Tamilnadu Goverment taken the correct decision all the legislative assembly's should follow the same decision. The backward surely required quote on elite institutions. OBC can't beat the thousand years of Genetic advantage of uppecast to get seat under merit in IIT/IIMS.the quota is the only solution to get seats in elite institutions.
The parliment having power to cover this uppercast judjement made by the SC.
The Uppest talking about the Quality., what quality having an Indian MBBS abroad?? Nothing they will through the certificate to the waste bucket and ask the Candidate to do atleast 2 years MD in Abroad for a job.
We can't create a equallent brain power in India., that is our culture. Time is require to full fill the generation Gap between the Upper and OBC here.
And remember one more thing, Nobody is given the key of Indian quality control to the upper cast here.
Thank u once again to Tamilnadu legislative assembly about their great decision.
RE:Quota issue
by Neo on Mar 30, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
Baap re! Just coz these OBCs dont want to study hard, get marks and then get into a good college, these guys give so many weird reasons...Mind you, even if you get backdoor entry with reservations, when you come to an MNC for a job you will have to prove your merit...Life is never easy, how much ever your OBC MPs try!
RE:Quota issue
by vijay baskar on Mar 30, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
UUPEST CASTE IS IT EXPRESS LOGISTICS ? EVEN BRITISH WONT KNOW SUCH A WORD IN ENGLISH.. WHAT A WONDERFUL ENGLISH.. THIS MESSAGE FROM YOU IS ENOUGH OF WHATS THE BRAIN OF OBC AND WHATS THEIR STATUS IN AN INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE LIKE ENGLISH.. EQUIVALENT IT IS !! NOT EQUALLENT.. FIRST GET QUOTA FOR OBC IN LKG and UKG study english properly and come back here to post ur views.. fools !!! u guys cant develop ur brain ,english and knowledge but u ppl want seat in elite univ...crazy !! go for MD abroad and say UPPEST MARK.. the professor will slap u
RE:Quota issue
by Biswajit Ghoshal on Mar 30, 2007 01:37 PM Permalink
The very basis of your whole logic is dirty pungent. Merit can not be genetically passed. If that was the case never Dr. Ambedkar could have become what he became, sons of Noble Lauriates would have been Noble Lauriates. Don't make foolish basis for your arguments.
Karunanidhi just deserves another police manhandling which was given to him when Jayalalitha came to power.
RE:Quota issue
by madhav nadkarni on Mar 31, 2007 11:00 PM Permalink
If Anilkumar is correct, all SCs, STs, and OBCs need medical intervention, or some kind of operation to correct genetic deterioration. Government should promote research in genetics and all supporters of reservation should take lead in this research and develop some sort of injection and help themself in advancement. Then there will not be any problem of reservation.
RE:[object]
by Red Planet on Mar 30, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
Cool dude We need not reply such comment, just report abuse.Because reply itself becomes vulguar. We are all educated people.
SIR, this is my request that plz call all mp's and introduce one law that children of open categories are not allowed to study above class 10 in this country.And i am seriously thinking of going out of this country for good for my kids.
What is the need for a Bandh for OBC Quota Stay? The stay in quota is only for IITs and IIMs. I don't know why people make so much of noise just for nothing. Unless creamy layer among OBCs are eliminated the real benefit of the quota is not going to reach the deserving people.
RE:Supreme Court Verdict
by always_right on Mar 30, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
these OBCs don't have any work, throughout their life they only beg. They don't want to put any effort, beggers can't change their attitude.
Reservation should be based on Income. Basically reservation meant for people who don't have opportunity to have a kind of education that other people normally city people.
For OBC, First criteria is Income. If this is the case who are all against this reservation may argue to Govt to make strict on OBC certificate issue and not for this policy. Even this is true for SC/ST as well. I do see people in my college(IIT) who is under SC/ST category have Laptop and and all. If a person has an ability to buy a Laptop then he must have money to study in good school and coaching centre.
Also I would like to answer to one of the Folk who said why people from a rural side and poor family backround want to always begging habit.
Folk, if we baggers are not there you will not have rice to eat, you wont have cloth to wear. and your life start to stink.
For your Information there are so many DR.APJ still selling news paper and doing part time job. if at all they are given chance you guys will under them. Dont get scared to see people from rural side growing.
The next step of the current Tamil Nadu government will be to issue free professional course seat to all the backward people! One professional seat per one backward class person!!! No matter whether you have finished schooling or not..Beware, this might be the slogan for next state elections!!!
By using the divide and rule strategy, dravidians and aryans, already the current politicians of tamil nadu have killed the spirit of the people. They are the masters of creating caste-based society.
RE:Excellent vote bank politics of TamilNadu directed by the Great So called 'the decent politician'!
by Karthik Karthikeyan on Mar 30, 2007 01:27 PM Permalink
Dont make such a statement on BC category people.It will hurt them. I have done my B.Tech from Anna Univ and I enter to Anna Univ under BC but after that I have performed better than OC people. Also in Anna Univ during the Campus placement BC people are not sitting at the corner. According to you they should not get job but that is not true. They equally placing as OC people do.
The reservation is just to give opportunity to people who don't have oppertunity to study in good school. Since most of BC people under this situation the Givt had decided to give all BC. This might be wrong in which case people may argue to separate BC base don income rather than blaming on BC.
RE:Excellent vote bank politics of TamilNadu directed by the Great So called 'the decent politician'!
by Neo on Mar 30, 2007 01:31 PM Permalink
Then why should a Poor Upper caste kid not get the same benifits? Is poverty and lack of good schools only for OBCs?
If as you say, OBCs are good enough after they do their undergraduation, then why do you OBCs need reservation in PG level at IIMs? Why dont you OBCs stand up and be counted on your own merit? Any answers MR.KARTHIK. You simply can't coz OBC reservations are nothing but Racism!
RE:Excellent vote bank politics of TamilNadu directed by the Great So called 'the decent politician'!
by Karthik Karthikeyan on Mar 30, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
Basically I am from rural area and from poor family back round as well. As for as I haven seen in villages that people are not getting good education. People in cities start their coaching for JEE at their 9th or 10 standard it self. But in villages that is not the case. There are so many good students are not continuing their education because of so many issues in their family. So literally students in villages are struggling for their studies in which case reservation is excellent gift for them. That is what happening atleast in TN. More than 50% people entering Anna Univ( I am referring CGE.AC Tech and MIT) and after that their life style is changing.
Answering to your second question, Actually you are correct for PG level courses there should not be any OBC and all.
For your information I am now at IIT under OC.Not only me in my class almost 80% of the people are BC under OC. We might not be the good example. The great example is the famous person of India.
RE:Excellent vote bank politics of TamilNadu directed by the Great So called 'the decent politician'!
by Neo on Mar 30, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
Karthik, NEVER FORGET that the seat you occupy from reservations was meant for a hardworking kid from some upper caste! He or she scored more marks than you and yet did not get through coz of his or her caste or religion. This is injustice and not fair.
RE:Excellent vote bank politics of TamilNadu directed by the Great So called 'the decent politician'!
by Karthik Karthikeyan on Mar 30, 2007 01:52 PM Permalink
Yes, That is why I have told that BC should be based on Income. People should argue to the GOVT to change the criteria for BC or OBC and should not simply say that BC are going to get free professional course.
For your information major percentage of BC people still struggling.
I feel sorry for the forward castes who are being discriminated , but you will have to pay for what your ancestors did for millenia ! I am against collective punishment ,but the society is so unequal that affirmative action has to continue for a reasonable period of time .60 years too small a period to offset the imbalance .
The government has to amend the constitution to prevent the 'elite' of the judiciary trampling down up on the aspirations of millions in this country. The parties that do not realise this will be thrown out of power by the peoples of India
Irrespective of my personal opinions which support only a merit based system , I would like to see reservation continuing to prevent inequality and turmoil.
Every 20 years there should be a review of the mechanism of reservation and the aim should be to bring down the reservation percentage along with the guideline . If we do not achieve social equality in the next 200 years we would be considered a failed state in making conditions better for our people ,both the forward castes and backward classes
RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by Mohan Raj on Mar 30, 2007 01:37 PM Permalink
Hey Sameek , I will not get into useless personal fights here. You can call me whatever you want .
So if I got my good skills because I got admission because of quota doesnt it mean that the system is working? On the contrary would you change your mind if I told you that I was a Tamil Brahmin ? Criticise what I say , do not get into personal attacks ! It reveals only your puerile mind set .
So do you think open merit system will bring equality ? The status quo will only perpetuate inequality ! Every society has its own pecking order and unfortunately in India the whole rich/poor inequality is mapped to caste . So affirmative action has to be caste based and has to continue . I see most of the bulletin board is anti-reservation ,that reveals the extent to which forward castes have access to better resources and try to stifle the other voices . When will we hear the voices of the poor folks/OBCs of this nation on this board ?
And you gherao tactics wont work against me, my word is my weapon !
RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by venkat on Apr 02, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
rich/poor mapped to caste? I can't agree NOW (may be 60 years earlier, this true)... low caste OBCs are among the richest in the country.
RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by rajagopalan nadimuthu on Mar 31, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
Good.why not exclude creamy layer among the BC & Scs from the purview of reservation.By this more chances flow to the really BC & Scs .Is it not ? That is what every one pleads for . But our T.N Politicians want them to remain them as they are in the larger /personal interest of their own kith and Kin. Though they advocate the Tamil medium in all institutions including medical & engineering and want to shut openings totally,they are giving best education to their wards in the elite institutions and pack them off to places like States or incarnate them as second in command to ascend their throne after their exit to prosper further. Raj
RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by Neo on Mar 30, 2007 01:22 PM Permalink
Dont feel sorry for forward castes. In its current format, it is only Laloo and Paswans vagabond sons and daughters who are going to benifit from this reservation. If the rich amongst the so called OBCs are allowed to get these benifits, then nothing will go to the Poor of this country. You are living in an utopian world!
By the way, a kid today if he has to suffer because of something that was done by his or her ancestors, then the basic Fundamental Rights of a citizen is violated! Then why should one have a constitution and say we are a Democracy? Discrimination by color, creed, sex is punishable offence... I hope some one drags these MPs of India to the International Human Rights commission! Denying an education to a kid with merit, just because he is a Brahmin or an upper caste is PURE RACISM!
RE:[object]
by Mohan Raj on Mar 30, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
I concur with your opinions . But dont you think the racist caste system perpetuated for millenia has relegated so many millions to the fringe of the society ?
How would you uplift them without trampling on the fundamental rights of other citizens ? That is a question I am not qualified to answer
RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by jitendra Tiwari on Mar 30, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
mr raj, u r lucky that u born with backward class mark on your head.
But do u think that mark will make u a good Engg or maneger or Doc. No,because it became your habbit to take every things from cota,and cota is useless thing.it is making our society useless and creating imbalance.This imbalance will be very dangerous for our country and u will see this in your life.
RE:[object]
by Mohan Raj on Mar 30, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
Mr.Tiwari ,I would like to state that I have not availed of the quota system for any of my accomplishments,though my Dad did make use of it for doing his diploma . I would have been tilling fields in a remote village in Tamil Nadu if my Dad had not got that seat and he would not have been able to go to school on a regular basis if the government of the day had not provided him mid day meals in school. The push that my Dad was given thru this affirmative action has made me come up to this status.
And for your information I am a project manager in the country's #1 software company and I have been solely promoted to this position based on my merit. But I owe everything to that single act of affirmative action that my Dad received.
Unless this society becomes a level playing field ,affirmative action aka reservation should continue.
RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by Neo on Mar 30, 2007 01:52 PM Permalink
Your dad was poor and he got this affirmative action. It was the correct thing. All that we say is this!
1) Give maximum weightage to Poverty and not to the caste. If the kids parents have enough money to give him a good education, and yet he is a vagabond, then such a kid does not deserve reservation.
2) Poverty affects everybody. If the kid is a poor Brahmin, is it his or her fault that he or she was born one? How does this kids poverty not compare in the same way as yours or your parents? Even such kids should get access to same reservation.
RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by always_right on Mar 30, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
Just a simple question, the villege you belog has only OBCs? Don't you think all the forward caste people from your villege should have got the same opportunity as your father got? Do they not need similar affirmative action?
RE:RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by Mohan Raj on Mar 30, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
Yes My village had a sprinkling of FCs among a plethora of OBCs and SC/ST . The FCs owned most of the lands and they were economically well off and their children studied in the best schools in the district .How could my Dad studying in the village school ,where no FC children studied ,compete with them without affirmative actions?There was also one priest family that took care of all our religious needs . But they catered to more than 25 villages around the area . They were better placed economically because of this . The demographics of my village are a microcosmic sample of the Indian nation .
The rich/poor divide is mapped to the caste system in this country with a few notable exceptions.
But I agree with you , if that Iyer(Priest) was not rich his son should also deserve the same facilities as my dad .
RE:RE:RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by always_right on Mar 30, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
so basically its a problem related to providing good basic education and not giving reservation in higher education and jobs!! It has nothing to do with your caste, though it may be common that lower caste people are generally poor, but the problem is not their caste. What we need is the awareness among the backward people (to whatever caste they belong to) to go for better education and its govt's duty to provide best of the facilities in rural india, instead of irrespective of the quality of the human resources, allow non deserving candidates the seat which requires some basic quality. I fail to understand the logic
RE:No Alternative but to continue with affirmative actions
by prakash iyer on Mar 30, 2007 01:44 PM Permalink
Hey Mohan Raj
Good observation but try to understand one thing thi quota system is not goingto change the fate of upper caste they almost very small percentage but majority of those are very well educated and they have enough money to go abroad and study well or foreign university.again their kids will be more qualified than these people and again they will rule the society even with minority of the population.
coz they know to change them according to the situaiton not like others..thats why still they are in all the positions.consider if indian govt reserver all the seats still they will rule how do you know ???
with in that time all the govt offices will eb privatised and MNC will recruit only proper qualified people and again these SC/ST will be in trouble..
just think earlier so many govt jobs so FC controlled now its more MNC still they are the most..and after some years fully MNC's so they will after a stage govt will stop putting pressure for reservation coz it will be like trade unions in india...just like calcutta nandigram...govt will change the policy automatically they cant stick with this policy after a stage govt will give freedom to select the candidate with high marks so whoever joined the IITS with quota they cant reach that level and they will go back so let them compete if they are more intelligent then let them fight with FC and show Challenge its not possible man....coz Lion is always Lion even if you put it in the cage it king.....dont wory FC compete and show the capacity.we can put quta system on cricket team also and u can enjoy RANJI Worldcup(indian Statecup)ok....
The ultimate solution is 100% reservation in Govt institutions for SC/ST/OBC people.
All will be happy. The rich upper caste people can happily migrate to US/UK/Aus and the poor upper caste people to Bangladesh/Nepal/Iraq/Afganistan. Heard there are lots of requirement of good skilled man power in Iraq & Afganistan.
Karunanidhi, OBC means Other Backward Class and not Other Backward CASTE! OBC reservations are based on the fundamentals of ECONOMIC condition of a Person and not as a bulk Reservation for any Caste. It was only SC & ST reservation that was based on Caste, coz those populations were traditionally shunned in India. Adding Groups like Lingaayats, Gowda's in Karnataka, and Jats in Rajasthan shows what a farce this reservation for OBCs has become. These communities that I stated above are more rich than even the upper castes in those states. Add to that the fact the Rich amongst the so called castes identified as OBCs are not even eliminated from this "freebie", it clearly shows what kind of vote bank politics this reservation is all about!
Recently I read that this guy Kalanidhi Maran who owns Sun Network is a billionaire. Now any OBC in this forum, can you tell me why such a rich person deserves reservation? And if he can get reservation, then why not a POOR but meritorious Brahmin Kid from Tamil Nadu?
RE:OBC Reservation
by veer singh on Mar 30, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
idiot, did kalanidhi ask reservation for his son?but he will fight for reservation for downtrodden. just because one man in crores of oppressed communities is a millionaire,should the whole community suffer?just because one brahmin is poor,all brahmins should enjoy every benefit in the country?
RE:OBC Reservation
by veer singh on Mar 30, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
hellow (always right) who pays for whom?u upper caste are getting educated by our wealth.u r getting higher education by government money,which belong to the whole population.,majority r backwards.u uppercaste ,u start ur own colleges,and run with ur own money.who is going to ask resevation in that?but when government starts and and funds educational institutions,how can u garner all seats in the name of merit?it is outright decoity.our share of wealth shud benefit us
RE:OBC Reservation
by Neo on Mar 30, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
Its not who asked reservation, it is why should he get it in the first place! No one asked any community be given favour, we are demanding equality. Why cant you OBCs study and achieve something in life? You guys dont want to do any hard work and yet enjoy life coz you were born a Backward class... You OBCs will remain one!
RE:OBC Reservation
by ramu on Mar 30, 2007 01:21 PM Permalink
HEY U SAW A PARTICULAR NEWS CHANNEL YDAY RIGHT!!!!! U HAVE'NT EVEN CHANGED THE WORD MAN... GR8
While CM told that on Mullai-Periyar issue, the Keral govt should follow the S Court verdict, then why now he is not respecting to the verdict on quota?..It seems kali yuga on the peak, so In this yuga, these ASURARS/demons should be...what to do...GOD even don't touch them..its tiring, both hands & mouth are paining...
RE:I think no need for Supreme court...
by seshasayee on Mar 30, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
Rightly said. This has been the double standards of teh Dravidian parties. Unfortunately even a party like Congress which is expected to be nationalistic ion its approach, cannot oppose such irrational thinking. What an ironical coalition rule we have!
RE:I think no need for Supreme court...
by veer singh on Mar 30, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
all along the centuries,the innocent asurars were projected as evils, by the greedy invaders(aryan gods).now on,asurars have asserted,and will rule this country ,and destroy the gods(real evil forces)
