RE:Singur farmer commits suicide
by TSN Xumar on Mar 13, 2007 10:09 AM Permalink
Seems yr friend is asleep! But he has given u a nice name. Funny - but tough on you I guess.
RE:Singur farmer commits suicide
by Samik Nandi on Mar 13, 2007 09:31 PM Permalink
Just to put records dickhead - it has now been found that the old gentleman had quarreled with his son and taken his own life. The reports that his land was fenced off is apparently untrue - this has been admitted by the local Trinamool leader.
Sad End -
Guess this premkumar would be sad not by the death - but more by the way his trump card turned into a dud.
Why doesn't she expel Sadhan Pandey for praising the Tatas ! Doesn't she realize that the Tatas command a million times of credibility to the common people of India as compared to any politician !!
LOL - Good joke Samik. You must be a "REAL" economist. Are you doing justice by calling farmers as smart economist, who knows what is better? Who gave you the right to decide on their behalf sir? Are you in Singur and know the real struglle, before you point finger at others???
Isn't it a simple Logic? When there is protest, even after your Buddha baba, tried to control & oppress everything, clearly shows that fight is carried out by poor farmers???
You call me Commie when you are blindly supporting your Marxists Government? Funny Dude.
Also, you want employment oppurtunity developed in a land which is prosperous and cultivates thrice an year? Why not in a Barren land, you WB kinda economist? Why Mr. Tata is hell-bent on Singur? Can you explian? Also, can you answer why 997 acres of land for lesser output cars while Hondo in US makes twice the output for 1/3 land?
Isn't it bloody selfish of yours to think that you need employment while farmers can take a hike? Industrialization in place of Agriculture will not take India to development, only to destruction.
Coming to employment, you have any idea how many jobs it will create? Have you seen prior examples on these industries??? Also, Tata has only accepted around 50 youths in training now and none have them have been guarenteed jobs yet.
Well, you are after all doing loyalty to your corporate companies and so commie-turned-capi Govt.
RE:Singur no economic reform
by Samik Nandi on Mar 12, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
Dear LoveKumar
I must answer your questions before I retire for the day - after that your literary gems would miss my learned comments.
Are you doing justice by calling farmers as smart economist, who knows what is better? yes - farmers know what is good for them - a majority of them have sold out.
Who gave you the right to decide on their behalf sir? I didnt decide - the farmers decided themselves - they sold out - a majority of them.
Are you in Singur and know the real struglle, before you point finger at others??? I am at least near Singur - where are you????
Isn't it a simple Logic? When there is protest, even after your Buddha baba, tried to control & oppress everything, clearly shows that fight is carried out by poor farmers??? Ans: No all fights happen when Mamata and her entourage go there by cars. When they dont - it is by and large peaceful. There are stray instance - but minor.
You call me Commie when you are blindly supporting your Marxists Government? Funny Dude. Not funny dumbo - this is the reality - The Commie are adopting free market - and Mamata has veered to the far left. Her forums are now regularly attended by Naxalites.
Also, you want employment oppurtunity developed in a land which is prosperous and cultivates thrice an year? The price offered is more than what the land will give. The farmers know best - thats why they sold out.
Why not in a Barren land, you WB kinda economist? Why Mr. Tata is hell-bent on Singur? Can you explian? Because Singur is by a 4/6 lane highway that connects Delhi/Mumbai and Chennai. It is also near the railway line - with connects onto the planned freight corridor. Access to Airport would be easy once the 4 lane highway and new Hooghly bridge connect Airport to Dankuni.
Also, can you answer why 997 acres of land for lesser output cars while Hondo in US makes twice the output for 1/3 land? Because the idea is to setup a full autocomponent complex - not just the car plant.
Isn't it bloody selfish of yours to think that you need employment while farmers can take a hike? I didnt force the farmers - they sold. They knew best. Who am I to guide them?
Industrialization in place of Agriculture will not take India to development, only to destruction. WRONG - this had to happen.
Coming to employment, you have any idea how many jobs it will create? Have you seen prior examples on these industries??? YES - look at Pune - Telco and Bajaj spurred growth. Today it is called the Detroit of India.
Also, Tata has only accepted around 50 youths in training now and none have them have been guarenteed jobs yet. If they are good they will be - Bongs are good at this stuff -so dont prejudge
Well, you are after all doing loyalty to your corporate companies and so commie-turned-capi Govt. Communism is dead - Capitalism is alive - and it is natural for Commies to veer right. Only loonies like Mamata will go the other way.
I answered you point by point - now I am retiring - so long....LoveKumar - Make love not war.
RE:RE:Singur no economic reform
by Prem Kumar on Mar 12, 2007 11:12 PM Permalink
Again Samik, you are good at escaping than answering. When you have tried to answer other questions at least with some logi, even though untrue, but your answer to farmer's rights and decision is atrocious.
You just simply escape by saying that farmer's decided and it was their decision. You know as well as me that they have not accepted it by themselves but it was forced on them. Well, protest happens only when Mamta[i have no respect for her as a politician] or Medha patkar go because they need someone to support. When is that in India poor can stand up for themselves???
If not, Govt & Tata thugs have beaten them up and cowed them with their threats. Why are you by large ignoring this fact???
You are hell-bent on not looking into allegation that most farmers give up land only by threat of Govt. This is their sustainable livelihood Samik. None will like to loose it for petty compensation. Will you Samik?
You haven't answered what will that 900 odd families of poor farmers do? You are leaving their fate in air just by saying that they are smart. You cud have just said "what do I care?"
Anyway, you have shown your intentions clear on which side you are. Just know onething - argue like a gentleman without using cheap things like nick names or libelous.
If opening a 1 lakh car factory on 997 acres of "thrice a year" quality land can generate so much jobs as to lead to industrial revival of this state, economically choked and throttled by 30 years of communist anti developmental policies, one is tempted to ask why has Bihar which had the showpiece TISCO all along, not emerged as an economically developed state. Sadly for parroters like Samik Nandi, it is enough to parrot what is doled out by the communist party. Most importantly, he should know that if today the common man is wary of the communist's promise of development, it is because the communist's record of lying repeatedly on every issue of national importance is something they have not forgotten yet completely. official cheer leaders like Samik Nandi know this too well. But let him see the writing on the wall: this battle has gone much beyond Mamata Banerjee, it is and will be driven by the collective zeal of the common poor man. Much beyond the ambit of communist cronies like Samik. peace.
RE:Singur - an issue beyond politics
by Samik Nandi on Mar 12, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
Oh - by the way - I wish I was the official cheerleader - in that of course I would have enough money to retire - So I wouldnt have to bother about industry, development etc etc.
RE:Singur - an issue beyond politics
by Samik Nandi on Mar 12, 2007 10:22 PM Permalink
Seems you have a problem understanding English. So let me explain again for your sake.
FIRST: I Dont like Commies. I have mentioned that multiple times. So let me restate "Communism doesnt work".
SECOND: What I dont like about Mamata is that she has become a Commie.
THIRD: Being a Commie disliker I cannot be their cheerleader.
FOURTH: Jamshedpur is in Jharkhand
FIFTH: TISCO at Jamshedpur does a lot of good to the local economy. Why it didnt help Bihar ( and now Jharkhand) is because One "Tisco" is not enough.
SIXTH: Similarly one SINGUR is not enough. We need many more Singurs - this is the start.
RE:MAMTA -A CHEAP POLITICIAN
by Vineet Kumar on Mar 12, 2007 11:03 PM Permalink
Actually something is wrong with Bengali ppl, who always ready to fight. Like in case of Ganguly they made that matter a national issue and now Singur. Drop an atom bomb on Bengal.
Seems you have the issues confused. The reason why the car factory is important is because it would lead to employment and would help develop the industry in West Bengal. Whether the car produces a 1Lakh car or a 25Lakh car is not important - what is important is that many people will find employment in the factory.
Your assumption that the farmers are simpletons doesnt do them justice. The farmers are smart - they know which side of the bread is buttered - unlike armchair wild eyed commies like you. No wonder a majority of them have given up their land - taken the money - and enrolled for training and jobs.
The trouble at Singur is carried out by a minority of the farmers - and most importantly by politicians like Mamata. She has been joined by well-heeled commies living in Calcutta - often in upmarket apartments. Then there are people like Medha Patkar who travel 1000s of miles to create trouble.
Let us not be misled - the trouble and protest are planned and carried out by people who have not lived in Singur ( or for that matter any village) - neither do they ever plan to live in rural areas.
RE:Confusing issues
by anesimo fernandes on Mar 12, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
what has people like mamta and her likes done for betterment of people in bengal? i am surprised how naive and ignorant people are even today in a age where they can see what goes in the rest of the world.also, when marxists are dead and burried all over, how come they still survive in bengal? it is time central governmet intervenes where the public well being is concerned and charge people like mamta for antinational activiyies!
RE:RE:Confusing issues
by Samik Nandi on Mar 12, 2007 09:59 PM Permalink
Answers to your questions 1. What has people like mamta and her likes done for betterment of people in bengal? Ans: NOTHING
2. When marxists are dead and burried all over, how come they still survive in bengal? Ans: BECAUSE THERE IS NO OPPOSITION - MAMATA IS THE FACE OF SO-CALLED OPPOSITION. SO YOU CAN REALISE WHY SHE DOESNT GET ANY VOTES AT ALL.
In India we face one strange but unfortunate reality that our political leaders are highly non professional and they do lack the vision for time to come
RE:need of the hour
by Samik Nandi on Mar 12, 2007 09:20 PM Permalink
Agreed - and these politicians have created their own band of zombies who are marketed as "intellectuals".
So you have armchair idiots who call for war on Orkut. Ha Ha ! Give me a break love kumar!
RE:RE:RE:need of the hour
by TSN Xumar on Mar 13, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
Samik is right Prem - you sound like a wild eyed idiot. Win what?? And where ? On Orkut??? Give us all a break.
Oh! I find that Samik has given you a great nick name - you should be proud of it. I strongly suggest that you use that as your nickname - you will get a following.
All folks who rejoice at the word 'Economic reform', please step back and think for a second -- Whose Land? Whose Development???.
Why should poor farmers of Singur and Nandigram subsidize a cheap car for the upper middle class, who give a damn about these farmers?
Please know that it is not easy for farmers to pack their bags and leave to a different city[ for them it is an alien land as much as Mars means to you & me] and make a living there. They have been in that land all their life and all they know is Agriculture.
Now, you want these poor brethern of yours to go to a cosmo, sweat it out on manual labour for 14 hours a day for peanuts and live less then hand-to-mouth existence while you flaunt on your "new" small Tata car? cool, huh? Is this your love for your compatriots?
Any compensation you give will not sustain their livelihood. Mind you, this farmer doesn't know to invest in Mutual funds to reap benifits or invest in stocks. But it is his problem, why do we Care?
If you all believe Indian agriculture is in big crisis and we have to do something, please join "Youth for Farmers" in Orkut and let's work together.
RE:Whose Land? Whose Development???
by Shibaji Mukherjee on Mar 12, 2007 09:16 PM Permalink
were you sleeping when this was happening in other states.. just because its happening in WB you woke up
RE:RE:Whose Land? Whose Development???
by Samik Nandi on Mar 12, 2007 09:28 PM Permalink
yeah - this lovekumar must be sitting in Delhi - or for all you know US. Where do you stay LoveKumar - come clean my dear - come clean - where do you stay - Uttaranchal?? or do you work for Hyndai - or are u in US ???
RE:RE:RE:Whose Land? Whose Development???
by Prem Kumar on Mar 12, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
LOL - Good joke Samik. You must be a "REAL" economist. Are you doing justice by calling farmers as smart economist, who knows what is better? Who gave you the right to decide on their behalf sir? Are you in Singur and know the real struglle, before you point finger at others???
Isn't it a simple Logic? When there is protest, even after your Buddha baba, tried to control & oppress everything, clearly shows that fight is carried out by poor farmers???
You call me Commie when you are blindly supporting your Marxists Government? Funny Dude.
Also, you want employment oppurtunity developed in a land which is prosperous and cultivates thrice an year? Why not in a Barren land, you WB kinda economist? Why Mr. Tata is hell-bent on Singur? Can you explian? Also, can you answer why 997 acres of land for lesser output cars while Hondo in US makes twice the output for 1/3 land?
Isn't it bloody selfish of yours to think that you need employment while farmers can take a hike? Industrialization in place of Agriculture will not take India to development, only to destruction.
Coming to employment, you have any idea how many jobs it will create? Have you seen prior examples on these industries??? Also, Tata has only accepted around 50 youths in training now and none have them have been guarenteed jobs yet.
Well, you are after all doing loyalty to your corporate companies and so commie-turned-capi Govt.
RE:Whose Land? Whose Development???
by Samik Nandi on Mar 12, 2007 09:16 PM Permalink
Seems you have the issues confused. The reason why the car factory is important is because it would lead to employment and would help develop the industry in West Bengal. Whether the car produces a 1Lakh car or a 25Lakh car is not important - what is important is that many people will find employment in the factory.
Your assumption that the farmers are simpletons doesnt do them justice. The farmers are smart - they know which side of the bread is buttered - unlike armchair wild eyed commies like you. No wonder a majority of them have given up their land - taken the money - and enrolled for training and jobs.
The trouble at Singur is carried out by a minority of the farmers - and most importantly by politicians like Mamata. She has been joined by well-heeled commies living in Calcutta - often in upmarket apartments. Then there are people like Medha Patkar who travel 1000s of miles to create trouble.
Let us not be misled - the trouble and protest are planned and carried out by people who have not lived in Singur ( or for that matter any village) - neither do they ever plan to live in rural areas.
Everybody talks about industrialisation in WB. We should rerally appreciate the effrot by our chief minister. But so far nothing is proven about industrialisation in WB. State already aquired / planned to aquire land for industry. But so far not a single project is finished and running the show. Everybody is talking about plans. But there are incedents when state aquired the land and the project is now suspended and no body knows when it will be finished (e.g. a Motor Cycle plant in Uluberia by Salem). In my suggestion lets go for industrialisation but not at a go. We should wait and watch for few good industries and then proceed. I trust on our chief minister and few good ministers but I have no trust on commies. Just 10 month back they made protest at Kolkata airport for industrialisation (refer 'Go back American Capiatalist'). It can't be magic that they changed their view overnight.
