chrisatian worth his name say these are not from the bible.
RE:God approves rape
by ratnajayant gudavally on Nov 02, 2007 09:10 PM Permalink
Imran, Judaic beliefs...Abraham's beliefs ....Ishmaels beliefs....Isac's beliefs.... these are what are being refereed . God of Ishmaeel is God of Islamists God of Issac is the God of Jews.
Christians believe in Christ like Budhists in Budha. Christ and Budha and such others did not teach in what is being referred from Bible.
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) f a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.
5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".
There is a sustained campaign by the world to attack muslims in any way possible. The media is projecting muslims as though every muslim is a terrorist. As long as such campaigns go on terrorists will become stronger.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Ashok S on Nov 02, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
I agree with you Imran. I have also been involved in Journalism (although I'm not working as one now). Let me give you an example: When cartoons were published in Denmark, there were riots everywhere in the world. When Saddam was hanged there was bandh in Kerala. When US attacked Iraq there were some protests in some parts of India.
Why should Muslims react in India if the events happened elsewhere? If I was a Muslim I would go to Denmark or Iraq. If I was a powerful Muslim I would have gone to war with Denmark. In this way I would have kept the honour of defending Islam as well as projecting Islam as a powerful religion. But now it appears Muslims are peaceful wherever they are controlled properly and vice-versa. For example: take the case of Hyderabad where MIM people almost killed Taslima Nasreen. compare with Indonesia where an Islamic militant was given death sentence. So does it mean Indonesia is projecting Muslims as terrorists? (In fact it is the highest populated Muslim country, right?) But definitely the incidents in Hyderabad will only bring bad impression on Muslims because violence was used on an unarmed woman.
To put my opinions in short: As a Muslim do not practice violence but practice law and take those who insult Islam or Muslims to court (like Dr. Haneef). Then you will see that opinions will change.
RE:RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Imran on Nov 02, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
Sirji muslims are very emotional when it comes to religion and the Christians know that that%u2019s why they try to ignite muslim passions by cartoons etc. The muslims are playing into the hands of the US game hope better sense prevails among muslims.
RE:RE:RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Vijay alias Teesmar Khan on Nov 02, 2007 11:30 AM Permalink
If you are so inclined about Cartoons that some Dennish person made about muhammad, why don't you criticise MF Hussain who has painted many gods and goddesses in nude? How can you justify it. But Do you know Jamia Milliya Islamiya which is fully funded by Govt of India is going to honour him.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by LION on Nov 02, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
Hi Vijay, You seem to be a sensible person man. I agree with you that MF Hussain shall be punished hard for doing insult of Hindu Gods.
For your information, Quran tells us to not to insult or even say anything bad of other gods. And drawing pictures is forbidden in Islam and Prophet Nabi SAW says that 'A Muslim is not a Muslim if he is doing such things what Islam forbids'.
Our Indian Constitution must punish M F Hussain for his act against Hindu Gods.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Imran on Nov 02, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
Dude u Hindus only don%u2019t respect ur God do u think muslims will and for your info I don%u2019t belive in any of the religions. My religion is humanity.
Hindus do respect their Gods to the extent that people say that they are idolators....but it is the love and fear of God that makes them even an ant, leave alone that they respect So called Gods of other religions like Christ and Allah. They respect Dargas even in villages. So try to give respect and take respect but not kill and get killed ....even a muslim by a muslim !!!!
If you are a humanist tell all people to be tolerant but not support one religion and criticize other religions.
You seem to be getting confused in between Judaistic attitude to Palestinian fights. The fight is between Jews and Palestinian Arabic Islamists%u2026.. Not Christianity or Hinduism. Just because Bush is a Christian all Christ's followers and Hindu Modi are not the enemies of Islam....They are fighting killers as politicians who have to protect the interests of their electorates.
There are mosques and Successful Muslims in Christian Countries and Gujarat. Everyone gets what he sows or deserves specially in a Democratic civilization.....not Islamic where interests of Islamic people are honored and others eliminated. Luckily that is not happening in the Democratic or Christian, Hindu, Budhist countries of the East. The supporters of Islamic terrorism are lucky to a great extent. Imagine any other religious person opposing Islamic people in an Islamic country. In India and Australia, US ,Europe, non Islamic people supported Islamic innocents if they are truly innocent which will b
RE:RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Digital Crusader on Nov 02, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
You are a bastand and only believe in your own religion. Your religion is for f u c k i n g retards.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by ratnajayant gudavally on Nov 02, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
Imran if ur religion is humanity dont support terrorists who kill their own Muslim innocents. Modi did not allow Hindus to kill hindus.
He is a politician and he allowed his vote banks to avenge Godhra masaccre.
Be a political supporter or a religious jehadi...... No other option when human being struggles for survival....not only now....but from the primitive stone age days. Survival of the fittest.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Kyon Bataon on Nov 02, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
Imran ... what humanity r u talking? I find whereever Muslims r there ... riots, fighting and blood shed. Take it Chechenia, Phillipines, Pakistan, Indonesia, Chinese province, Our own Kashmir, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen, Oman, Sudan, Algeria and and and .... I have stayed in Gulf for a decade and have interacted with almost 900 to 1000 Muslims, out of which in summary one thing is COMMON, lets reproduce and get over all these Infidels, Tyurkey is trying with EU, The IMAM of Jama Masjid, Delhi approves writing on its walls, we will take over this country one day. Your Prophet OSAMA calls all Americans to convert into Muslims ... and I know all ... meaning 99.9999% Muslims conjure the same feeling. And u call humanity!!! All retards, knows only one thing to do it good ... put pole in hole and get a sole.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Imran on Nov 02, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
Dude that%u2019s wht u christains want isn%u2019t it. U are the most shameless community in the whole world who sleep with their moms and sisters.
RE:RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Digital Crusader on Nov 02, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
.... till now I thought Islam is the most shameless community in the world. They should be shameless terrorist activies and supporting those activities.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by AbdulSaeed Khan on Nov 02, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
Dear Stephen US is already killed thousands of muslim in Afganistan and Iraq. Are christians not bathing in Blood of human beings?
Soldiers of any country can kill any people of any religion as they are fighting battles not embracing each other. It is possible that they could fight and kill soldiers of other Christian countries in a battle. It is not religion that gets killed in a war ....it is the enemy%u2026..Just like Iraqi armies of Saddam killing Khurds and Kuwaitis%u2026. Did they take bath in the blood of their own Muslims ???
Be wise and dont bring religion into battles and Love affairs.
RE:RE:RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Digital Crusader on Nov 02, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
I have seen thousand cartoon on other religions but none of these major religions took any offensive stance. Everybody has freedom of expression. Muslims are used to supressing the freedom of expression.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by LION on Nov 02, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
Hello Mr. Tomorrow with the word "Freedom of Expression", if people draw a picture of your father and mother as a terrorist or in a vulgar manner and publish in a newspaper. Will you be silent at that time.
We love Allah the most because he is the one who has bestowed us so many things. If we start counting his boons on us then even a whole life will not be enough. And the second only to Allah in love and respect is Muhammad PBUH. I do not understand why people are drawing the pictures of these personalities.
They shall be severely punished. Be it MF Hussain who insulted Hindu Goddesses or Denmark Artist who has drawn a picture of Last Prophet of God 'Muhammad' Peace be upon him.
RE:RE:Campaign against Muslims
by ratnajayant gudavally on Nov 02, 2007 08:42 PM Permalink
If fatwas can be issued against Rushdie and Danish man why not Islamic fatwa against MF Hussain..he has dis obeyed Khuran by insulting other's Gods...that too if Islam is a tolerant religion. Yes or NO....???
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Vijay alias Teesmar Khan on Nov 02, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
You are right. I fully agree with you. Debate if any should be in pleasant manner and in polite words. Drawing insulting pictures and cartoons etc is not good. It is too bad. But, what can be done if some university honours such "artists". Actually all have gone mad for their so-called religions that do not understand what is good and what is bad.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Imran on Nov 02, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Shame on u Christians Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world. US is playing a dirty game they want to destroy all religions so that only christinaity is the only religion in the world.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Digital Crusader on Nov 02, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
They don't want Christanity. They just want to wipe out Islam from the face of the earth.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Vijay alias Teesmar Khan on Nov 02, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
No sir. Your assumption is wrong. We don't think that every muslim is a terrorist. But those muslims who support terrorists are definitely terrorist themselves. We only condemn them.
RE:RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Imran on Nov 02, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
Dude then call all Gujaratis and the Hindus who are supporting Modi as terrorists why don%u2019t u call Bush a Christain teroroist Modi a Hindu terrororist y target only muslims aren%u2019t u adopting double standards
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Vijay alias Teesmar Khan on Nov 02, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
Narendra Modi is not a terrorist. He is democratically elected ruler of a state. You may or may not like him, but he is no terrorist. Don't justify terrorists by comparing them with Modiji, who has won respect in whole world for his good administration and development work. Whole Gujrati people are not terrorists. Better defeat Modi in coming elections. Go to Gujrat and tell this "truth" to voters. They will teach him a good lesson.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Imran on Nov 02, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
Vijay u are a hypocite of the highest kind us aid we condemn people who support terrorsits right a man who was responsible for the mass kilings of 2000 people is not a terrorost then what is he
RE:RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Digital Crusader on Nov 02, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
Even I don't consider Modi as a terrorist. Only these stupid muslims with terrorist mindset consider Modi and Bush as terrorist. but who cares.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Vijay alias Teesmar Khan on Nov 02, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
For that you can blame Gujrati people. ut Modiji had no direct hand. If he had, ask Woman Mohan Singh to arrest him and trial in a court. BTW who do you think is responsible for Alive burning of 58 Hindus in train boggie at Godhra?
I am least surprised with these revelations. The way Dr Haneef was being treated (very harsh treatment)despite the fact that he was a victim of circumstances and was himself not involved in the cowardly act of some of his relatives in a different country was an ample evidence that the administration in Australia is acting in haste and is trying to cover up the things by magnifying small issues beyond its limit.
It is Australian people and human right group who compelled the government to bring sanity.
The people in power were making the mistake like George Bush and Tony Blair. We know how their downfall took place.
There is a lesson for all those who are in power all over the world and for those who are aspiring for top positions. Do not be biased towards anyone. Be fair in your approach and act honestly else you are destined to stand as a looser at the end of the game.
RE:Not surprised
by Kyon Bataon on Nov 02, 2007 12:22 PM Permalink
correct ... convert the whole world into Muslims and problem solved, right? Thast why whereever Muslims are there problem comes as a baggae, have you read some Internet posts by your Muslims? They say they want to migrate to USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand for what? Not for better life or anything but to escape 'satan Sins' what satan sins are they talking about when they themselves are Satan and full of sins!! Any response?
RE:Not surprised
by Michael Martin on Nov 02, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
your comments should also consider that in all islam nations there is no justice or fair trails but only beheading or killing. please do not be biased. atleast the austrailan govt did what they could do best & later released him. in the Middle east this is not so. its really suprising that people want human rights in developed nations & in thier own home country or those nations which have their same religious beliefs they do not get the same nor dare to speak on that. this is double standards
RE:Not surprised
by Ashok S on Nov 02, 2007 10:51 AM Permalink
The Australian police must function like the Hyderabadi police. After the blasts in Hyderabad, the Hyderabadi police officials made some statements like "we knew something would happen but not exactly aware" etc. One of B.Raman's article in Rediff mentioned that lot of Muslim households in old city area of Hyderabad have pictures of Osama Bin Laden in their homes. Only when someone will come forward and accept the responsibility the Hyderabadi police will make the arrests.
RE:Not surprised
by Akram on Nov 02, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
if gujarat people can elect MODI as their leader and it is democratic right. what is the wrong if people keep the photo of osama, even in police station & other public places there are photos of criminals and pickpocketers.
What is wrong in it? Style of functioning of Police everywhere is the same, with little bit difference, particularly when they are doubting him as terrorist due to his mobile use with a terrorist.Sometime, one is to pay price to be of a relative/known of a culprits.
RE:Haneef
by Ashok S on Nov 02, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
No. The Australian police must function like the Hyderabadi police. After the blasts in Hyderabad, the Hyderabadi police officials made some statements like "we knew something would happen but not exactly aware" etc. One of B.Raman's article in Rediff mentioned that lot of Muslim households in old city area of Hyderabad have pictures of Osama Bin Laden in their homes.
RE:Haneef
by Farooq Khan on Nov 02, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
interogating someone who is relative of terror suspect is one thing and making that person criminal by arranging fake documents is another. Please read about email details mentioned in above article. This is a clear case of forging somebody intentionally into something which he never committed. Now you must have got "what is wrong in it" Right dude? or still wrong?
RE:Hindu Hitler Narendra Modi denied visa by the US state department ...admirers on rediff.
by Mohit cuckoo on Nov 02, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
I hope u r mad. Who is responsible for hindu killings. U dont bother about them, If killing 1000 persons is a crime , so it is for 100 also. Get ur thoughts in aproper sahpe, u seem to be a promoter of extremist thought of Muslims. & if ur family memeber wud hav been in the killings then u must hav felt the pain.
RE:RE:Hindu Hitler Narendra Modi denied visa by the US state department ...admirers on rediff.
by Khoko Patil on Nov 02, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
if somebody ate shit then will eat same...?
RE:Hindu Hitler Narendra Modi denied visa by the US state department ...admirers on rediff.
by Ashok S on Nov 02, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
Hey Mohit, Relax! He is neither mad nor is he Sameer Bhagwat.
These days there are a lot of impostors in rediff who hide their real names.
If Modi was denied visa in the USA, it is only an insult to the USA which openly welcomes Christians and Missionaries.
RE:Hindu Hitler Narendra Modi denied visa by the US state department ...admirers on rediff.
by LullihallyTattahallyGanduppa on Nov 02, 2007 10:51 AM Permalink
Sameer, A lot of Malayalees are born and brought up in Mumbai. It doesn't alter your Kozhikkodan blood. If you are so intent of digging up the grave time and again, why dont come out with your original identity? Hamzakkunju or whatever it is?
shame on some hate mongers, who blocking good message as abusive. One guy Ashok is asked one question to all and two guys LION and Akram given very simple reply to him. But somebody is blocked that comment. dont do like this my dear friends.
RE:Shame
by Farooq Khan on Nov 02, 2007 10:37 AM Permalink
very much right brother. I read that post presented by LION and found nothing offensive even an atheist wouldn't find anything abusive in it and very soon I refreshed webpage it was declared abusive and suddenly taken away by rediff moderators. Well moderators have suddenly find a new way of reducing load simply report abuse any post and they will remove it without taking time to check about authenticating it.
