It's disheartening and disgusting to see politicians who have never really done anything for the country making the decisions about issues that people have laid down their lives for with no respect for the same. I had so much respect for Manmohan Singh as a visionary before, now he just seems so much like a puppet, it's pathetic. What age have we come to where the country's fate is being decided by an Italian. They should make it mandatory that for anyone who wants to contest elections should have served in the defense forces for atleast 3 yrs or something. Congress keeps on making mistakes and the nation goes on paying for it..for how long is this cycle going to go on? We're fighting a war for something that is ours for the past 60yrs because of a stupid leader who could not think. Brave Indian citizens are losing lives over dumb politicians mistakes and these sick politicians won't even value and respect those lives and provide for the families. God! Please help us!!!!
RE:Disgusting Politicians
by Purohit Shastry on Jun 26, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
Do not blame the congress alone ,the bjp is equally responsible. BTW the masses prefer to be ruled by an italian , a sikh and a muslim than the hate propagating nationalists.
RE:Disgusting Politicians
by srikrishna vempaty on Jun 26, 2007 11:29 PM Permalink
Do you know the reality Nehru has mismanaged the kashmir issue totally we are seeing consequences. in the agrrement he made rules that indians other than kashmiris can not settle there. since independence thousand of temples and hindus are pillaged in kashmir they congree didnot take action.on the other hand it kept them away from the press just because of want of votes. when we won war against pakisthan we lost many soldiers.our soldiers even went right in to pakisthan then they were asked to back up that is the value we give for our soldiers life. see what happend recently when palestinins captured esrail soldiers. carpet bombing was carried out. how many bombs blsted after 9/11 in US and in london that is care of citizens In india we are seeing bomblsts every day by ISI what did the govt do
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by RAJ KUMAR on Jun 26, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
Dear Radha
Siachen or area surrounding Siachen is nothing but snow (whether it is peaks/crevacs/passes. FOr the great Indian goverment this place is of no value. Remember Words of Nehru when china captured Ladakh he said " So what it is a desert and produces nothing". This is what is the attitude of Politician towards MAinland and who cares how many died fighting and one figures which i think will always remain disputed. There are thousands who died of inclement weather/snowbite/diseases and accidents. I am not at all surprized to see congress goverment attitude towards Siachen and Pakistan.But you cant blame this goverment. In India we have puppet PM as head of goverment and in Pakistan they have Puppet master president as head of goverment. With Pratibha Patil taking over as president it will be just an icing on the cake. God bless this nation. Soldiers like Lt. Pande and Capt Bana Singh will keep scrificing their life for the nation and these coward lot of politicians will never understand the sufferings/miseries of soldiers and their families
RE:Disgusting Politicians
by Omar Shariff on Jun 26, 2007 07:57 PM Permalink
when the bjp was in power why did not they order the indian army into pakistan or POK instead of starting bus rides! bjp never performed against pakistan . there were so many terrorist attacks like in akshardhan.
The last line - "thats the way we are treated in J & K" says it all. SHAME ON J&K GOVT. The patriotic secularist politicians in J&K esp. the CM - shame on you. You spend crores on your trips & visits & bungalows. You spend crores for appeasement of anti India Kasmiri muslims, but this for Mr. Bana Singh - shameful!! This is what is expected when the PM & the future President are foot lickers of Italians!!!
RE:The last line says it all
by Vivek on Jun 27, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
Mr Omar, I,m doubtful wether U r an indian who,s saying this, if u r then its sad - Or otherwise PAKIS enjoy licking American asses
Its a good piece of recorded information we got a chacne to read today otherwise we only heard about accession of kashmir or Maharaj agreeing to handover Kashmir to India. This kind of historical facts should be told to the new generation of india who still is ignorant about it.I being 52 yrs old came to know today abt Kashmir. India GOT kashmir with the wish n will of the then Maharaja of Kashmir so it becomes integeral part of India NOW. At those days India had some Kingly estates left which were ruled by the then respective Kings so was Kashmir. We also heard that Hydrabad King, being muslim dominated at that time, wanted to join Pakistan. But keeping in view the geographical location of Hydrabad it was not possible to give away Hydrabad or allow him to join Pakistan, then It was Sardar Patel who made it possible to merge it with India. From there Sardar Patel was nick named as 'Iron Man'
What I feel is that both stories are similar, in one case Hydrabad was forcibly merged with india & on the other hand Kashmir was willingly handed over to India by the then Maharaja.
good to see ur approach, admire it, we all should see facts and not have any convictions-- now a small piece of addition. as mentioned in the article about the attack of pakistan on kashmir 2 months into its inception-- all agreed but then starts the propoganda-- as a kashmiri we grow on folklores of the kabbali invasion of kashmir and they did everythin ecept loot and rape, my great grandmother who died about 15 years ago would tell us tales, then my grand ma wo passed away about 5 years ago reiterated the same, grand dad who passed last year reverberated the same emotions, as u may know the ruler was a hindu and he felt threatned that he will loose his kingdom and hence the treaty with india, and IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND the treaty was a standin one i.e not final he wanted to know the opinion of people before he signed the final declaration-- this comment has been erased and swept under the carpet-- also remember the first UN resoltion on kashmir was fully agreeded by both india and pakistan but yet has to see the light of the day--- we were promised a pelibisite under un observation which hasnt happened--- all we had rigged elections and 1989 was the end of our tether, as jammat islami had swept the polls with an thunder only to be rigged and the workers behind bars-- for ur information Salahudin (the hizb supremo)had won his election but he was put behind bars and his opposite number was declared winner.-- keep ur younger gen informed about these cruel facts
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by mubi rasool on Jun 26, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
so by ur definition, most of the parliament should be behind the bars and not to forget bal tahckeray, modi,thogodias and those---- do u have logic or i grossly over rated ur intellectual
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by arvind rb on Jun 26, 2007 05:55 PM Permalink
Even if what you say is true ... IT was not done by either center or hindus... I think national conference is predominantly Muslim ... Elections sometimes get rigged in Bihar or UP and else where also but no one takes guns and starts killing innocent .... infants and kids because an election was rigged
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by mubi rasool on Jun 26, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
Hi Arvind NC is far worse than it can be imagned, poll riggin is their invention-- but dont forget accession of ari singh to india has nothin to do with NC, infact sheilh Abdullah was behind bars at that time, since he was a strong advocate of accession to pakistan, only to remodel his idealogy afterwards and incurrin the wrath of kashmiris.dont forget riggin was not only the reason we took to gun, it was a puzzle in the bigger scheme of things. and to be honest we have always wanted our right to self determination,if pools were not rigged andjammat had come to power, thats precisely what they would have done and India feared that.no one like wars and killin, even we want to live in peace, our kids dont know what that it-- we kashmiris are the worst sufferers of attrocities day in day out but then again i say it on top of my voice we will continue this fight to its logical end by gettin our right-- tried ballot didnt work now givin bullet all the time in the world to acheive it-- and a mis notion among indians, we dont hate you, infact u respect most of u -- u r peace lovin but them u have black sheep every where and vice versa
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by m r on Jun 26, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
if we see the political scenario glabally, poll rigging has become a political fashion now a days & the situation which is now in Kashmir is like looking greedily in other's plate. This is what pakistan is doing to kashmir now. If we read the artical above we find that in King Hari Singh forces 50/50 ratio of muslims n hindus was there. Those 50% muslims started revolting against the king so king couldnt bear & he thought best to be a part of India n not Pakistan. Now this grudge in Pakistan's mind doesnt let it be at peace. They(Pakistan) think that they lost a golden opportunity or India snatched their chance of grabbing Kashmir. Here Pakistan is making big mistake by always having proxy war & keep disturbing the HEAVEN on earth. Also those muslims left (who revolted against the king) naturally couldnt bear their defeat so joined Pakistan & keep poising the peaceful mind of local people.
Thus seems the war against local Pandits n hindus got momentum & its like wild fire now, uncontrollable.
The muslims leaving in Kashmir should atleast, by now, should realise that Kashmir if a part of INDIA not pakistan, they should live like other indians be of any religion caste or creed.
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by m r on Jun 26, 2007 07:34 PM Permalink
Mr Rasool, perhaps u didnt read the link in the above report ....click the report n u know it.....first of all tell me.....r u first INDIAN or Pakistani...Please dont mix your Nationality with religion...leave aside what relgion you belong to.... click this link in report n see urself: "Indian troops were airlifted to Srinagar"
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by mubi rasool on Jun 26, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
good one, i am neither a indi nor a pakistani but a kashmiri, "born as a muslim proud to be a kashmiri" what next now, u got to be a joke to believe that kashmir was a 50 - 50 game had that been the case india woud have never gone to the doors of UN-
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by mubi rasool on Jun 26, 2007 07:42 PM Permalink
Mr M here u go and i quote the article "The Maharaja's forces were 50 per cent Muslim and 50 per cent Dogra" so first he is not talkin about the population and what the writer to tryin to say is 50% from kashmir and hence muslims and 50% dogras i.e jammu but remember there are muslim dogras-- so i dont know how u can reach the conclusion that he was talkin about the population. read and comprehend before u jump the guns.
again u talk about killin innocents and kids but ask ur self who kills them, indian army i ama livin witness to that, last night they killed three youths in bandipora loabellin them as militants and there parenats were shocked as they saw there kids were takin out of their houses in front of them and then killed in a fake encounter---- this is a day to day happenin in kashmir.now if u start talkin about pandits 99% of that was centre sponsored so that the masses of indian populace will hate us fo what we r doin-- i take responsibility for some attrocities that happened to them but similar attrocities were meted to kashmiri muslims by militants as well, as i said u have bad people everywhere. i have grown in kashmir and seen it all politics is a dirty game and it plays havoc with humanity-- also put that to the gross miscalculation og GOI in askin pundits to leave the valley
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by mubi rasool on Jun 26, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
shut up u joker, we r talkin about the reason we kashmiris resoted to bullets, india can be more democratic or pkistaaanfor all i care is 2 hoots, all i am interested in is seein the back of the hooliganist indian army from our streets, now if u cant discuss it with in this frame work dont bother puttin ur irrelevant paki bashin comments coz i aint interested in that. i only want u indians to know what has happened so far how promises have been broken and how media propaganda was unravelled so that people who know nothin about kashmir will start hatin us day one. why so far no UN resolution has been honoured (for ur info these un resolutions are jointed acknowledged by india and pakistaan)primarily amongst bein right to self determination under UN supervision.
Hats off to You Capt Bana Singh.I disticntly remember that the Quid post is now known as Bana Post.I have read this in one of the Marathi book writen by a retired Army Man. Prakash B
Hi every body,Greetings for the Day ! ! ! I love reading various articles on the net however, whenever there is a scope for jotting the comments it starts with something as ordinary as AB ends up with something as crticial as the "Quaid" post but there is one thing which is common, bash the muslims, doubt there commitment to their motherland (India), but ensure that the hatred continues, till the muslims continue to live inis great country. Any ways its the choice that you guys made but I pledge, being the supreme optimist that Iam, will fight till I die (even if that means shouting your self hoarse that we and let me speak on behalf of the entire muslim population) that we love our country as much as anybody. If you donot trust its your problem, people who had there loyalities for pakistan, already switched there nationalities 60 years ago, but my forefathers chose to stay here, and we are proud of the decision they took for us, because we know "Sare Jahaan Se Achcha Hindustan Hamara" . There is a case in point which I want to drive home, on this forumn, life is short and we have many peaks to conquer before we become a world super power, with around 20 crore muslim population, in our country (India) its a choice that we should make, whether to trust our truest love for our motherland and treat us like assets or hat us like always and dump us like a liability, its a choice that nation has to make keeping in mind the fact that "united we stand and devided we will be destroye
RE:I am back ! ! !
by Roje Jose on Jun 26, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
Dear Ahmad, I too stand with you. People always jump onto the generalization bandwagon and paint Muslims in bad light. This is so bad. 90% of Indian Muslims consider themselves as Indians only no matter all the fundamentalist organization tell.
Me too trust honest and straight forward people like Ahmad who fight for the right to be called as an Indian. Dont mind all those idiots who calls u a traitor just because of ur name.
We shud all work hard together to make our nation even more greater. Jai Hind
RE:I am back ! ! !
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 26, 2007 04:26 PM Permalink
All of you are praising each other but none is answering-" why a good person like Deepak had to run away from Pak and Why he cannot goback now.
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by Deepak on Jun 26, 2007 04:40 PM Permalink
Mr.Vinay we dont want to go back because we think we have better future in India.Even when their was no miltiancy after completting 12th class we used to do engineerign from difefrent parts of India.there was and tehre is no future for us in Kashmir.So please shutup and dont spread hatered fine.
RE:I am back ! ! !
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 26, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
But why your sophism is not understood by muslims in Kashmir/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Afganistan etc etc
Why good people like deepak were to run away feom kashmir
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by ahmad mehdi on Jun 26, 2007 03:39 PM Permalink
Call it suphism or whatever, however if people in places like pakistan , afghanistan etc. do not understand and preach hatred life knows how to draw a balance sheet thats why afghanistan is what it is today and pakistan is following suit but we have to decide should we sow the seeds of hatred or love in India ? ? ?
RE:I am back ! ! !
by preet r on Jun 26, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
I appreciate your views Ahmad:) but over here there is no muslim bashing and in a country of Abul Kalam azad,Ustaad Bismillah khan,Shahrukh Khan and Saniz Mirza..you cannot claim that all non muslim indians place doubt on ur liabilty..no we do not...we trust u n take u as our integral part. and we all no United we stand...:)) just keep the spirit up n remember this is great democratic repulic secular nation...n if we few section of ppl start bashing other communities..dat dosnt mean..evry1 meant that. I no majority of muslims are loyal 2 india as much as any Hindus are. Just keep the spirit up..n do not doubt that wen we bash pakistan..or Jinaah ..we bash our countrymen muslims...! no never...[:)]
I believe Kashmir is neither a part of India nor Pakistan. Both Pakistan & India are basically a nation of fragmented people , so it is obvious that distinct and ethnically separate races like Kashmir, North East & South India will not feel part of either India (dominated by north central india) or Pakistan (dominated by Punjab).
RE:A subcontinent of different nations
by arun singh on Jun 26, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
You are trying to mislead. Contrary to your argument, nations formed on the basis of diversity are much stronger than those formed on the principles of similarity. What happened to Pakistan which was created on the basis of Islam and its followers? It could not survive long whereas India, a country of diverse people, is going stronger day by day as a nation.
On few days back, a news swept across all the news channels 'Sanjay Datt relieved by the court'. 'Sirf Munna Not a bhai' '13 saal ka vanvaas khatam' 'alhough found guilty for possession of armory, Sanjay can breathe a sigh of relief as all the TADA charges against him are withdrawn'
And then many experts like Salman khan saying 'He is a good person. We knew he will come out clean' Mr. Big B, 'Datt family and our family have relations for years - he's a good kid. He is like elder brother to Abhishek'. His sister Priya Datt 'we can sleep well tonight%u2026it's a great relief'
In another news: Parliament was mad at Indian team for performing badly; Greg chapel said something %u2026..; Bomb scare in Gorakhpoor express; and Shah Rukh Khan replaces Big B in KBC and Sonia asked PM to consider reducing petroleum prices (I wonder who's the PM %u2026anyways that is not the topic so leave it%u2026) But most of the emphasis was given on Sanjay Datt's "phoenix like" comeback from the ashes of terrorist charges.
Surfing through the channels, one news on BBC startled me, it read, Hisbul Mujahidin's Most wanted terrorist 'Sohel Faisal' killed in Anantnag, India. Indian Major leading the operation lost his life in the process. Four others are injured.
It was past midnight, I started visiting the Indian channels, the ones who are 'Sabse TEZ', but Sanjubaba was still ruling. They were telling How Sanjubaba pleaded to the court sayin
It would be just like Our govt is sayin that body is ours but soul is somewhere else.
Soul of Kashmir is Kashmiri people and if we dont do something from them to make them feel they belong to us.Kashmir issue will go on.
Our soldiers will die and no one will remember them as we would be busy praising Sachin for making century and goig gaga over Amtabhs Next Movie.
I dont want to say that There is no fault of Kashmiri people,they are at very much at fault but if we call Kashmir as a part of India,then they are our brothers and it is we ,our govt taht have to bring them back on track.
I salute our soldiers with the bravery they fight terrorists but i am appaled to see our govt doing nothing.
I again say sorry to Mr.Vineet Gupta if i have offended his feelings after all we all are Indians.
RE:Sorry Everyone
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 26, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
I donot get offended. You are not the only one who is throughly confused. And Indians have to left their motherland be it Afganstan ( which was part of Indian culture during Chankya & ranjeet singh), Sindh, Punjab or Bangla and most recent is Kasmir. Very soon we are going to see the same in Assam.
Soft words and sophism look nice but it is no answer to hard reality. Kashmiri Pundit should learn a lesson from Isrealese who inspit of all odd could survive fro 2000 years. But I donot think with defeatists mentslity as displayed by Pundit they can ever go back to their motherland
RE:Sorry Everyone
by Deepak on Jun 26, 2007 04:42 PM Permalink
Why dont you go and live in kashmir and find it what is the difference between kashmir and Israel.it is good talking from here and saying this but facing is something different. You are comparing israel and Kashmir .Israel from the time it has born in a state of war and nothing is achieved,no soulution not yet.If you are so much impressed with israel why dont you go to kashmir and fight there man.If we have defetaist mentality then you are the citizen of that country which allowed it to happen.Did you come to help us that time.Why dont you go wiht your family and stay there.Then we will see.Such cunning mentality of people like you is what is called shameless Indians fighting for nothing,arguing for nothing,spreading hatred.you dont what it is means when you see your beloved dying infromt of you.We are inteloligent people(Kashmir Pundits) and that has been prooved time to time we are at top posts everywhere> Nothing is solved by war and hatred,as you consider the example of Israel.Those who consider thsi example as yours are actually very weak in mentality.When Kashmiri Pandits having suffered most have no proplems in eaceful soultion of Kashmir who are you to decide what is right and what is wrong.People like you can jsut barka nd do nothing else except hurting others,when time comes they show their backs and run away.I think everything should be done with love and in peaceful way.Alas our motherland has produced such sons like you.Stay out of it ok dont just shout.
