Lets be a bit rational, kishore has put his point and we all disagree with it, he has also put another point which is worth debating..community service. why ridicule him ? we are being emotional in our responses instead of debating the cirumstances in which this judgement has gone largely in favour of Alistar. He surely pay up much more.
RE:why pity kishore?
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 05:26 PM Permalink
I never changed my stance , I just evolved the statement it when poeple started putting unnecessary accusation towards me on a two way problem (i.e driver and dead people). They wanted to destroy a unfortunate boy's life without knowing the person ( heak, Even I don't know him).But being sensible I talked about giving the boy a second chance . Everybody is entitled for second chance in life ,If he improves it will inturn be good for the country ,If not thorw him in the garbage can (i.e jail) where he belongs
RE:I Pity Kishore
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
Hello , I don't drink alcohol ,and I never will . If death is what you want go ahead with it . It's a pity that you belong to same country that produced great non-violent leaders like Gandhi,Vivekananda,Sai Baba ,Buddha etc . Your sickening attitute is a disgrace to the above great men . I am only asking to give the boy a chance to resurrect his life through some good causes .
RE:I Pity Kishore
by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
I pity you a little more now. Now you are trying to get in Freedom Fighters to push your baseless argument.
RE:I Pity Kishore
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
Ok Bimal You can Hang him like Saddam, and dance around his dead body like a enormous achievement. There is practically no point in discussing with blood craving people like you .
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by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
Ok Bimal You can Hang him like Saddam, and dance around his dead body like a enormous achievement. There is practically no point in discussing with blood craving people like you .
RE:[object]
by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
All I would say that the punishement should be harsh enough to make the fear good enough for others to learn.
RE:RE:I Pity Kishore
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
You never have talked sense , and are only here to entice people here . Think Practically For Alister . Money .. No Problem Jail Sentence .. No Problem , Will be given a 5 star compartment where he can drink and party .
I said about community service ,Yeah he has to go to the slum and understand reality of life . This would be leasson to him ,Again ,If properly implemented .
You are just like a billions in this country nutmeg by few people to run away from reality through films,politics and media
RE:I Pity Kishore
by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 04:33 PM Permalink
I think I better stop arguing with you, because seriously you are not in your senses. And no point arguing with a crazy guy. Keep on writing Nonsense Kishore, rest assured atleast I wont respond.
RE:I Pity Kishore
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 04:37 PM Permalink
You lost it sucker , And I am not crazy , I see things practically and you don't . Don't worry ,you or your homis will reply with some illogical conclusions as guys only live in illusions
RE:RE:I Pity Kishore
by Amit Thakkar on May 03, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
Just read all the conversations on the topic. Kishore started the topic on one point and changed it midway and is talking about rehabilitating Alister. Understand on thing Kishore, had the people on the Footpath been injured (not seriously) then I would have agreed to the Community Service part. But understand, quite a few of them have been killed. And mind you, iut was not a normal accident, but it happened because of GROSS NEGLIGENCE of the young man, who acted IRREPONSIBLY and drove his car inspite of being drunk. Now here again, I am not asking for a Capital Punishment. But it cannot be a 6 month term. He has to be penalised with a longer term and also with a higher compensation the Community Service. It should be such that people would think a 1000 times before driving after being drunk
RE:I Pity Kishore
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
There's your Homi Bimal . I never changed my stance , I just evolved the statement it when poeple started putting unnecessary accusation towards me on a two way problem (i.e driver and dead people). They wanted to destroy a unfortunate boy's life without knowing the person ( heak, Even I don't know him).But being sensible I talked about giving the boy a second chance . Everybody is entitled for second chance in life ,If he improves it will inturn be good for the country ,If not thorw him in the garbage can (i.e jail) where he belongs
RE:I Pity Kishore
by Amit Thakkar on May 03, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
Now I understand why you are being hated by members out here. You have an huge ego problem. You stared by having pity on Alistair and then when you got the backlash you conviniently changed the topic to rehabilitation. Common Kishore, you are acting like a b****y politician. And I think you are making comments with half knowledge, which is even more dangerous. I am sure you must not be aware of Alistair's statement after the accident, I produce it for you & you may reconfirm it with NDTV, he said "I have not done anything wrong". Boss, this attitude after committing such a crime tells volumes about the character of Alistair. If this is how you think, then you would want similar punishments for Rape & Murder too. Get a life Kishore. Punishments should be such that other RASCALS should avoid doing the Crime. But again, I am sure you wont stop blowing your own trumpet.
RE:I Pity Kishore
by Arjun on May 03, 2007 08:32 PM Permalink
Well said Amit. I absolutely agree that there has to be a fear of punishment whereby others wont Dare to do indulge in such NONSENSE. Kishore, I think u are related to Alistair.
RE:I Pity Kishore
by Ram sharma on May 03, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
hey its all filmi influence ... hope u don't remember a abhishek's film where the filmi hero too for his rash driving was sentenced to serve in a old-age ashram for an year ... I don't exactly remember the film name ... but others in the film are ompuri, amreshpuri etc.
how is it just bcoz this guy is without big holds had to deposit money and HC too ordered to see, if the victims have got their compensation or not. But what is happening in salman khan's case --- I haven't read a news where salman was sentenced or had paid the compensation... why is this ????
RE:what why is salman still out ????
by on May 03, 2007 08:42 PM Permalink
ya y dis big fuss bout alistr wen evry1 hs conveniently 4gotn bout salman...1st punish him...as he wsnt punshd evrybdy thnks dey cn do d sam n go scot free!! henc alistair's stmt "i have not done anythhing wrong"!!!!!!
I read with complete disbelief and disgust what has been written by dear friend Kishore. Caring about the emotions of parents of Allister, he says...what about the feelings and emotions of the relatives of 7 pavement dwellers whom this drunk mowed down. Some of them might have been the only bread-winners of their families...or do they not have any feelings? Perhaps, only rich kids and their parents are allowed to have feelings in the affluent, brave new India, eh Kishore? Should we thank you for accepting at the outset that it was his fault for driving in a drunk state...what about his fault in killing the poor people sleeping on the pavement...or, does every Tom, Dick and Harry get the right to mow down pavement dwellers just because they may have been residing there illegally...by the same token, if a kid steps on the zebra crossing while the signal is red for pedestrians, people like Kishore in their big expensive cars would perhaps mow them down and claim that it is the kid or their parents who should be blamed. Sleeping on pavement because you don't have the means for a proper dwelling, and killing people in a fit of drunken driving are two different categories of crime, Mr Kishore, as I am sure any civilised person would agree. You don't kill people for the 'crime' of sleeping on public property, but law should definitely strictly punish people who run over over people with their vehicles while driving in a drunken state.
RE:'Crime' of sleeping on pavement
by Purushottam Dayama on May 03, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
Well it pays richly for the journalists and TV channel walas to hype on sentiments and taking everything to extreme. It is not established yet whether car got on footpath due to drunken driving or due to breaking of steering union due to which axle broke. If you had an accident of this type only then you know what happens and it is mercy of God that driver remains alive. Then again many people do petty criminal things and when they suffer they accuse others and try to get hefty compensation. In this connection this kishore is trying to say something and not at all defending the guilty man. 40% of Mumbai is occupied illegaly by people of all sorts and in calamity like floods they are in the forefront to ask for compensation from benign Govt. which looks other way when legality of their occupation is questioned for vote bamks. The whole of Tulsipipe rd is similarly encroached and there are too many accidents happening due to encroachers. When the courts are examining the issue why it is necessary to get sentimental and ask whether kid will be run at zebra crossing? Suppose kid goes bersek at other point and over run will you defend the driver? Definitely there is crime of misusing public property and all those socialites and aspiring- socialites only encourage such behaviour alongwith politicians. We dont behave responsibily in society and expect everybody to be responsible when only you are concerned. Let the HighCourt decide wheteher who is guilty or to what extent. If you are not satisfied with Courts decision then only you can comment on that but not before judgement.
RE:'Crime' of sleeping on pavement
by raj ray on May 03, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
I agree with one view of Kishore. let this guy do community service and pay for his crime. 5 lacs is peanuts. This way he shall realise what he has done. And yep, law says u can not drink and drive. period. and on top of it if you mow down someone...u should be history.
RE:'Crime' of sleeping on pavement
by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
I think we ourself will have to stop Kishore. I had always heard that one should never argue with a Crazy guy because people wont know the difference, now I understand the meaning & will just keep quiet.
RE:'Crime' of sleeping on pavement
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
Hello , I don't drink alcohol ,and I never will . If death is what you want go ahead with it . It's a pity that you belong to same country that produced great non-violent leaders like Gandhi,Vivekananda,Sai Baba ,Buddha etc . Your sickening attitute is a disgrace to the above great men . I am only asking to give the boy a chance to resurrect his life through some good causes .
RE:'Crime' of sleeping on pavement
by on May 04, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
I agree with Alka. Well Kishore. U say that this criminal guy should be given a second chance to resurrect. Are u dead sure that this will happen??? Meaning how do you know that he will change for good??? who knows tomorrow he might repeat the crime. Well as for me I do not think this guy Alistair have any guilt feeling. He has no inner conscience. Then how do u know that he will do some good causes. Once life is gone, it is gone. Keep yourself in place of those people who have lost their near and dear ones in this accident. Perhaps then you will realise that life is so precious. And this guy Alistair should be punished severely.
The man is guilty of drunken driving. Similarly, the victims too are guilty of sleeping where they should not be, irrespective of poverty or other sad reason. Alistair, by rule of law, got a correct sentence. And that's it.
RE:Alistair Pereira
by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
Oh, so you are the Supreme Court. THATS IT. Cant blame you looking at your Surname
RE:Alistair Pereira
by sreedhar sreedhar on May 03, 2007 03:34 PM Permalink
Dear Allwyn, its not the question of mowing down sleeping people, but it is the case of drunken driving and managerial capacities of the rich class. Justice should cut across these differences and he should be punished in such a way that no body should dare again to booze and drive. It doesnt matter even if it is capital punishment to bring the change
RE:Alistair Pereira
by on May 04, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
Allwyn Pereira, whoever u are. Please fear God. Nobody is happy to sleep on pavements. But the fact is that these people are so poor that they are forced to sleep there. God must have given you everything that the reason you dont realise but please dont lose humanity towards others.
RE:Alistair Pereira
by Socrates Dsouza on May 03, 2007 03:34 PM Permalink
When Salman Khan mowed down pavement dwellers in the same year within a week a police van mowed down pavement dwellers in pune, what happened to that,how are they left scot free. Can anyone throw some light to this incident. Socrates D'souza
It is not a question of rich or poor. The central theme is a few persons died because of negligent driving under the influence of alcohol. The prosecution should have made a water tight case in the first place. The fact that it has not done so(whaterever be the consideration) makes it a case fit for judicial scrutiny.
RE:first check your facts Kishore
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
Hello all you bashers,Read the first statement ,I am not defending Alister. I am just saying that the fault lies in both sides but only one side pays ,just because he is rich . Sentimental fools !!!!!!
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by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
More importantly I am a middle class person who thinks sensibily . I do not fall for emotions just like you . "If your relative dies" ,Stop talking rubbish you dumbhead & get a life.
RE:first check your facts Kishore
by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 03:26 PM Permalink
You maybe a Middle Class person, but your Mentality is Third Class. It was not a Normal Accident. I dont know if you drive or not, but the damage to the Toyota shows that it was being driven at a very high speed. And understand one thing, anyone who drinks and drives should be aware of the RISKS to the other users of the road. Ask yourself what would have been your opinion if a pedestrian would have died in the accident ?
RE:first check your facts Kishore
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:29 PM Permalink
What is purpose of sending a young man to jail and wasting his life . Instead of that , court can ask him to do a 4 years community service ,so that he could be helpful and be a better citizen of the country
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by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 03:38 PM Permalink
Then just close the courts and decide about the Community Service period for Rape / Murder / Robbery /Drunk Driving. I think you have lost it Kishore, you have put your foot in your mouth and want to argue for the sake of it.
RE:RE:first check your facts Kishore
by on May 04, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
Wot community service are you talking about?? Mr. Can u define wot community service?? Pls go ahead and define the exact meaning of it. Let us also know about it. HUH !!!Foolish talks
RE:first check your facts Kishore
by bunt on May 03, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
Kishore u r sounding like this only,the ppl like u are sick and cannot think about poor stop defending ppl like Alister who r driving drunk on the road and are playing with lives of innocent ppl.....
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by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
Bunt shut up , you only seems to crave for blood , Think sensibly ,it is a life of a young educated man you are talking about . Instead of wasting his life in jail ,sk him to do a 4 years community service ,so that he could be helpful and be a better citizen of the country
RE:first check your facts Kishore
by on May 03, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
so i guess d lives f illeterate ppl r not worth talking about eh????is dat wat ur implying, Mr. EDUCATED KISHORE??????????
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by on May 04, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Kishore u are getting on my nerves. I swear. You are talking nonsense. U feel that this B Alistair's life is wasted and pls whot u think he is educated right?? That means the people who have lost their lives, their life had no value??? U rotten thing . A pregnant lady lost her life and a tiny little soul was dwelling inside her. WOt u think abot it. U Rascal. A small girl died. WOt abot her life. Before starting her life, it got ended. These lives have no value???? If The Court leaves Alistair today, Believe me u stupid how will the crime be curbed in our country??? U fool. I feel like slapping you.
RE:RE:first check your facts Kishore
by on May 03, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
so i guess d lives f illeterate ppl r not worth talking about eh????is dat wat ur implying, Mr. EDUCATED KISHORE??????????
RE:first check your facts Kishore
by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 03:35 PM Permalink
EDUCATED MAN ? If he was Educated enough then he wouldnt have Driven after being Drunk.
RE:first check your facts Kishore
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
Bimal ,I pity you , Mistake happens from all the people educated/non educated. It is about improving your understading of life and value others life which is more important . You only talk trash,as you don't value life
RE:first check your facts Kishore
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
Hello , I don't drink alcohol ,and I never will . If death is what you want go ahead with it . It's a pity that you belong to same country that produced great non-violent leaders like Gandhi,Vivekananda,Sai Baba ,Buddha etc . Your sickening attitute is a disgrace to the above great men . I am only asking to give the boy a chance to resurrect his life through some good causes .
Ok ,It is his fault to drunk driving . But the accident happened is an unfortunate incident . The fact media is reporting it as a murder and homicide is a complete disgrace . The problem also lies with the people who make the public property (Footpath,roads here) as their own property and sleep on it without any care about civic senses . Just because his father ,media find it as a conspiracy . If the media is so emotional,show some emotions towards the parents of Alister,everybody has feeling rich or poor . Bottom line is The people have died partically due to their gross negligence towards their life and public property . This case is like blowing your house due to leakage of cooking gas ,and blaming on the gas company,without owning your responsiblity and ignoring early warnings
RE:I pity Alister
by Bhaskar on May 03, 2007 03:15 PM Permalink
Both sides at fault I think. these people for sleeping in pavement without thinking safety and also alister for "drinking and driving". But he is a victim of being son of a rich family.
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by bunt on May 03, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
u r sounding like kishore,the ppl like kishore are sick and cannot think about poor stop defending ppl like Alister who r driving drunk on the road and are playing with lives of innocent ppl.....
RE:RE:[object]
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:25 PM Permalink
Hello Social Service bunt , what have done for the poor to talk about it . Raise the voice towards the Govt ,why all our taxpayers is just not suitable enough to provide the basic necessity Food ,clothing and shelter
RE:I pity Alister
by Bharat Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:05 PM Permalink
you should realize some people's "gross negligience towards their life and public property" is a result of unfortunate circumstances and not out choice. Unless the people you are referring to are the once who have lost their senses after a heavy dose of booze and have forgotten their houses in that state.
RE:I pity Alister
by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 03:14 PM Permalink
I think u are also drunk and not in your senses exactly like Alister when he rammed his car. What Nonsense are you talking. Agreed that it is the duty of the Civic bodies to ensure that people dont sleep on the pavements etc. but does that mean that some Idiot gets the license to Drink and kill people on road. Mind you it could have been anyone, maybe someone like you walking on the road. Now would you say that walking on the road is also incorrect. Get real. I am surprised that such an open and shut case is being dragged & Alister has the cheek to say that this case has affected his studies. The guy has to face the music.
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by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
Hello all you bashers,Read the first statement ,I am not defending Alister. I am just saying that the fault lies in both sides but only one side pays ,just because he is rich . Sentimental fools !!!!!!
RE:I pity Alister
by manish jaiswal on May 03, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
how can u talk like that ,the ppl like u are sick and cannot think about poor,if u were in the sitution of those poor persons where than have u gone to sleep,It is Indian system else the people like alister "The Amir baap ki bigari aulad" mast have been hanged.
RE:I pity Alister
by COOL GOOSH on May 03, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
I agree... Mostly these street people are none but Bangladeshis who are vote banks for our politicians- that is why they are fast enough to ask for enhencement ot the sentence to take political milage out of it...
RE:I pity Alister
by Anandanath Banerji on May 03, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
What an analogy, my dear Kishore. Gas and human life are like chalk and cheese. You agree that he was driving drunk ... is it right?
People who sleep on kerb do not have a choice, often. Just thank your stars that you are so fortunate to have a roof over your head. At least, be a little empathic to deprived people.
RE:I pity Alister
by esrugse fdkjhres on May 03, 2007 03:11 PM Permalink
You sound like a rich brat yourself, who once was lucky enough not to have mowed down people in drunken stupor...
Do you have any sort of shame talking like so, and you have the temerity of blaming these destitutes for sleeping on streets. Boy, they do so because they have no where else to go, unlike your Alistars et al, who drink and drive without batting an eyelid for rules and regulations..
He has snuffed out lives, and there is nothing that can justify it...So please for once, think like a human soul and thank your bloody stars that you were born with a silver spoon..and not had to sleep on pavements,lest you would have been vulnerable to drunken individuals like Alister..
And finally, but for the media again, justice would not have been served...For all its flaws and sensationalism, I believe it has really done a whole lot good for the poor man on street. We need to pat them on the back for it.
RE:I pity Alister
by bunt on May 03, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
what a rubbish kishore....are u coming from USA...this is INDIA my friend...millions of people still do not have house to live...no food to eat....still they are trying (fighting) to live their life...it is not a question that they were slipping on footpath hence any one can come and hit them by his/her car....i agree that the footpath are not meant for slepping...but the people who are slepping are not doing this for pleasure but becasue they are helpless....i agree that the footpaths are not for slepping but people like u should also understand that they are also not for driving cars in drunk conditions......
RE:I pity Alister
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
Hello bunt ,I am from India , And I have this first hand experience ,not killing part, of people being ignorant in India. People in India don't care about traffic rules at all,includes me (try to ,but traffic bugs me) . Don't give me the poor man thing , I know these people personally ,they always have a feeling that the public property is anyone's property . They will have 500 bugs in hand but would not like to spend 100 bugs for a logde room, why ,because why waste money
RE:I pity Alister
by on May 04, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
I agree. This Kishore is a totally mental case. It is of no use talking and discussing with him. He is absolutely mental shit.
RE:I pity Alister
by on May 03, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
u hv a point der..slum ppl in mumbai use deir mony to buy n rent more such houses instd f moving out wen dey hv earnd enough...dey r usd to livin in such conditns..dis way dey cn earn mor mony, thru rent..
RE:RE:I pity Alister
by bunt on May 03, 2007 03:13 PM Permalink
i do not endorse ur views...forget all the things...do u say one who is driving durnk on the foothpath or road should be given clean chit...
RE:I pity Alister
by Syed Ahmad on May 03, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
what is this kishore ....... its realy pity that u can think in this manner ..... r u not aware of the poverty conditions in India my dera friend life has same meaning for a rich & a poor . Although parera has not killed them knowngly but its him becauze of whom so many people have lost their lives ,thing about their own small dreams which r no more ....
RE:I pity Alister
by Amit Magnani on May 03, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
Looks like you have opened a can of worms by saying that you pity alister. I agree with your views that media is blowing it out of proportion and conspiracy theory is being discussed. But my friend, bottom line is he was DRUNK and he has to go to jail for that. For a longggg time, not just 6 months and he has to pay Fat compensation. 5 lacs is peanuts. Just because these people were pavement dwellers you think he can get away with anything that he wants?
RE:RE:I pity Alister
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:28 PM Permalink
Again another basher , What is purpose of sending a young man to jail and wasting his life . Instead of that , court can ask him to do a 4 years community service ,so that he could be helpful and be a better citizen of the country
RE:RE:I pity Alister
by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
Hello , I don't drink alcohol ,and I never will . If death is what you want go ahead with it . It's a pity that you belong to same country that produced great non-violent leaders like Gandhi,Vivekananda,Sai Baba ,Buddha etc . Your sickening attitute is a disgrace to the above great men . I am only asking to give the boy a chance to resurrect his life through some good causes .
RE:I pity Alister
by raj kumar on May 03, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
You mooran !If the foot paths are not for sleeping, they are also not for driving cars. Show some sensivity.
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by Kishore on May 03, 2007 03:13 PM Permalink
Hello all you bashers,Read the first statement ,I am not defending Alister. I am just saying that the fault lies in both sides but only one side pays ,just because he is rich . Sentimental fools !!!!!!
RE:[object]
by Bimal Bhatia on May 03, 2007 03:18 PM Permalink
Kishore please recheck the subject of your discussion before calling others Sentimetal Fools. I think you yourself are a Mental Case.
RE:I pity Alister
by bunt on May 03, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
u r sounding like this only,the ppl like u are sick and cannot think about poor stop defending ppl like Alister who r driving drunk on the road and are playing with lives of innocent ppl.....
RE:I pity Alister
by Andrew scott on May 03, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
I agree with you regarding poor sleeping in the pavements in negligence of danger.......but what if this same has happened on a group of kids walking innocently on the pavement.......
