Why is everyone so keen on history? and are we learning any lessons from it? I am a born Hindu and tolerance was taught to me from early days. By talking abt cruel conversions from afghan, portugese or brit rulers will not change history. Hindus n their temples have been vandalized several times in history but talking about that now and inciting hatred will not change anything. Even hinduism has had a violent part (some Buddha temples have been destroyed. Kedarnath n Badrinath have been buddhist temples before they were destroyed n hindu temples built) We should learn from history and live peacefully respecting each other's cultures. I am against religious conversions especially if poverty sticken pple are given food n money to convert. lets not use this forum to abuse any religion or faith.
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by Natesh on May 08, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
I am not sure if you know the facts brother. Many buddhist temples were destroyed in the past and some of them have been by hindus. Some were destroyed by islamic invaders too. Kedarnath and Badrinath were definitely buddhist temples before. Buddhism was very prominent in India before it was completely wiped out. Buddha was against casteism in Hinduism. I am not a buddhist but want to say certain facts here. I am hindu by birth but also like teachings of other religions including hinduism. I will not say hinduism is totally pure n just for everyone just bcoz i was a born hindu
RE:History is History
by sandy on May 08, 2007 01:06 PM Permalink
Dear Natesh,
plz bless everyone with your sound update about kedar-badri as buddhist temples. we are dying to hear from you.just any any credentials to support your statement. plz resist yourself from pasting any link to schizophrenic thesis.
RE:History is History
by kapil sharma on May 08, 2007 11:06 AM Permalink
OK YOU ARE AGAINST CONVERSITION & YOU WANT TO LIVE PEACFULLY SOME ONE COME AND TRY TO CONVERT YOU FORCEFULLY BY MEANS OF POWER OF WEALTH & MUSSEL POWER THEN WHAT YOU WILL DO?
RE:History is History
by Natesh on May 08, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
I will not take a sword or a gun to shoot people who forcefully convert or give to convert. I will enlighten pple 2 resist conversion n fight wiv judiciary n administration to stop conversion. Respect for other religions is important for me and converting anyone means disrepect to that religion which i am against. Pple can take the good things in all religions. No one can stop anyone from visiting any temple/church/mosque/ gurudwar. Only when someone is officially converting the problem arises. I am also against pple having more than 2 children whatever religion they are. Some politicians or religious leaders defend minorities rights to have more children which i condemn.
RE:History is History
by psycho on May 09, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
Nobody can convert anybody forcefully. com'on guys, in india any lower class person can be converted. if a person is not having enough money to have one time food,why the hell he should worry about religion. if he is getting food for survival by converting , than better get converted.
there is nothing called different religion. the only religion is survival.
Had the British not won against Bahadur Shah Zafar and the likes, the entire India would have been Islamised and we would have been an Islamic dictatorship like Saudi Arabia/ Iran/ Pakistan/any other Islamic country for that matter.Bahadur Shah Zafar was certainly not another Akbar the Great/KAMAL aTTATURK
RE:Thanx to British
by kapil sharma on May 08, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
you are wrong mr ganesh you not know about history hindu rulers are more powerful in that region marathas maharaja ranjit singh jat rulers are almost more powerful then bahadurshah jafar
RE:Thanx to British
by S R on May 08, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
tere JAISElogo ke waja se hum log ne angrezo ki gulami ki 250 yrs auur aaj bhi yeh gore indians logo ko 3rd class citizens maante hai.....ja kar in logo ke toilet saaf kar "kutti"
RE:Thanx to British
by Ajit Mohammed on May 08, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
Anand g seems to think that what a host of Muslim rulers, from Qutbuddin Aibak to Aurangazeb Alamgheer couldn't or didn't want to do in seven hundred years of their rule, Bahadur Shah and his successors could do in fifty years, that too without the advantage of being on the throne. when are these fellows going to be free from the paranoia of Islam?
The most relevant part from the excerpts is about Christian Missionaries. It is high time the Indian Christians realise that this religion is basically a vehicle for European Imperialism ! It is the most potent tool of the Europeans (and Americans) to devide us Indians (or, Hindus) and to create a group among us who are inclined favourably towards the former.
RE:1857
by anand ganesh on May 08, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
Well said Vivek. So also is Islam the vehicle of Arab Imperialism (Pls read Anwar Sheikh on www.islam-watch.org)
SAVE THIS COUNTRY>>> STILL INDIANS ARE FIGHTING AMONG THEMSELVES.. NOT LEARNT FROM PAT LESSONS... ALWAYS HATING EACH OTHER IN THE NAME OF RELIGION, CASTE, COMMUNITY, LANGUAGE, REGION, COLOUR, RACE, CREED...and WHAT NOT ???? WE HAVE ALL AND EVRY REASON TO HATE EACH OTHER...BUT NO REASON TO LOVE !!!!!!!!!!!! OH GOD !!!!! SAVE THIS GREAT NATION ..... Jai Hind
RE:OH MY LORD !!
by kapil sharma on May 08, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
yes pls save the country as in the era of east india company in that era two companies one from french & other from england & the winner is east india company & know the era of coak & pepsi & the winner iss ------- god save india from kabooter baz leader god save india from dalal type leader god save india from bharast leader god save india from family type leader
from my research on history [not what we were taught by NCERT, propogated by congressis or RSS] , early british rulers were anti-missionaries themselves. McCaulay clearly mentioned that missonaries must not be allowed to spread in india, and his minutes on indian IPC clearly reflect his desire on india be a secular place. had they been let loose by early brits, we know how effective they are in the art of pursuasion. like it or not, that is what i've observed
Indians can crib all they want. Call britisher's and their cunning policies all kinds of names. But what was in the brains of all the so called "Indians" every one is talking about. The regioin was called hindustan. but not as a single country. It was differnt kingdoms living with each other. try to grab each others legs. Britishers used every damn trick in the book to used the greed, selfishness, ugliness, of the indians then to rule indian.
So it was not the british who brought the problem on the subcontinent (not india) but the people themselves. Then Britishers created the india we know so that they could rule it easily.
Dont blame the brits for using divide and rule. They were clever. and we were stupid not to see. Now that you know history you call them all the name.
Not that i support them and thier barbaric ways. They are no less barbarians than cannibals. They were the bloodiest plunderers in the history of mankind even before Hitler.
But they used the stupid kings and the selfish people of the subcontinent. to their advantage.
And the christian missionaries were different then. Just like how hindhu religion was using human sacrifice for all the notorious reasons. so were christians who used it to do the wrong things.
And goan christians are more catholic who encourage drinking.
Bible being the holy book of christian never encourages drinking. (that is to get drun out of your sense). If christians drink then those are shameful people who are no less than what the muslims call infidels of their faith.
if someone says bible said drink wine. that was as a medicine. and you also use benadryl not that contains alcohol. If you drink too much even that will get you drunk.
Getting drunk and going around senseless is what is condemned. Learn the truth first. Open your eyes.
Dont become preys to people who tell you things find it for yourself. people of India. Learn with a open mind peaceful heart and with love for your fellow humans.
Now dont blame the politicians, religious parties and other so called leaders on the word they say. they are using the same divide and rule policy.
if you dont learn from the history, maybe your kids will say later that you were such stupids that you got screwed by politicians.
get to know that you are being used by politicians. Any politician will use you even if its your own father.
keep you heads clear. Keep India intact. You can never change your future by doing the same thing as in past. you are doing it again.
RE:where were the brains when britishers were taking over.
by ramprasad on May 08, 2007 10:33 AM Permalink
vas please tell the name of a christian king who ruled any indian territary. all are hindus and muslims. all this brainless fellows were advised and mis led by their brainless purohits and ministers who are also hindus to fight each other not against britishers. dont blame others blame yourself.
RE:where were the brains when britishers were taking over.
by r patil on May 09, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
who was queen victoria was she a christain or not did'nt she ruled india or not. who were portugese,fench and ducth were they hindus or mslim huh?
RE:1857 First War of Independence
by siddhartha shaurabh on May 08, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
I think the movie "mangal panday" will give outline,why 1857 & sepoy mutiny is related. We wer on d verge of freedom in 1957 but...
