First and foremost people should understand that the question is not choosing between the US or Iran. Every country's leaders act for their country's interests so why should we listen to the US or UK or Russia when it is not to our advantage? The US has shown the world how ruthless their leaders are when acting for gain whether this is against international law or even decent human behaviour. This is where diplomacy comes in, we should tell the US to back off and not interfere but make them understand that we do not intend to support war ANYWHERE in the world. If our leaders have any sense they must realize that India CANNOT rely on other countries' good will to survive. We must take a stand and assure our independence in alternative energy, production, whatever. Hasn't China shown the world that without CHina no country can survive? Every single article comes from China, pick up a pen, a computer, a toy, a household gadget, bedsheets, towels, ANYTHING! China can tell the US/UK/Russia anyone to go to hell or else! Why can't we look at our neighbour and learn? The Chinese are hardworking, take pride in the finish of their products or handwork, do research and produce innovative designs and solutions. Within a couple of years their software/IT sector will be so well developed India can kiss all the profits earned goodbye!
Every household in India is producing software engineers, how long before the market reaches saturation? We have always been short-sighted, producing millions of useless doctors and engineers incapable of creating, inventing any new technologies, techniques or processes. Where are we in the world when it comes to innovation? We are living in the bronze age as far as infrastructure, education, social welfare, alternative energy and transportation are concerned. We can fight two week wars against Pakistan and damage them, we didn't even know that the Parliament was going to be attacked! We cannot control the terrorists in the north east, we cannot provide minimum food, shelter or education to our people, who are you fooling? Today the US will tell us to bow, tomorrow Russia will tell us to kneel, day after tomorrow China will make us prostrate ourselves. Is this what we want for our country? What future can we offer to our children? Once a slave always a slave, and from the comments looks like this is the prevailing mentality. Shameful
Till 9/11 happened, US consistently & continuously ignored Indian pleas for help on terrorism from across the border from Pakistan though they knew very well the terrorist camps on Pakistani soil. Why? It was not the American blood that was being spilled. Then more than 3000 lives were blown up on 9/11. India suddenly became an American friend because it suited their long term interests both locally & globally. They claim that India is their strategic partner but that did not stop them from spying on Indian soil or arresting Indians in US for exporting some controls of 1960 vintage used in rocket launches. You figure. Bottom line is everything is fair game as long it suits US interests. Will US continue to support the nuclear deal. Another regime change in Washington & there goes all treaties. Remember India is not Isreal & India should follow what is in India's interest.
RE:iran and US
by ratnesh srivastav on May 04, 2007 11:12 PM Permalink
No one can or will give India any thing. We cannot go for only one option. We have to extract benefits both from IRAN and US.
For example look at pakistan: They are taking benefits from US and china eventhough US and china are ENEMIES...
RE:iran and US
by ashok leyland on May 05, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
Why should you advocate licking this or that one's feet? This is the typical Indian attitude, never take responsibility, just follow the crowd, and see where this has got us! Are you really that foolish to think you will get anything from anyone simply by siding with them even if they are not interested in giving anything to you? Of course not. If India has any dignity the govt. will tell the US that we brook no interference in our affairs being an independent nation. This matter should have been made public, the US ambassador reprimanded and the US govt. told to mind it's own business as it does not rule India and never will. That means standing up. More respect to Iranian and Venezualan presidents who have publicly condemmed US interference in their affairs and stood up for their country's rights.
Iis not a matter of choice that is chosing US or Iran. The question here is whether we are going to let US DICTATE to India what we should do and with whom we should maintain relationship.
Please do not divert the attention from debate.
Neither Iran nor US has ever helped India. No country inthis world helps others for charity. All nations have their own interests in what ever they do. This is the reason we often head "Supreme National Interest".
US and Iran are playing a game and WE MUST NOT BECOME A JOKER IN THEIR GAME. Let them fight and solve their problem on their own. We will neither help US or IRAN.
We need GAS from Iran (US does not want this to happen because this will mean that Indians will have alternative to Nuclear deal and IRANIANS will make money) and we need commerce with US. So we will remain out of their problem.
Our stand should be that IRAN must disclose the details of their Nuclear program (because they signed on NPT) and US must give assurances for not resorting to military options as they have done in Iraq case.
We support the peaceful use of nuclear technology and after Iran declares the information about its nuclear programme the culprits (including AQ Khan and company) must be prosecuted in international courts.
RE:Correct priorities
by seek the truth on May 04, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
exactly , i agree indian interest shud be supreme, so if it is gud we shud go with US for now this will anger pro china lobby but so be it
RE:Correct priorities
by Golu Gayani on May 04, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
Very correct. Indian interest is supreme. Who is US to tell India to what to do.
RE:Correct priorities
by Murthy on May 04, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
Yes it is what is best in India's interest that matter. Ideal thing is to go in for thorium reactors which are developed indigeniously even if we have to wait for 10 years, and forget nuclear power for now.
Regarding USA or Iran, go where the commercial interests lie while not alienating either.
Gas from Iran but pipeline NOT through Pakistan. It be a long term headache for India.
An lesser known fact is that it was India that asked for the nuclear deal and not USA. http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/18nspec.htm
May be a rethink over the whole issue is required.
IRAN - INDIA PARTNERSHIP SHOULD DISSOLVE
by on May 04, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink | Hide replies
I do not understand why indian government sees in Iran. India should cut off all its dealings with Iran . Why Iran, because it is a terroist state thats why. I am surprised to see the stupid partnership between India , a democratic country and Iran, a terrorist state. Government of india ... Why are you so stupid? get ride of your stupid relationship with you and iran if you want India to grow as it does now
RE:IRAN - INDIA PARTNERSHIP SHOULD DISSOLVE
by on May 04, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
I do not understand what indian government sees in Iran. India should cut off all its dealings with Iran . Why Iran, because it is a terroist state thats why. I am surprised to see the stupid partnership between India , a democratic country and Iran, a terrorist state. Government of india ... Why are you so stupid? get ride of your stupid relationship with you and iran if you want India to grow as it does now. Think of India first . Do not make foolish partnerships
RE:RE:IRAN - INDIA PARTNERSHIP SHOULD DISSOLVE
by Murthy on May 04, 2007 08:45 PM Permalink
Nevermind the foreign policies of USA. Average American dont know or care for what is happening behind the closed doors of Capitol Hill, and games politicians play.
But an alternative view is this - USA receives 1 million legal immigrants every year plus 30 million illegals already in.
I bet you a million dollars that no one would choose Iran over USA in their wildest dreams and live in a sick and repressive society where women are stoned to death for having sex and you have to dress like a stupid camel to avoid the "moral police".
Read history and propose. White man can never understand traditional societies. Destruction of societies to regain authority is not civil. Technolgy and economic growth need not bring peace and prosperity for majority. Read more about colonialism and exploitation. A few cars and cell phones are not progress.
RE:IRAN - INDIA PARTNERSHIP SHOULD DISSOLVE
by Parimala Badrinath on May 04, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
Having lived in the US for the last 15 years now, I can quite confidently state that an average American is quite ignorant about the world at large. He quite readily eats whatever BS if being fed to him by US Govt. Case in point - WMD in Iraq.
That being said, they easily paint Iran as a terrorist state even though Iran has not committed 1 single act of terrorism directly against the US. All it's alleged terrorist acts have been thro' Hezbollah and those are directed against Israel.
OTH, Pakistan is much more of a terrorist state than Iran is; it's terrorism affecting us directly and affecting the US indirectly.
Yet the US Govt has no qualms in supplying Pakistan with military and economic aid and also urging us to go easy on them.
Everytime they lecture us on Iran, someone should remind them of the wretched friends they keep.
India is not strong enough to Go against US interests.
by abhi on May 04, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink | Hide replies
India is not strong enough to go against US interests. For all those people talking of US depending on India bullshit. Guys it is not US , India is dependent on US, US can replace all those NRI techies from another countries, thats not big deal for them. Imagine if all the foreign countries pull out their investments from India..? we will be begging on roads . It took some 7 hrs for all foreign countries (U may say there are investments from other western countries also, but they will go with US)to take out their money from Philippines in 90s. The Best thing India can do is choose a path where India can go with out effecting US interests and Indian interests. To hell with Iran, what did they do to India..? Did they ever supported us in Kashmir issue..? Iran is not enemy of pakistan also. For the gas pipe line, Iran is not coming down on prices. when they never done any favor to India then why the hell we need to take un-necessary risks and headaches. If all we need is natural gas from them, then we can try to find it in our shores.we need to be like China which is not dependent on any country. we have to become self sufficient in all fields then we can dictate terms to other countries. Till then dont be in a fools paradise that, we are strong,great bla bla bla. we are still a developed country and 50 years behind the developed countries in infrastructure and administration.
RE:India is not strong enough to Go against US interests.
by abhijit singh on May 04, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
we indian always live in past .there is no comparison between us and iran .our million of people r employed only coz of us not coz of iran .iran always supported pakistan in matter of kashmir and these communist still comapare iran with usa .our 75% of IT export is to us.thousands of indian students r studying in us .one of biggest trading partner .but this ups govt always give more importance to there political interest then national interest .and just for few minority vote they have no clear policy towards iran .and these communist knows only one thing how to go against national interest .they dont understand the difference btween india and us our total economy is abt 1 trillion and us economy is of 13 trillion .just imagine with 25 % of our population us have 13 times bigger economy .so its always in indias interest to maintain a gud relationship with US
RE:India is not strong enough to Go against US interests.
by murty on May 05, 2007 12:13 AM Permalink
Yes, communists in India are big headache. They should go. They should ban that party officially.
RE:India is not strong enough to Go against US interests.
by munish sharma on May 04, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
Imagine if all the foreign countries pull out their investments from India..? This is against the basic principals of doing business. Why would businessmen withdraw investments and incur losses as well as lose an opportunity to make huge profits in future. I dont think that is a bargaining chip for US but it definitely is a bargaining chip for India.
RE:India is not strong enough to Go against US interests.
by Murthy on May 04, 2007 08:06 PM Permalink
Pull out investments from India AND close their markets for imports, sounds scary. There goes exports and IT and BPO guys.
We have to be very very prudent so as to 1. Extract maximum benefit in the current circumstances. 2. STOP premature bragging of being "superpower" and foolish ideations of going to war with US. 3. Work where we get benefit. If is US, EU, China, where 90% of our exports go, these regions have to be given priorities against marginal states like Iran.
And THAT gas pipeline passing through Pakistan is a BAD idea.
RE:India is not strong enough to Go against US interests.
by achal mehta on May 04, 2007 08:07 PM Permalink
Mr abhi,
They are investing in India because Indian economy is the 2nd fastest growing. If they pull out from India they are also going to loose out on earning huge returns. As far as dependence is concerned, this is a case mutual need for each other. India needs US but sodo they. They are such self centered people that they would have never offered the nuclear deal if they did not need India. So stop talking like a chicken shit.
RE:Best thing is to reduce friendship w/ Iran, if US wants.
by rajiv kumar on May 04, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
We have nearly 7 times more trade with the US than we have with Iran. We have millions of Indians in the US, compared to less than 1000 in Iran. Tens of thousands of Indians study in US universities every year, compared to none in Iran. We have almost no people-to-people contacts with Iran. US will also be a leader in science and technology for the foreseeable future. If we have to make a choice, it's a no brainer to go with the US.
However, I don't see why we should bend over backwards and cut off our energy trade with Iran. People in the US don't like Saudis (15 hijackers on 9/11 were saudis), yet they get 8% of their oil from Saudi Arabia. Why can't we do the same?
u sick naidu, think of the country not about urself or it guys. if so then dont enter here since its the security, pride of the nation at stake. how can a amrikan govt official write a letter telling us about the consequences if entering into deal with iran? is Indian deal dependent on amrikan. U it guy maybe dependent on dollars but not INDIA. Also India is going to buy a fuel which wont hartm international community but usa is selling the nuclear fuel. ehich menas India can use it for other purpose as well. If Iran was selling nuclear fuel and usa oil(which is not possible as they themselves are hidingly conquering Iraq) Then usa would have made the whole world against india and Iran. usa themselves played crooked game in early 1990 to overtake USSR. now its doing same here too.
HEY GUYS JUST UNDERSTAND AS TO WHY A SEPARATE BILL WAS PASSED IN USA ASSEMBLE RECENTLY. THEY FEAR THAT INDIA, A VERY STRONGLY GROWING ECONOMY AND ATTRACTING WHOLE WORLD'S ATTENSION IMMENSELY, IF ENTERED INTO DEAL WITH IRAN WILL BE A BIG BLOW TO USA AS IT WILL LOOSE HOLD ON MIDDLE EAST AND INDIA MAY SUPPORT IRAN IN FUTURE ON SOME ISSUES OR REMAIN AWAY FROM SUCH ISSUES. HENCE USA WANTS NOT ONLY DEAL BUT INDIA'S SUPPORT AS WELL SINCE ITS EASY TO MAKE OUR POLITICIANS BUCKLE UNDER PRESSURE AND USA TACTICS. ALSO WHY SHOULD INDIA HEAR TO USA BCOZ INDIA HAS TRADE WITH USA? THEN EVEN USA IS DEPENDENT ON INDIA AS MOST OF TECHNOLOGY RELATED R&D'S ARE BY NRI'S. AS FAR AS TRADE IS CONCERNED, INDIA HAS HER OWN RIGHTS TO DO TRADE WITH ANYONE AND USA IS NOT A BROTHER OR ADOPTED SON TO COMMENT ON INDIA'S STANDING. USA HAS NO BUSINESS IN INDIA'S TRADE OR INTERNAL AFFAIRS. IF IT WANTS TO WARN INDIA THEN IT WILL BE SPELLING DOOM FOR THEMSELVES. SO GUYS GOT TO KNOW AS TO WHY USA PASSED A BILL SEPARATELY AND ONLY FOR INDIA? THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE HELL EFFORTS TO REFRAIN INDIA FROM ENTERING INTO ENERGY TRADE WITH IRAN. NOW, AFTER TASTING DEFEAT IN THEIR EFFORTS, THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT PAKISTAN WONT AGREE FOR PIPELINE DEAL WITH IRAN AND INDIA. CROOKS ARE THESE B*****D AMRIKANS. GO TO HELL U B*****D AMRIKANS. FINALLY THEIR OWN MISTAKE IS MAKING THEIR LIFE HELL. HMM.. NOW INDIAN CONGRESS AND NDA HAS GOOD CHANCE TO ESCAPE SIGHTING THE LEAKAGE OF THIS LETTER AS INTERNAL POLITICAL PRESSURE. GET AWAY FROM THIS DEAL NDA NAD CONGRESS ELSE THIS DEAL WILL SPELL DOOM FOR OUR OWN COUNTRY. DONT BELIEVE THOSE WHO APPEAR TO BE FRIENDS BUT HAVE HIDDEN AGENDA OF RULING US. BE AGGRESSIVE. WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF INDIAN SCIENTIFIC AND STRATEGIST COMMUNITY, NDA IS NOT GOING TO SIGN THE DEAL. OPPURTUNITY TO STRIKE AT USA AND MAKE THEM BOW TO ORIGINAL 123 AGREEMENTS WITH THE NECESSARY CHANGES AS SUGGESTED BY INDIAN SCIENTIFIC AND STRATEGIST COMMUNITY
RE:go to hell amrika
by Murthy on May 04, 2007 06:28 PM Permalink
THEN EVEN USA IS DEPENDENT ON INDIA AS MOST OF TECHNOLOGY RELATED R&D'S ARE BY NRI'S.
I dont think so. I guess you believe in those foolish chain emails 35% of scientists in nasa are indians, 30% doctors in America are Indians and all that blah blan nonsense cooked up figures to guillable fools.
While I support you in general that INDIA has to be strong and stand on it's feet and be firm in its interests, I dont support false facts.
RE:RE:go to hell amrika
by Omkar on May 04, 2007 08:56 PM Permalink
guys remember of the last sanctions...it effected them more than us!!! And as far as employment, they are getting cheap labour. What you guys are talking here is the extreme sanctions...don think this is gonna happen!
RE:RE:go to hell amrika
by SRINIVASA GOWDA on May 04, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
If i was wrong then give me the stats that u have which is making you to comment otherways. hey mate, no amrikan will think of helping others without any hidden agenda and this time their agenda was to prevent india from enteriong into deal with Iran. see they supported iran with military supplies during Iraq war nearly a decade back and whats guarantee that they wont back stab INDIA after half a decade? Better be safe than venturing with such intelligent culprits.
RE:go to hell amrika
by rajiv kumar on May 04, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
Srinivasa Gowda, Please learn to write english before you express your opinion. Your grammar makes us sick.
