RE:My View! by ashish bhalla on Mar 26, 2007 09:28 PM  Permalink good effort vishit...all i can say is even after 60 yrs if this country's people cant rectify their governments then i dont see any real reason not to jump the bandwagon and grab the elusive green card. n i have cast my vote in and every single election to try and make a difference and difference i have made yes by voting for more and more murderers and rapists to our parliament. i wonder how many people convicted of rape and murder will be a part of the senate in the US. yes they too are corrupt but they do grab the money after they give the public its due. and well they do honor their scientists and educators which in no way kids your age do that here in MY country. when they go to work they dont have to bother about their travel tickets, gas, atta, dal, chawal. you know the small things in life. they have better things and important ones to think about. they do have people running guns and drugs but then its upto them to find their way out of it. they dont reserve seats for the blacks or hispanics or other ethnic minorities they treat them on par. yes they are racists but at the end of the day if you have the guts to stand out of the croud then you do get your due.there isnt any place for an also-ran in that society.for getting a ration card a black robably doesnt have to bribe anyone. to get a cat out of the chimney a policeman even helps a black woman. i wonder if you were shot in your place how many guys from your police station would come to really help you.they also gained independence from the british and they too had independent states which were brought under one single banner but they are people who for one take pride in their nation and they dont ape anyone outside their country. they are people whose lives run by the clock and are always on time. not a second late for a meeting or an appointment. give the devil his due man it is a great country without doubt and going there to study shouldnt raise too much of a dust. else people from our top echelons of the science community wouldnt have made it their home. i dont think anyone is being greedy when it comes to getting educated its only a matter of escaping an oppressive society. think of your education being scuttled by mr arjun singh and his likes after you spend all your money in coaching centres and come out a pauper even after clearing your IIT and what a scar it leaves on your psyche. its to be experienced to be believed my friend take it from me.what india are you talking about? you are DEFINITELY off-track maybe you havent been on the track at all.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 09:40 PM  Permalink Well, Mr.Bhalla, I didn't mention but after passing my year 12, I have lived and studied in Australia (since 2002)! So, my views are not out of ignorance, I have experienced the two sides of the coin. Anyways, I don't care, I have completed my education and am definitely coming back for good.Atleast I'll try to make a difference (however miniscule) so that I can look into anybody's eyes without any guilt. Maybe you have suffered enough, so I don't have the right to sayanything against you. But difference would be made because I am sure there are people like me (and a lot, trust me on that, courtesy our billion figure).    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:My View! by SUKANTO BHATTACHARYA on Mar 26, 2007 10:18 PM  Permalink I think you are coming back because you didn't get an Aussie Permanent Residency visa - plain & simple . So please stop talking about sour grapes.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:My View! by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 10:24 PM  Permalink Hey Brother i am a permanent resident of Australia! I can live and work anywhere and whenever I want too. Sorry, but my thinking is not governed by the lure of dollars!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Mar 26, 2007 10:04 PM  Permalink I dont think an American will think ill of a migrant. They are a country of immigrants who left their home countries in search of better opportunities elsewhere. After independence, a number of German immigrants came to the US to escape religious persecution and get out of their miserable life as the dregs of German society and start anew. The potato famine brought loads of Irish to America in search of a better life. So, no, Americans or Canadians wont think any worse of an immigrant. There's also more to it than money. India cannot offer some things at this time. Research is virtually nil in India. This is especially true in Engineering - computer science has a bit of it in the form of MS research and perhaps google. Furthermore, dont people move from Bihar to Bombay instead of trying to make bihar a better place? Why do they give up so easily on the state that they grew up in and took care of them? It isnt about disowning anybody. Yes, some do it for money, some do it for intellectual reasons. Whatever be the case, I see it no different from a bihari rickshaw driver in Bombay. Or the udipi restraunt owner. Or the Gujrati kirana shop owner. If you think you can make a difference, please do so by all means. But do it first, before you judge others.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by Mahesh on Mar 26, 2007 09:20 PM  Permalink if you are given the following two options to select for your job, which one would you select.. 1. Rs. 90 lakhs salary per annum car house good responsibilities 2. Rs. 9 lakhs salary per annum - bad traffic - bad roads - income tax - corruption whenever you deal with govt offices would you still prefer second at that point in time? (It is OK if your age is more than 65 or so, and are very much emotional with India) Mera Bharat Mahan!    Forward   |   Report abuse
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RE:My View! by hello on Mar 26, 2007 09:27 PM  Permalink I told that I am off the forum, but didn't tell avoid replying!!! 90 lakhs is not true figure!!! We need to compare both figures after expense!!! But any way, appreciate your thought to get world knowledge and if get chance try to apply some to India too like others!!!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by yakkala viswanadh on Mar 26, 2007 10:18 PM  Permalink I prefer the second one. India is going to rule the whole world in the future. Then I will be happy to find a minuscule part of my contribution in it. Mera Bharat Mahan    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by vij on Mar 26, 2007 09:57 PM  Permalink that idiot,arjun singh, should canvass for obcs,scs,stc,etc for GCs nd HB1s.. and i hope he succeeds..this is his final chance to really do some service to india.. atleast some load will be off the slogging open-category candidates..! look at the medical profession- the best of students get into medicine from open stream, then they are discriminated against, all rules favouring the so-called "backward" "castes"; why would hard-working people want to live in India, where they re given neither respect, nor money, nor peace..well, its better that these people go abroad, even if only for money. INDIA,NOW,QUALIFIES AS ONLY BEING A PIECE ON HTE EARTH WHERE WE WERE BORN. BUT TODAY, INDIA GIVES NOTHING TO THOSE WHO REALLY WORK HARD. PATRIOTISM WONT FEED STOMACHS. BETTER LIVE A MATERIALISTIC LIFE IN COMFORT; BETTER THAT HARD WORK GETS ATLEAST MONEY IN RETURN, IF NOTHING ELSE!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 09:26 PM  Permalink Well, people go to do their master there (I mean the good people who go to good schools) because we dont have any real masters/PhD programs here. I agre about making a better India etc. - but you just cant match the graduate education in the US. After the education, they way you are treated is another matter.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:[object MouseEvent] by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 09:28 PM  Permalink 90 laksh per annum stuff. What do you do mahesh? Most Americans dont earn that kind of money. Let alone indians. Esp. those going on H1 or normal F1 visas.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by Manny on Mar 27, 2007 12:12 AM  Permalink You are not seeing the big picture. Europeans travelled and took over large globs of Land. The Americas, Australia, NZ and what not. Do you know the size of CA and the 25million population living there? Its time Indians move and take their share of the land. India has enough people. To say..that they all should stay in one crowded land is bizzare!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by Farhan Shaikh on Mar 26, 2007 09:37 PM  Permalink I agree.but look around,education institutions in India except for very few, have definitely deteriorated over last 10-15 years.The college from where I did my MBBS and MD is not the same!the govt.hospitals and medical colleges run by govt are in sorry state of affairs, anybody will tell you that.I dont know about other specialities.But the govt is overflowing with corruption.and that is so evident in education system in India.I wish what you said would be possible, but this country is moving towards a breakdown..IT boom and India shining are false compaigns...just look around yourself,last 15 yrs,the traffic is worse,pollution more,basic amenities scarcier,more violence,more corruption,deteriorating juditiary,non existant law & order.After slogging our kids for 12 years in schools do u want to admit them in those rotten institutions?    Forward   |   Report abuse
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RE:My View! by raghu mudhivarthi on Mar 26, 2007 09:19 PM  Permalink Hi Vishit, I completely agree with you. I am at present in US, and i see a lot of people here embarassed of coming from india. " I am not a typical desi" or "stop being a typical desi" is what i hear a lot of times here. Most of my friends think its their bad luck that they werent born here and instead were born in India. People might say i am being hypocritical staying in US and talking like this but... I dont see a point of coming to US anymore (may be for MONEY).. may be thats a good enough reason ... but certainly not a good enough reason to run away from your country....I agree there are some drawbacks in india but nothing is perfect as you said and I bet US has many drawbacks too....Its just that there are more resources here.,more because its just been may be 400 years that the resources here have been used...I would like to see what US would be like after resources being consumed for 2000 years... Anyway good too read your view.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 09:30 PM  Permalink Thanks Raghu! I myself studied in Australia for 4 years. And you have hit the bulls-eye because the Indians in Australia don't want to be called an Indian. I don't care- I will definitely do something worthwhile (to hell with losers) for my country even if it's on a miniscule scale.Atleast then I can see into anybody's eye without any guilt! Thanks    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by irshad hussain on Mar 26, 2007 09:38 PM  Permalink I do agree with you, i was in australia for 2 years, and they think that INDIAN are poor and they are wvery where in the world because of money.but the fact is INDIAN no matter what job they are doing in western countries, they are making enuf money to live a good life.They are able to support their parents. Everyone says INDIA is booming, even i used to read on websites about INDIA, thats y i lEFT SYDNEY and came back, now i see the truth HOW INDIA IS BOOMING,I SEE ONLY TOP LAYERS PEOPLE HAVE INCREASED, THEY HAVE MADE SO MUCH MONEY AND PUT IN THEIR BANKS, there are still poor suffering, and middle class are the worst hit, only rich have become more rich. except IT whyrn't salaries of people increasing, y are security people paid only 4000 rs and made to work 15 hours a day, why are labourers not being paid good money, If India has to improve it has to be improved in all directions, not just IT people. And above all these Politicians, i dont understand what are tehy gonna do by keeping 100 of crores inbuilt some bank and able to spend,y dont they spend some for poor. I had come back to India last month with a hope to do my own business as i have done MBA with International degree plus experience, but here IF U DDONT HAVE CRORES of rupeed Influence, u cannot open a good business, the way INDIA has become so expensive, I think Australia is cheaper because every person makes good money and afford to spend it, but here in India, people make Black money and put it on Lands and put in Banks, and these International company had made India to touch prices to the sky. How do u think Average people can live a relaxed Life? can you answer it?    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:My View! by Ashish Pade on Mar 26, 2007 09:24 PM  Permalink With the type of headline this news has,it is going to attract more people who desperately wants to leave india. And so the comments on news will follow. But my friend there are certainly more people who wants to live in india and DO GOOD than who wants to leave. We will make India "better place to live".    Forward   |   Report abuse

RE:Now globe has become village by ashish bhalla on Mar 26, 2007 09:13 PM  Permalink bhaiya shahbaz they will never come india because we allow people here to profess a retrograde religion like islam. in country like ours which has so many muslims telling us not to impart HIV/AIDS education in our society how do you think we will be able to teach our own children. let alone foreigners...well yea u too are a foreigner of sorts i must correct myself.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Now globe has become village by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 09:31 PM  Permalink A guy named shahbaz talks about global citizenship and mixing of cultures. And you abuse him assuming he is some kind of fundamentalist. So you probably also agree with christian evangalists in the US who think Hinduism is devil worship and that all of India is stuck in the dark ages. Grow up man...    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Now globe has become village by irshad hussain on Mar 26, 2007 09:44 PM  Permalink Buddy do not try to go OFF track,please and dont try to put these kind of messages on the blog    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Now globe has become village by abhi sri on Mar 26, 2007 11:12 PM  Permalink I totally agree with you guys......... Bhalla ji its not about which cast ur from (Hindu , Muslinm or sindhi) its about how much knowledge and wisdom U have and from the last message u posted refuting Shahbaz who was making a better point than the crap u just threw out. Actually proved how good ur and how good shahbaz is.    Forward   |   Report abuse

RE:Proud To be Indian by hello on Mar 26, 2007 09:04 PM  Permalink Small corrections, Not only Indians, Asians too!!! Whites develop, the asians extend their functionality!!!    Forward   |   Report abuse

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RE:Foremost reason by VP on Mar 26, 2007 09:44 PM  Permalink I shall do that and for heaven's sake please learn some English grammar. "you loose a your girl against some NRI" , dude please don't come here it's because of guys like you americans conclude every Indian is a retard!!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Foremost reason by yakkala viswanadh on Mar 26, 2007 10:48 PM  Permalink Oh VP!!. Are you saying not learning proper English makes the English to conclude us retards?? Grow up man. Does Learning English makes any difference?? If it does, then I won't hesitate to treat you as a retard who concerns about useless grammar mistakes. And to add, who cares their views (Americans)? Might be you..After all you are a slave. Mera Bharat Mahan    Forward   |   Report abuse

RE:Dear Friends... by yadav on Mar 26, 2007 08:39 PM  Permalink seems ur in US, then why the hell are u living here, why dont u go to India and live there. U hypocrite, u work here and earn American dollars and criticize it, U r a thankless guy.    Forward   |   Report abuse
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RE:Dear Friends... by Rapid Snail on Mar 26, 2007 08:38 PM  Permalink Don't know how to spell "article"(artical??), but wise enough comment on the problems of American education, eh?    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by blue wrox on Mar 26, 2007 09:17 PM  Permalink "Don't know how to spell "article"(artical??), but wise enough comment on the problems of American education, eh?" Eh ameriki dude.Learn grammer first before rediculing others.    Forward   |   'Report abuse' disabled by moderator
RE:Dear Friends... by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 08:38 PM  Permalink After reading the comments from Mr.Uma Shankar (below), I felt really dissapointed. I mean people are giving the message to the youth to migrate!!!! He states that this thing should be inculcated at a very young age. Wow! Good to hear your point of view. Sometimes when we look around in our country and see so many people scrambling for materialistic gains, ready to board the first flight abroad at any given chance, one's belief in the whole concept of "We" is shaken. But then you read comments from people like you and then I realize that not everybody is on the same boat. Inspite of the escapist nature of our people, there are right things that are happening to this country. Good on you!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by UmaShankar SathyaKumar on Mar 26, 2007 08:49 PM  Permalink VISHIT Kumar, Those who want to get better in life, will eventually move to any part of this world and they have the right to do so as long as you are qualified, skilled and passionate to do so. People don't always go to make BILLIONS abroad. There are several reasons. In a globalized world, Indians working abroad will benefit India. Don't mistake me. I will promise you this the case.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Mar 26, 2007 10:15 PM  Permalink Haha... Vi Si, you are really, really funny. You say Indian Education system is the best and spell article as artical. They you say Immigration system is so worst... (I mean, these are not typos.) Clearly the Indian education system didnt help you too much, or perhaps you didnt really finish your education, oh oracle of all things American.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by hello on Mar 26, 2007 08:39 PM  Permalink I know people get scholarship, internships & can study in US a quality education at much cheaper price. Of course, they have to do some work too while studying & pay for expenses. But when you study in USA, when you see the money spend, it will be negligible when compared to the quality of study!!!    Forward   |   Report abuse
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RE:Dear Friends... by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 11:18 PM  Permalink Who you talking to subbu?    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:[object MouseEvent] by abhi sri on Mar 26, 2007 11:22 PM  Permalink i guess to me    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by abhi sri on Mar 26, 2007 08:58 PM  Permalink hey all, usually i dont post anything in rediff as most of the articles and comments are bullshit. but as I am currently in US, so I would like to comment on this article: First of all on vi si: I totally support the comments made by him, in US education is the third bigest industry and there clients are people from India and china and the delgations that come to india to get bright students are just the Sales people of the universities whose products are not doing well in market, so BEWARE OF THEM. On Rapid Snail: These delegates are actually looking for peoples like you who have the brains of dinosours, people who concentrate on typos more than the real message,who just think that US is the land of dreams and can come to US and all there problems will be solved, but dude ur up for a big surprise. Yadav: its better u guys come come to US as thats the only way india can develop and US can go down and try to get some reservation here as well for Hello: the point is the university that gives high quality education are pretty less in US and to get in there you must be a pass out from IITs forget about funding. Most of the people study in other universities which are some how affiliated to these big universities but they dont have money to support the students. In the End: If u r good enough u can get in IISc or IITs or IIMs and these institutes provides you much better education as compared to Most of US institutes(Except MIT, CMU and IV league coll), I came to US because I was not good enough to make to these institutes. India is shining help it to shine more .    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by Anil Kumar on Mar 26, 2007 09:35 PM  Permalink I liked the collective reply from your side given in a very decent tone. Myself a IITB Masters currently in Singapore for higher studies on Scholarship wish to come back after the education is over to contribute at my level. India has really very good quality education institutes which are not even matched by many foreign Universities and institutes. Guys have faith in ourself. We are recognized and respected because of our education. Have faith in it. Help in making it better our country a better place. It is gaining the right momentum, lets us make it a sustained one with our collective efforts.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Mar 26, 2007 09:51 PM  Permalink Abhi Sri, I dont agree with what you said at the end, that IITs are better than MIT,CMU and Ivy league schools alone (I assume you mean MS/PhD and not undergrad). I can list a load of state funded schools in the US which are better than IISc and IIT... here's a short list: UC Berkeley, UCLA, Univ of Texas, Austin, Georgia Tech, Univ of Illinois, Urbana Champaign, U of Michican Ann-arbor etc. Some schools that are private and not Ivy league: Stanford, CalTech, USC (good for PhD). I would say, IISc is the best India has, and is comparable to a good school in the US. IITs, nowhere in the same league as the list you and I mentioned for MS/PhD. The main thing for research is $$$$, to attract students and faculty, as well as set up facilities, and that is lacking. It is also true that it is easier to get into a foreign school than it is to get into IISc. And for that, I blame the system. As always, India judges people on what they know, while the americans judge people on what they are capable of. In other words, Indian sarkari institutions judge people based on the ability to take exams, while the americans consider other stuff as well (a bare minimum GPA, and then other stuff). I think the system needs reform. If you dont believe me, ask anyone in the IIT undergrad about what they think of their own school's MS and PhD program, and about the students in them. There's this joke I read about a guy being interviewed and he said "I've graduated from the top 25% in all my exams, and I've always done well academically. I dont know if it's the economy or just me, but there doesnt seem to be a market for someone who is an expert at taking exams".    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:Dear Friends... by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 09:55 PM  Permalink Agreed Maximus. How may Nobel prize winner have done their work at the IIT campus? How much fundamental research goes on there. Forget that - how many problems which plague India have been solved in its labs? Agreed IIT Btechs are good, we respect that. But saying IIT is better than MIT, CMU, UC Berkley is a joke... IITs just provide the body count for universities like this. And many other students from around the world come to these institutions. Nobody but Indians do their real research or PhDs in IIT.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by abhi sri on Mar 26, 2007 10:57 PM  Permalink Dude first of all i never said that IITs are better than MIT,CMU and Ivy league schools,nd the list of colleges that u have listed after that I agree with that list but can u site meone person who is not from IIT (Btech) got any of these colleges leave USC alone as its more about money in USC(I have done BS from a stupid coll and still got in USC just that I have to pay 50 laks as the fees). Mr Rax Raja: A question : R u in india or r u in US because if you are in US u might be aware of the technology trend in US and the fact that it is more inclined towards India. India now has biggest Micro Soft research center and the reason being , post 2000 the people from IITs coming to US dropped significantly as they were able to find good jobs in india, so in order to trap the cr3eame of inida who is still in india MS opened there research center in india, and this trend is followed by google, cicso , juniper, lucent ,goldman sachs, etc etc. As the creame of india is in india only and they r provided with the equipment the time is ripe for india to hit the bull eye that is NOBLE PRIZE. Now the research facility is there and we always had the brains and take my words on that , students coming from only 5% of the people coming from here are in search of knowledge nd rest 95% are coming here thinking that life in US is a cake ready to be eaten but believe me friends u need o cook the cake and its much easier to cook the cake in INDIA.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Mar 27, 2007 08:21 AM  Permalink Well, It is hard to get into the schools that I mentioned, but not impossible (Yours truly is case in point - not from NIT either, from univ of Bombay). Many of my friends have got into big schools (not counting USC, because as you said, masters is a money making business for them). Anyway, I met a guy who did MS from IISc and was hired for google research, but not in India, but US. The India center doesnt do core research, is what he told me. I understand it is similar in M$. In any case, what research does M$ do... they just copy Apple for most part. IITians have reduced going to the US, yes. Because many of them went to the US for the $$. Many of them now do MBA in IIM to do that. Their brand equity makes them demi-gods in India, so it is to their advantage to be here, versus the US, where people know about them, but not elevated to the status of MIT or harvard. Only those really interested in research (PhD) or core engineering come to the US. So, no... There's no real research happening in India. Only implementation/development. Intel does some of its research in Haifa, Israel but otherwise a lot of their research is in the US. Similar situation for IBM (Hardware and software, not sure of services), AMD, etc. There's a lot of hype but little substance in what comes out of these labs. Google was complaining not too long ago that it was having a hard time recruiting people in India for their standard programming positions due to a lack of talent. The education system needs serious revamping!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 11:07 PM  Permalink microsoft or google isnt doing any fundamental research in India. They also have centres in china, europe etc. I was not talking about mere software jobs and outsourcing. That is bound to happen due to cost arbitrage and here India with its low standard of living and teeming population will always have an advantage. I was talking about research and development. The kind which wins Nobel prizes and makes breakthroughs which improve our lives. Like MIT AI/multimedia labs. Not doing some small VJ platform development based on specs written in Redmond. To answer your question, I am in a happy situation - I am both in India and the US :) And dude, no Nobel prize will come out of India in the foreseeable future (I dont mean an Indian getting one after she/he has migrated to the US). It is like wishing that India will get more gold medals than US or China in the Olympic Games. Cant see it happening just by blind posturing...    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by abhi sri on Mar 26, 2007 11:20 PM  Permalink I agree it cant be seen in near future , but let me tell u that if you are talking about the fundamental research the MS is doing only core kernel level research in india, TIFR in bombay has a third rank in the world for Fundamental research and in civil and chemical fields the IIT khafraghpur is 10 in the world and as far as IISC is concerned i am sure u know what IISC is.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 11:30 PM  Permalink My man, I know what M$ is doing in India. Like I said doing visual J development is not 'core work'. Neither is adding features to vista. Nor is developing some tools for use in microsoft. And I dont really think you understand what I mean by fundamental research... Just giving some numbers dont mean anything. What real work has come out of any of the institutes you have mentioned. What real breakthrough has happened at these places - how many product companies have these places spun off. Very few - and these dont do well commercially or in research. Dont simply reel some rankings which mean nothing...    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Dear Friends... by abhi sri on Mar 27, 2007 12:25 AM  Permalink ya i agree that not much has come out but if v dontbel in our system and the thought process they will never develop. DRDO and ISRO would have never been able to make the SLVs if we would not have supported them. if v support our system then only they can grow, and we will be struck in this circle forever that is no facility->no people->no research-> no facilty we need to brake the chain some where . thats what my point is    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:Dear Friends... by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 09:10 PM  Permalink To Abhi: Well said-it's the rejected cases that are first in the queue to jump into the flight! (And no offence meant to you brother). The cream will want to remain in India. Good to hear comments like your's!    Forward   |   Report abuse

RE:WASTE OF MONEY by Ram prasad on Mar 26, 2007 08:20 PM  Permalink This is a good one    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:WASTE OF MONEY by Sudip Bhattacharjee on Mar 26, 2007 08:34 PM  Permalink This is not a good one. Wrong information. Studying in USA is much better way to start your future career than trying to immigrate to any European country. Europe is must costlier than USA, you will spend a LOT more than USA. The best option, in my opinion, is to be a student in USA, complete the study and get a OPT and then work for one yar, then convert to H1B and then workl for some year and then Green Card. None of the European countries provide an immigration with that ease.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:WASTE OF MONEY by UmaShankar SathyaKumar on Mar 26, 2007 08:43 PM  Permalink You seems to be CHAMCHA of US!!!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:WASTE OF MONEY by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 09:37 PM  Permalink H1, green card, citizenship. Not easy anymore dude. After your h1 finishes up in 6 years, you will be left high and dry. You will see :)    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:WASTE OF MONEY by Sudip Bhattacharjee on Mar 26, 2007 10:02 PM  Permalink You should apply for green card before your H1B expires. You can also get an extension of H1B if you have already applied for green card.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:WASTE OF MONEY by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 10:10 PM  Permalink Obviously sudip you are a first timer to this game :) Like I said, you will see... Anyway best of luck on your green card and citizenship hunt!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:WASTE OF MONEY by Raashid Baig on Mar 26, 2007 08:29 PM  Permalink Your comments are really good, thanks a lot for sharing.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:WASTE OF MONEY by hello on Mar 26, 2007 08:37 PM  Permalink This guy doesn't talk any good for Indians. Think about people who study in scholarship on how much they spend & how they study a quality education at what price in US!!!    Forward   |   Report abuse

RE:This is a good move for Indian Students by Kasarabada Sirish on Mar 26, 2007 08:35 PM  Permalink What do you'll think, all those who come on student visas are thirsting for knowledge? Nonsense! Student visa is just the easiest entry to get to a developed nation. I always keep wondering how come, so many Indians want to study now a days! Good luck lads!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:This is a good move for Indian Students by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 09:39 PM  Permalink Yeah well, the US also wants pliant, intelligent and obedient people to work like dogs without giving much trouble. So that is why they are ready to increase the number of student visas and come marketing to India. Nothing happens for free!    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:This is a good move for Indian Students by Rapid Snail on Mar 27, 2007 12:32 AM  Permalink What is wrong with doing hard-work to better one's life? And if the US is giving oppurtunity to do that work, why is that a bad thing? Ofcourse, they are not doing it for charity, but if it was not beneficial to the students also, why are their so many of them willing to go there? If India provided such oppurtunities, they wouldn't be looking to other countries in the first place.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:This is a good move for Indian Students by rax raja on Mar 27, 2007 12:42 AM  Permalink Nothing wrong with it. Just a caveat to people who may blindly be led by sweet talking bulls*it by some delegation out to sell their wares. Plus a student visa doesnt automatically mean guarenteed work or citizenship. According to US regulations you arent supposed to immigrate using your student visa. The problem with India is overpopulation. Because people breed like rats in India, they will never be enough opportunity for all Indians.    Forward   |   Report abuse