are not social propagandas? but supposedley written by some smart ass*s 1000 yrs ago...makes bramin respect a whitskinned westerner and conspire against indian system...globalization and bramin spearheading most westren companies game plan...bramin lacks any interest in leagacy indian economny...he never earned pennies working 1000 years ago (SIC)...never built an asset for himself...time has changed...money looks 2 tempting...creates a propensity...and a social propangda building bad emotinoal intellingecy to do anything against indian society...with no strings attached...this thug rajeev is a sick character...calls himself upper caste, high in social order...lacks an ounce of humility...and made dalits, lower in social order, may be true, victorious...a la krishna...like guiding arjuna on battle field....oh stop building emotional intelligency...stop betraying india...
RE:enigmatic hindu scriptures...
by Anand Iyer on May 14, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
Dear Dinesh. Have u read hindu scriptures? Have u read Bhagvad Gita-the way u say-" la krishna...like guiding arjuna on battle field"? In Bhagvad Gita, krishna tells Arjuna in no uncertain terms that caste depends upon a person's deeds and qualities and not his birth. Simple enough? Any enigma here? Further, he says "one should lift oneself by one's own efforts". Any enigma in this? It is Manu sMruti which clearly is a social propoganda(as u say) becoz it brings in caste based on birth. The moment hindus accepted Manu Smruti over Bhagavad Gita, the hindu society stagnated and degenerated. That did not stop people from other countries from being guided by Gita to achieve success (scientists such as Einstein/Oppenheimer etc).
Do you think BSP can come to power in your state. She has quoted Sree Narayana Guru. She can get the SNDP and NSS together or SNDP and Muslims together??
though mayawati ahs own on caste calculations only, by bringing brahmins to her fold of dalits plus some muslim votes. muslims probably mostly voted for sp. but by saying that she will support reservation on economic basis (just on becoming cm), she has boldly dismantled the caste barrier.
let us hope for the best. if caste based reservation is removed, casteism will die its natural death. otherwise now a days no one bothers about caste, except marriage, which is quite a private affair.
RE:Casteism
by Arun Tripathi on May 14, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
Instead proposing reservations for upper castes poors, why she does not argue in favor of a reservation system for all poors irrespective of caste or religion.
RE:Casteism
by Ram Sharma on May 14, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
i don't think that she has said that it is only for poor of upper caste? i thought that it is for all poor.
The socialists, the agents of chinese who carry our propaganda against the supposed 'subjects' and kill a few thousands of them for revolutions should be declared as the lowest caste. Mayavati's caste formulation doesn't do so, the socialists and murderers are not declared as lowest castes. So Mayavati formulation has limitations.
RE:Socialist caste
by Arun Tripathi on May 14, 2007 03:23 PM Permalink
The Indian constitution provides for equality in terms opportunities for all as most vital part of fundamental rights, and the same constitution talks about reservation for certain castes; thus allowing contradictions.
Equality in opportunity does not mean equality in luck and fortunes. Unfortunately, you are looking at the later. Dalits and villages produce half a dozen children on an average and then seek reservation as part of equal opportunities. Why don't they realise that if they cannot bring up a battalion, why at all produce one sample after every ten months.
RE:Socialist caste
by Ram Sharma on May 14, 2007 07:46 PM Permalink
dear arun
we must follow one child norm of china. without that the population growth cannot be controlled. higher population with increasing per capita energy requirement will mean ruining of the ecology. already lot of forest land land has been converted into agricultural/indstrial land, air & rivers have become polluted.
RE:Socialist caste
by jagar singh on May 15, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
i have seen brahmins with a dozen children,no exception .all poor tend to have more children as an insurance.one child norm is being relaxed by china.it creates many more problems.by the way,britain,germany and usa had 3-4% population growth during their industrialization phase.india is far lower.
I disagree with the contents of this article. This is merely a drawing room calculation, far from truth or reality. Leadership in any political party which draws support from any section of the society cannot practice what Mayawati or Mulayam or for that matter any regional outfits like DMK, AIADMK, TDP to name a few which have only one leader and who is not questioned at all within the party. For instance Mayawati commands about 21% dalit vote share which has never questioned her involvement in various scams or corruption charges, instead are nicely convinced that this all has been forged by the upper castes including those in CBI and judiciary. Remember that this was not true in case of Rajeev Gandhi in Bofors allegations, a large number of congress supporters voted against him in 1989. Thus unquestionable support dalit support base which is at disposal of Mayawati permits her to broden her vote bank by throwing some bread pieces to Muslims, Brahmins etc. As against this Congress very recently tried to woo OBCs specially keeping UP elections in view, failed to get any additional OBC vote, in the process lost some upper casts support base which is why it has failed to do well in the recent elections. In other words, the question before mainstream political parties is that whether or not they can venture to expand their support base while retaining its core support base. BJP, for example, whenever tried to look towards muslims , the core support based smelled a rat and opposed the move.
Leaders like Mayawati can afford such social re-engineering for they have illiterate and most devoted core support base. This, however, appears to be a temporary phase, as dominant upper castes power centers will never accept dalit leadership in the long run.
RE:Last prophets
by Ramsay James on May 15, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
Then B ready to face the bullets of Encounter squad with equal pride.terrorists never repent or relent. All the best on your new address- Hell !
I can only pity smaller Sudra castes who do not have numbers or education to show any political clout. The old Manu Smriti discriminated based on birth and impurity of occupation; the new Rajiva Smriti wants to discriminate based on numbers. As if throwing the words like 'equality' will give his rants some dignity. History repeats itself. Now we are seeing communalists and casteists coming out of a community(numerically the biggest) which was once outcasted in Kerala. Of course, they are only following the paths taken by Saivas(Lingayats) in Karnataka and Vaishnavas(Tengalai Ayyangars) in South India in the past.
His bell curve and race are hilarious analogies when discussing about present day politics in India. The fact is Brahmins have numbers in UP but not in Kerala.
RE:casteist farce!
by Anand Iyer on May 14, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
No.WE neither want Manu Smriti nor rajva smruti nor caste. We will judge a person by his deeds. That is it.
RE:casteist farce!
by biz Narayan on May 14, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
By that all socialists who slaughter human for revolution are impure and corrupted. So they aught to be descriminated castes too.
Well done Rajiv. Good to see some sane thinking. As racism, so is casteism bad. As is jihad, so is upper caste-lower caste strife is bad. Unfortunately, the previliged group will always assert itself and terrorise the weak. If the lower castes have their way, they shall do the same with upper castes, what the upper castes have done to them. History shall turn a full circle. It is only when all remain within their rights and work for benefit of all, can we hope to ahieve an egalitarian society.
wts happening in Srilanka??Tamil guriella destroy lankan's thousand crores property & killed lakhs of innocent ppl!! Wt you tell they are freedom fighter or terrorist??? They hv linked with Kashmiri jehadi & Osama bin!!!Indian ppl support to LTTE because they hv a lebeled as Tamil!!!
RE:LTTE
by Arun Tripathi on May 14, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
You see terrorists never do good to any religion. You take example of ULFA, several outfits operating in J&K, they may though propogate to work for the interest of their people, but in essence they work against. For example, if hundred of people are killed in a bomb explosion in Srinagar, will they not be muslims in majority who will get killed? When ULFA strikes at places like markets or railway stations, does it ensures that no Assamese is present their? But unfortunately, people do not seem to understand this fact and back them. So, if we call these people terrorists then definitely, LTTE is a terrorist organisation and which is why it is known as such all around the world though some may have vested interests in supporting them.
RE:LTTE
by Anand Iyer on May 14, 2007 08:36 PM Permalink
How terrorism is of any relevance here? The topic here is persistence of caste. Why make irrelevnt remarks?????
