RE:Can a muslm answer this?
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 05:49 PM Permalink
Exactly...You got it absolutely right. If this life was the end of everything then this is a great injustice.... There has to be a life after death and justice for everything that is not just in this life....Imagine people committing so much crime against other humans and dying without any justice being served towards them...so this life is just a very small life and the real life begins after death.
RE:Can a muslm answer this?
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
Dear Pankaj, This World is like a ATLETIC FIELD, you can see that Athlete in the Outer most Orbit will be in the First poition before begining of the race and the athlete in the inner most orbit will be in Last Position. The logic is by the end of the race, all the atheletes cover the same distance... But for a short sighted observer it might look like some people are starting early and some are lagging behinfd.. But the Truth is all have to cover the same distance.. Similarly it might look like some are Inferior with Deaf and Blindness... But they will be assigned with less responsibilities, but for people like us who are fit will have more responsibilites... We are answerable for all the Good things that we enjoy on Earth, so we must do the duty correctly.. Hope you understand the Visionary of Creator..
RE:RE:Can a muslm answer this?
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
"ALHAMDULLILAH" All the Creations of Allah are without Defect... All the Praise for Allah
RE:Can a muslm answer this?
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 06:45 PM Permalink
If all the muslims are born that way then too Gods creation is to be praised. God is never wrong.
RE:Can a muslm answer this?
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
A Blind Child will escape from the responsibility.. But you & me will be questioned for all the Misuses that we have done with our eyes... There will be a Greivious Punishment for our souls, if we have seen others wife with Lustful Eyes... But a Blind man will not have that Problem.... In God's Darbaar, the Equations of Good & Evil will be accounted with a great detail....
RE:Can a muslm answer this?
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
PROOF FOR GOD: Dear Pankaj, don't you feel that the Whole World is running in a Programmatic Fashion with great sense of Harmony... Sun Rising in the East and setting on the West.... Waves of the Ocean in Harmony .... Gravity applied for all the Beings ... The Complexity of Human Body .... The details of the Food Chain ...... My Question is which Artist set all these things in the right order... Why your Heart is beating in Rhythm for all the 70 Years of Life... There is a SUPREME POWER that controls this PROGRAM of this World and all Heavenly Bodies .... Many Saints tried to sing the Praises of this Almighty Power... Religion is the way to understand that Supreme Power... To understand the Greatness of GOD research all the Creations to understand the Creator... Hope I have given a Jist of the Experience....
Though at some point of time it took ugly turn but still it was very informative. My intention was never to hurt ant body but inadvertantly if I hurt anybody , I sincerely appologise
RE:Bye and thanks to Ibrahim, Pankaj,Abhinav, Mari, Detective
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
Thanks Vinay, Same from my side, I dont want to hurt any one... I am just sharing my knowledge... Good Bye Friend Peace
RE:Bye and thanks to Ibrahim, Pankaj,Abhinav, Mari, Detective
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
Gupta jee heart felt love for you. Thanks for discussing. We are all brothers in humanity. Thanks.
RE:Bye and thanks to Ibrahim, Pankaj,Abhinav, Mari, Detective
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 05:49 PM Permalink
because that is the only logical division. I believe in One God and you dont. So for me you are a non-believer. And I am a non believer for you.
What is the logic in dividing people as brahmins and shudra ?
RE:Bye and thanks to Ibrahim, Pankaj,Abhinav, Mari, Detective
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
Please do you research and provide me with some links that shows that Shias have a greater population than what I have mentioned.
RE:Bye and thanks to Ibrahim, Pankaj,Abhinav, Mari, Detective
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Can you give me any verse in Quran or Hadees that has the word shia and sunni. Any by the way 98% people are sunnis. So its not a big division like 50 50 in Christianity and multiple divisions in hinduism
What is Funny about this, 1) YES STARS ARE MISSILES TO HIT THE DEMONS.... DON'T YOU KNOW THAT THE EPISODE OF DINOSAURS ?? THEY ARE HIT BY METEORS FROM THE SKY... WHEN HUMAN BEINGS DO ATTROCITIES, THEY MIGHT BE KILLED BY THIS METEORS FROM SKY...
2) GARLIC/ ONION HAS A STRONG ODOUR, WHILE GOING TO PRAYERS, BAD BREATH WILL DISTURB OTHERS... WILL YOU GO FOR A MEETING AFTER TAKING GARLIC AND ONION ???
3) YES THERE IS A MEDICINAL EFFECT IN THE FLIES WINGS... DON'T YOU KNOW THAT MEDICINE FOR SNAKE BITE IS MADE OF SNAKE POISON ??
SCIENCE LAGS BEHIND SPIRITUALITY BY A LONG MILE, STILL SCIENCE IS STRUGGLING TO PROVE ALIENS.... THESE THINGS ARE DISCUSSED LONG BACK IN KORAN...
RE:ATTENTION DETECTIVE
by vamsi mudhivarthi on Jun 24, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
1) Find out the difference between stars and meteors.
2) I agree with you on garlic and onion smell, may be mohammad might have hated it.
3) I don'nt know wether there is a medicinal effect in flies or not. But i will not go near snake to get bit and take its poison as a medicine thats stupid
RE:ATTENTION DETECTIVE
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 05:55 PM Permalink
Dear Detective, Wait for some years of your life time, Science will tell you all these things... 1) Medicinal value from Fly 2) Stars Pulling Earth etc etc as I have told you SPIRITUALITY is advanced then SCIENCE
RE:ATTENTION DETECTIVE
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
Dear Pankaj, I am just giving example for Flying Objects.. Till now Human Brain has only founded the hitting of Meteors, who knows that our whole Earth may be puuled in the Gravity of some distant star.. As I have told you SCIENCE LAGS BEHIND SPIRITUALITY BY A LONG MILE,
RE:MOHAMMED IS STUPID IN SCIENTIFIC THOUGHT!!!
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
All these in Quran ? If you are talking about Hadees then there are many people who have written hadees and it is not a binding on a muslim to following anything from the Hadees that contradicts or is not confirmed by Quran. So can you please paste the equivalent from Quran so that I can follow all what you have said.
RE:MOHAMMED IS STUPID IN SCIENTIFIC THOUGHT!!!
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 24, 2007 05:24 PM Permalink
Mari, but Quran without Hadees cannot be understood. One has to take help of hadees to decipher Quran. Otherwise can you tell why hadees is required if everything of Quran is explicitly clear.
By the way, what will be done with sky and stars on the dooms day as per Quran
RE:MOHAMMED IS STUPID IN SCIENTIFIC THOUGHT!!!
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
Hadees can never be equated with the Quran. Hadees is mans word and is compiled by men. There are contradictions and some of the hadees have been disqualified as true. But Quran remains intact.
As for dooms day here is what Quran says.
Chapter 99 from Quran should throw some light on this. Mark the last verse which says 'anyone' not believers or non believers.
1. When the earth is shaken to her (utmost) convulsion,
2. And the earth throws up her burdens (from within),
3. And man cries (distressed): 'What is the matter with her?'-
4. On that Day will she declare her tidings:
5. For that thy Lord will have given her inspiration.
6. On that Day will men proceed in companies sorted out, to be shown the deeds that they (had done).
7. Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it!
8. And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it.
RE:MOHAMMED IS STUPID IN SCIENTIFIC THOUGHT!!!
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 05:31 PM Permalink
What is Funny about this, 1) YES STARS ARE MISSILES TO HIT THE DEMONS.... DON'T YOU KNOW THAT THE EPISODE OF DINOSAURS ?? THEY ARE HIT BY METEORS FROM THE SKY... WHEN HUMAN BEINGS DO ATTROCITIES, THEY MIGHT BE KILLED BY THIS METEORS FROM SKY...
2) GARLIC/ ONION HAS A STRONG ODOUR, WHILE GOING TO PRAYERS, BAD BREATH WILL DISTURB OTHERS... WILL YOU GO FOR A MEETING AFTER TAKING GARLIC AND ONION ???
3) YES THERE IS A MEDICINAL EFFECT IN THE FLIES WINGS... DON'T YOU KNOW THAT MEDICINE FOR SNAKE BITE IS MADE OF SNAKE POISON ??
SCIENCE LAGS BEHIND SPIRITUALITY BY A LONG MILE, STILL SCIENCE IS STRUGGLING TO PROVE ALIENS.... THESE THINGS ARE DISCUSSED LONG BACK IN KORAN...
The practice of symbolising attributes and knowledge as idols and pictures are so, as to have a greater reach and understanding. As a child (read the beginner), one can grasp better in forms rather than the abstract; as they grow (mentally and spiritually), and as their thirst for knowledge grows, they would endulge in such as would enable them to seek the supreme knowledge. The true seeker then is enlightened by THE TRUTH...
Idol worship and other such practices are like an attractive package for a good product.
Thus you see that Sanatana Dharma is a step by step process to know the supreme.
The end may be to reach the supreme in islam, but the crude method it preaches is fit only for primitives...
The manner in which you go about a job is more important thant the result... and that is Sanatana Dharma!
It is easy to say that somebody follows the supreme in its purest form, but that can be achieved only throught great mental control and practice.... and any muslim who claim that they do the above are pure.... pure hypocrites!
RE:Answers to queries on idol worship
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 05:19 PM Permalink
Come on...hahaha If idols are only for concentration then a black spot would do. Why does anyone need a lingam and a yoni ?
RE:Answers to queries on idol worship
by Sesh on Jun 24, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
Fine, if a black dot is your preference then you concentrate on a black dot, why question the choice of the other... it is not your right to do so.
This is the basic problem of islam... non tolerance...
Infact every religious books be it vedas,koran,bible or others written by individuas with collective effort.They devised methods and advise from their experiences.Since the time of trading people frequently travelled the world and also share knowledge or adapt to knowledge.that's why some similarity between all these books. Please don't think that it is given by god.(I expect educated in this forum understand this fact)
RE:The true fact
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 24, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
Yeah, I sure hope the divine connection is cut off and people start questioning all "holybooks" and adapt only what really makes sense in the current situation. God's name was used to gain influence. You have put it well, Sangu.
RE:The true fact
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 05:17 PM Permalink
Dear Sangu, Don't just Imagine things, the Divine Books are Unique... Mohammed (PBUH) is a Illiterate, only after the divinve guidance, he was able to Preach Koran.. Till 40 years of his life time, he was a normal man like you and me... He announced his Prophecy by the divine guidance of God... I know that you will not beleive it but any way I am putting the Facts...
RE:The true fact
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 24, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
For anything to qualify as facts, there should be proof. Appeals for faith aren't "reasons". Saying Muhammad said he is a prophet by divine guidance doesn't qualify as proof. Many people say many things, not everybody has to believe.
RE:The true fact
by marigold on Jun 24, 2007 05:24 PM Permalink
Sir nobody is forcing anyone to believe. Infact in todays world there is no muslim army invading any non muslim country or for that matter any country. So why are you so afraid ?
RE:The true fact
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 24, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
I am afraid of Islamic terrorists who think it is right to kill all "non-believers". They quote from quran and say they will kill/convert everybody else. Don't they? And please don't ask for examples of their killings, we have that going on at many places.
QUESTION: "What is Jazia as per Islam. Is it justifiable"
ANSWER: KNOW ABOUT JIZIYA... JIZIYA is the Tax Payed by Un-Beleivers in countries adopting Islamic Law...Many people think that the Jiziya is a Heavy Tax imposed on Non-beleivers of Islam. But kindly note that it is more compulsory for Muslims to pay a Tax.. The Fourth Pillar of Islam is ZAKAATH, it is also called Charity for the Poor. According to Shariat Law, it is mandatory for every Muslim to pay 2.5 % of his savings and Property for the Poor.. Which means if I have 100 acres, I have to give 2.5 acres as Charity... Since the Muslims have to Pay ZAKAAT, Jiziya is exempted for them.. For Un-beleivers Jiziya Tax is collected.. It is no different from the Normal Tax system... The only reason why Muslims don't pay Jiziya Tax is they are supposed to pay Zakaat, which is the responsibility of every beleiver.. Hope it clarifies... Jiziya...
RE:ATTN. VINAY GUPTA
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 24, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
why you divide your society between believer and non believer. What is non believer? Why donot you treat them equal. Why two different type of Tax? May be Zazia is better than Zakat.
Come on. Donot justify this discrimination. No civilised society will appreciate this system
RE:RE:ATTN. VINAY GUPTA
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
Dear Vinay, If you like it or not, all the Governments including India have a database of the Religions of the Citizens. India is having the record of Muslims & Hindus, does it mean that our governments in discriminating us ?? No .. It is for governing effectively and nothing else..
RE:ATTN. VINAY GUPTA
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 05:18 PM Permalink
Dear I am saying that if I have 100 acres I have to give 2.5 acres every year.....This is not less.. Indeed Jiziya is also nominal and your Projection of 40 % is a pure exagerration
RE:RE:ATTN. VINAY GUPTA
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
Excuse me Abhinav, There is no Compulsion for Spiritual Things, Fasting is only for the people who beleive, no unbeleiver is compelled for that... For Governance reason, the Tax has to be collected, it is not a Personal Issue, tax is a common issue...
RE:ATTN. VINAY GUPTA
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 05:37 PM Permalink
Dear Abhinav, In Gulf Countries nobody asks you to Fast, but you can eat in Personal space and not in Public that's it.... It is only to show courtesy for the FASTING people, it is a Human gesture... Will you play Rock Music on the ocassion of somebody's death??? It is only a respect to keep quite that is Humanity >>> Hope you understand
