RE:ALLAH, MOHAMMED AND QURAN!!!
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
Dear Detective Let me give you an example of your Stupidity.. Using Hindu Scriptures...
We all know MahaBharatha, Krishna asks Arjuna "KILL YOUR GRAND FATHER" can I Cut only that line from GITA and Conclude that, Hinduism allows killing of Grand Father ???
It is stupidity to just take a few lines here and there and come to a conclusion.. I have to read the entire GITA to understand why Krishna asks Arjuna to kill his Grand Father.. Similarly you have to read the Context of SURA in KORAN before Interpretations...
Good Attempt to Defame Islam, but Truth will not be Hidden and will grow Dynamically, irrespective of your comments
RE:ATTENTION DETECTIVE
by Dimension Four on Jun 24, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
i hope you get your headache, stomach pain, kidny/heart problem gets cured by only one medicine. regards
RE:RE:ATTENTION DETECTIVE
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
Yes Sir, If you have spiritual beleif, it will releive you from all Pains
RE:RE:RE:ATTENTION DETECTIVE
by Dimension Four on Jun 24, 2007 12:45 PM Permalink
so we should in genereal avoid the treatments offerd by allopathy, homeopathy, aurveda, unnani etc. thanks and regards dimension_4
RE:ATTENTION DETECTIVE
by JGN on Jun 24, 2007 12:22 PM Permalink
Where is god? Is there any conclusive proof that god exists? Do we have to believe in god just because some mentally deranged persons tell us that such a thing exists? There is no god either living of dead and the so-called prophets were just having halucinations. So there is no point in fighting in the name of religions, gods and so-called holy books.
RE:RE:RE:ATTENTION DETECTIVE
by JGN on Jun 24, 2007 01:17 PM Permalink
Dear Dimension, I agree with you. However there is no point in fighting in the name of religion, gods, etc.
How do you think you were born, how did you grow in your Mother's womb, after you were born how is that, you were grown up and how is your mind working now to tell against the SUMPREME Authority. How do you think the different types of foods you are eating are grown and after you eat them how do think these are digested, made blood, energy and then excretion. How do you think you are breathing, from where do you think you are getting the air, water, dont you see the starts, the moon and sun travelling the day the night. Is it all happening JUST LIKE THAT. You are getting older just like that and you will DIE one day just like that??? WAKEUP AT LEAT NOW and ACCEPT THAT, THERE EXISTS A SUPREME AUTHORITY, THE CREATOR OF THIS WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD AND YOU YOURSELVES, YOUR SAVIOUR TILL DEATH THAT IS ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY. Get some knowledge, see around you and try to accept ALLAH the ALMIGHTY GOD. THE SUPREME AUTHORITY.
RE:RE:RE:ATTENTION DETECTIVE
by JGN on Jun 24, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
Mr. Mujeeb, don't repeat the same old foolishness. There are scientific reasons and explanations for all those things. However there is no scientific proof for existance of a so-called Supreme Creator. If there was anything like that why he did not create an Aircraft, a ship, motor car or any other modern equipments like tools and machinery? Is there any mention of any of these things in the so-called holy books?
My dear gental man, please go through your own article and give me few answer ? Why there are jawan on both side of the mata mandir insteade of muslim yours brethern ? What steps are bening taken by the political leadership of any nature for the people like Chaman Lal who at this stage should not travel this long distance for offering prayers. Last but not leasst what expenses are being incured by J & K government for runing the camps at Jammu & Delhi for internal displaced hindus (i would not be using the term refugee as it would put all the indians ashemed for not taking care of our own citizens) and when they are expected to go back ? Please feel free to write me on dimension_4@rediffmail.com
RE:Reply to Mukhtar Ahmad from Srinagar
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 24, 2007 12:45 PM Permalink
you have raised a valid point for those who might carried away by the article. Why army on both side?
RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Dimension Four on Jun 24, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
ANSWERS TO I SEKHS ANSWERS : A1) cASTE SYSTEMS WERE BASED ON THE JOB UNDERTAKEN AND NOT ON THE LINEAGE INITIALLY, HOWEVER AFTER COMMING OF HOONS, GREEKS, MUGHALS ETC ETC THIS SYSTEM CONVERTED TO LINEAGE AND NOT ON THE JOB PERFORMED. PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE WAS 3 TIRE FOR INDIAN IN THE RAILWAYS BEFORE INDEPENDANCE AND NOW 3 TIER ACCOMODATE EVERYBODY IRRESPECTIVE OF CASTE/REGLIGION. A2) THIS IS AN ECONOMIC PROBLEM AND NOT THE RELIGIOUS ONE. EVERY PERSON OF LOW ECONOMIC MEANS IS FACING THE SAME TYPE OF PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE WORLD INCLUDING US, LET ALONE PAK OR BANGLADESH. A3) THIS IS TO DO WITH THE LOCAL SELF GOVERNMENT AND STATE GOVERNMENT TO LOOK AFTER FOR THAT, I FEEL NO ONE WOULD LIKE TO LIVE DIRTY OR IN DIRTY ENVIORNMENT WEHTHER THEY ARE HINDU/MUSLIM AND/OR ILLITERATE. A4) PLEASE TAKE A GOOD COMMENTRY ON KAMASUTRA PUBLISHED BY REPUTED PUBLISHER AND NOT OF THE FOOTPATH PUBLISHERS WHO DISTORTS THE FACTS. AGAIN PROSTITUTION DEPANDS ON THE PERSON LIVING IN THE COUNTRY AND NOT ON THE RELIGION. PLEASE COMPARE THE SAME YARDSTICK WITH MALASIYA, A PROSTITUTION HUB. HENCE THE QUESTION BECOME IRRELEVENT. A5) CORRUPTION DOES NOT SEE RELIGION, IT IS BASICALLY A GREED OF THE PERSON, APART FORM PAK AND BANGLADESH, PLS NOTE THE CASE OF EX WORLD BANK CHEIF ALSO. IN NUTSHEEL - CORRUPTION IS CORRUPTION NO HUNDU NO MUSLIM A6) IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED FACT THAT DYING FOR ONE'S RELIGION WOULD TAKE TO "JANNAT" (PARADISE) AND GLORIFIES THE SAME BUT HOWEVER IT MAKES THE LIFE OF PEOPLE ON EARTH H
RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Dimension Four on Jun 24, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
I HOPE YOU WOULD DO YOUR PROPER HOME WORK BEFORE GIVING SUCH POSTINGS. REGARDS DIMENSION_4
RE:Harmony will exist only if Brahmins are Crushed
by JGN on Jun 24, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
Mr. Mandar has just this one para obtained from some hindu bashing site; saved on his computer and posts the same on hundreds of discussion boards. Gentleman, have some original ideas!
RE:RE:Harmony will exist only if Brahmins are Crushed
by mandar on Jun 24, 2007 12:48 PM Permalink
You idiot, try to write your name properly and then talk about the originality of ideas of others. Do you understand properly what I have written. First try to understand the Indian social order, the way it exists and then use the words such as Hindu bashing. I am as much HINDU as any body else. So do not try to act over smart.
RE:RE:Harmony will exist only if Brahmins are Crushed
by kraft on Jun 24, 2007 12:55 PM Permalink
But Mandar has no Brains. So he has to copy or get Reservation! His frustration comes out in the form of Blind Hatred.
RE:Harmony will exist only if Brahmins are Crushed
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 24, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
but muslim will not agree with 15% . And given a chance they will kidnap your womanfolk and do nikah as they are doing in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
RE:Harmony will exist only if Brahmins are Crushed
by Mangesh Joshi on Jun 24, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
I totally agree with your first paragraph.not the rest. RSS Swayamsewak .. http://www.haindavakeralam.org/Sangh.aspx
RE:Harmony will exist only if Brahmins are Crushed
by Sameer Ladakhi on Jun 24, 2007 12:42 PM Permalink
"A nation without history is not a nation,but a tribe of all lords who controls himself" only,same can be said about Mr Mandar who I think is a person without a PAST Because he is not aware of the fact that all Kashmiri Pandits are Brahimns and it were these Brahimns who used to accomodate all including Muslims.The majority land belonged to them only even upto late Fifties and then they voluntarily distributed the land among all inhabitents of Kashmirincl Muslims The topic was about peace and harmony was turned into hatred by readers like Mr Mandar. Please for Godsake Mr Mandar " Acclimatise yourself with History of Man" Because Hindusm is a religion of Mankind
RE:Harmony will exist only if Brahmins are Crushed
by Aarif syed on Jun 24, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
Very well said .... It is high time RSS/VHP/Bajrangi's & BJP should be labeled as unpatriotic and terrerrist organization
RE:RE:Harmony will exist only if Brahmins are Crushed
by kraft on Jun 24, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
So Mr.Syed, RSS should be labeled as "Unpatriotic"? And the Muslim terrorists and Traitors and their supporters should be labelled as "Patriots"?Why dont you go to Pakistan, your Heaven?
RE:RE:Harmony will exist only if Brahmins are Crushed
by balaji ramakrishnan on Jun 24, 2007 12:21 PM Permalink
ABSOLUTE NONSENSE ............ GONE THOSE DAYS OF WHAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED BY MANDAR.........NONE OF US WE INDIANS, BELEIVE IN DIVIDE AND RULE POLICY.....LET'S STOP ABUSING AND HATING AND PULLING DOWN BRAHMINS AND LETS LOOK AT AN UNITED INDIA, WHERE WE WILL FIGHT AGAINST THE POVERTY, FORIEGN ELEMENTS, JOB HUNTS....THERE ARE 100 OTHER THINGS WHICH WE NEED TO CONCNETRATE APART FROM CURSING BRAHMINS
Once, all village people decided to pray for rain. On the day of prayer all people gathered and only one boy came with an Umbrella, that's Confidence
TRUST
Trust should be like the feeling of a one year old baby when you throw him in the air, he laughs...... because he knows you will catch him; that's Trust
HOPE
Every night we go to bed, we have no assurance to get up alive in the next morning but still you have plans for the coming day; that is Hope
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY¦KEEP CONFIDENCE, TRUST OTHERS & NEVER LOOSE HOPE!
RE:Trust all indians,-not devide people
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 24, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
This is all bullshit. The life survives on hard facts. The fact is that Kashmiri pundits are made to run away from Kashmir and no one from muslim world raised any voice. So confidence , trust, hope are gullible words
RE:Trust all indians,-not devide people
by Sameer on Jun 24, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
Vinay Kashmiri pundits were made to run away from Kashmir under a plan from the then governer Jagmohan, who later joined BJP. See why not Hindus are migrating now, there are lots of hindus still in Kashmir.
RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 24, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
Acutally Islam divides the world between BELIEVERS and Non Believers. And definition is very interesting. You may be believer in GOD but if donot believe Mohmud as the prophet you are considered non believer i.e. Kafir.
This very dangerous way of thinking.
Second , Islam talk of BROTHER HOOD among muslims only ( thouh it also doesnot exists) . No where it talk of Universal Brother hood.
RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
1) The Final speech of Prophet Mohammed is the essence of Islam.. In this speech the Prophet says "All the People of the World are from one Parents Adam and Eve, All are equal like the Teeth of the Corn, An Arab is no Superior to Niger. So the basic Fundamental of Islam is Equality.. There is no concept of Rascism or Arabic Imperialism in Koran.
RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Sameer on Jun 24, 2007 12:37 PM Permalink
It is a perfect religion, some muslims might be wrong dont look at them. In Islam killing of innocent is not allowed, so bomb blast killing innocent persons is not allowed and not written anywhere in Quran, these are misguided terrorist.
RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
"BEGGARS SAY THAT 'I DONT WANT TO BECOME RICH", similarly Impotents like you who don't have stuff to Convince a Muslim say that "No one wants to convert Muslims into other religions"
The TRUTH is even a Small Muslim Boy is very clear of SPIRITUAL definitions, it is higly impossible to convert an Ignorant Muslim also... There are a lot of Hindu Saints in India who talk about Yoga & Life Style or Whatever, but nobody has the Charisma or Magnetism to hold people in Hinduism... That's why Thousands of Hindus are leaving Hinduism... But for the past 30 years of my life I have never seen a Convincing debate from a Hindu Expert to justify the Truth in Hindusim.. I think Hinduism lacks Focus and confuses its followers... That's why people go away from Hinduism, very very few of them leave Islam
RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Ibrahim Sheik on Jun 24, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
If you want the answers for your questions first answer these
1) Why there is a caste system in Hinduism, why Shudras are considered Inferior to a Animal (cow)
2) Havent you ever seen the SLUMS in your place, why you live Happily and LOw caste Hindus Live Unclean, Dont take a Bath, Drink Daily and hit their Wife and create Street Fights
3) Why all the SLUMS Stink and they are your Hindu Brothers, why you dont take a effort to clean your Community before Commenting on Us..
4) Why 98 % of the Prostititues in India are Hindus, does Kamasutra Promotes Prostitution
5) 95 % of Politicians & Govt Officers in this Country are Hindus, why are they corrupted...
6) Why they kill Muslim criminals in Encounrter and real criminals rule the Assembly ??
If you have answers for this, then you can ask me...I have all the answers for your Questions.. Go on Please
RE:RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Samrat Das on Jun 24, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
Dear Ibrahim Sheik I doubt at your statistic. I belong to lower caste, this thing never happen in my family. You can't genaralise one event with all other. To question abt hindu religion you have to know it . First cow is treated as god is hindu religion not a fellow animal. If you say about corruption in hindu people then I will ask you one thing take an account of terroism in India you will get more than 90% is muslim . I am not here to put finger on any body. Everyone has his own reason to choose his religion. There is superstition in the name of religion but if you want to avoid that you have to be educated enough. I don't no what raise the topic but for better prospect for our country we have to learn . That our first identity is we are Indian then hindu or muslim.
RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by FAPS on Jun 24, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
Nobody is saying that Hinduism is without faults. However, it is the most open religion that exists. You are right in saying that there is a significant gap between THEORY and PRACTICE. But in Islam the THEORY itself is flawed.
Now let's answer some of your questions:
1) every religion has issues and the caste system has been a big black mark on Hindu society. Majority of the population realizes that and great strides have been made to uplift the so-called lower castes. Things like this don't change overnight, but atleast the will is there.
2) Your observation is correct. However, it is not the religion that is condoning this behaviour, but abject poverty and lack of education. On the other hand in the Koran, it is clearly stated that if a woman doesn't heed to the desires of a man, she may be beaten. However, she should not be beaten as hard as a slave but enough that she remembers to never go against the man's wishes again.
3) We are trying to clean up our act by holding democratic elections where everyone has a voice. Unfortunately there is still a lot of ground to cover but atleast the foundation has been laid. Majority of the muslim nations don't offer this basic right to their population.
4) 98% of the people who have ever had a headache have eaten apples. Does that mean that apples cause headaches. I fail to understand your logic. You think that prostitution is simply a Hindu problem. Ever heard of "MUTA" or temporary marriage in Islam? Is
RE:RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by hello on Jun 24, 2007 02:15 PM Permalink
ibrahim tell me one answer..why there exsts honour killing in mulla countries?
RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Pasha Patel on Jun 24, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
Reply to Detective People with a very small knowledge of religion do speak like this. Certainly Islam is a Superior religion and out of jelousy, the Americans are trying their best to unnecessarily attack the innocents and when the innocents refute, they call them Terrorists. The Hindus with criminal minds search for opportunities to degrade the Muslim religion and never look into the defame of thier own religion and back Americans by calling Muslims as Terrorists forgetting the Naxals who are killing their own Hindu bretheren everyday for no harm done. Wake up and dont advise on this subject. Islam is always superiod religion and this is the religion which shows PEACE on every path. Muslim Women are just Free since you see only from outside Burkhas and not inside them. They are the most happy ones. I see gang rapes on TV Everyday for the girls not wearing Burkhas and my neighbour although Hindu, likes to be modest like Muslims and when goes out goes with her DUPATTA completely wrapped around her as a Muslim. What do you think in Rajasthan, most of the Hindu women do not show their faces to Men (relatives) and most protected from culprit acts. They are also living and letting their women live. We are also living and letting ive. You may be in the 19th century still. Overbreeding was not only in Muslims but was also in Hindus. My own neighbours had more than 7 to 8 children in each house those days Now Muslims and Hindus both have one or two children only.
RE:RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 24, 2007 12:50 PM Permalink
Pasha, India is suffering this menance since 712 AD. Please read the history
RE:RE:Reply to Ibrahim Sheik
by FAPS on Jun 24, 2007 12:52 PM Permalink
What a joke!!
Religion of peace and Superior Religion in one breath. What if I don't believe in your superiority? I guess you will PEACEFULLY BEAT me into submission !!
See the light and covert back. If not Hinduism, try something else.
RE:Lessons from history
by GS on Jun 24, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
Shaukat you are right! One more thing to be pin-pointed is though people think Jinnah was wrong, but he was not! Surprising right? But if you study the History deeply you will come to know that he was a good follower of GITA. Nehru played the bloody politics as he was sure that if Jinnah becomes the PM then he will have to take away his fate for the next janam! It was Nehru and not Jinnah, who was responsible for division! Jinnah was made a scape-goat just because he was talking openly but he never had the intention of division. His words were misinterpreted and Nehru was the man of exploitation. Jinnah had just one daughter who was married to a Parsi, so family-wise he had no interest in religion. I know Hindus hate Jinnah but the moment they come to know of the reality they will actually come to know who was responsible for Division. Nehru was the one and Gandhi the second! Gandhi went by the words of Nehru. Nehru by no stretch of imagination was as good as Vallabhbhai Patel, then why was the later not offered the PM post? Because Nehru was the main culprit. He was not interested in running the country, he was interested in his own selfish motives. If possible, I would like to have your email addresses so that I can send you some information about Nehru and his family! With all the best wishes to all the readers, I would like to once again state that I do not believe in spreading hatred. My words were only to bring the reality to light. Warm regards ...
RE:Lessons from history
by Vishwamitra Singh on Jun 24, 2007 12:55 PM Permalink
could you please send the material to me at vishwamitrasingh@rediffmail.com
RE:Lessons from history
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 24, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
GS, your remarks about Nhru are 100% correct. In fact Gandhi told Patel that if nehru is not made PM at this point of time then he will break the congrss. Whole congress was in favour of Patel otherwise
RE:Lessons from history
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 24, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
Lesson from the historyis differnt than what you have said. It was not the muslim of Punjab but Muslims of UP and Bihar who suported muslim League in 1947. If you read Abdul Kalam book "India wins freedom" then you come to know that Kalam was opposing the partition bcoz as per him partion shall make muslims very weak in Indian subcontinent.
With undivided India their clout in the policy making shall be enormous. He has given the calculation in great deatil as o how many seat in assembly can be won by muslim and in how many they will have the final say!
So basicaly for muslims all the caculation was politically motivated . None was driven with the nationalistic ferver.
( please read "India wins freedom") So lesson is " donot carried away by sophism and read the history carfully and donot repeat the mistakes
There are numerous muslim countries in the world, but there is only one Hindu coutry that is Nepal and you know brother killed his own brother and his family just to get the power.And don't forget the naxals problem they do kill innocent people. LTTE a hindu organisation as they grew in majority in particular area in peacefull Srilanka these Hindu terrorist took up the arms and killed numerous innocent people. Now they are the most dangerous Hindu terrorist who carry suicide bombings. So detective first put your own house in line and see that hindus dont convert to other religion then you worry about muslims.
RE:First worry about yourself
by Sameer on Jun 24, 2007 12:22 PM Permalink
Religion which gods name they will take, you have crore of gods, whose name they will take they are confused. AS per muslims we have only one Allah. Terrorist is terrorist dont try to shield them.
RE:RE:RE:First worry about yourself
by Sameer on Jun 24, 2007 12:33 PM Permalink
Dont worry many people are following Islam, thats your frustration. People from your own religion are ditching you and your bloody religion. Some day even you might follow.
RE:First worry about yourself
by Sameer on Jun 24, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
Now Ltte is supported by Pakistan and communist of China, what a joke. You must know Srilanka government have better relations with Pakistan that India. Srilankan government has always accussed Tamilnadu of supporting LTTE. And if you want to know go to talilnadu any fishermen will sell you sophisticated weapons for few thousand ruppees. This weapons are hidden by fisherman in the sands and water for the LTTe.
RE:First worry about yourself
by sumati gayki on Jun 24, 2007 12:39 PM Permalink
Mr. Sameer, it would be more interesting to argue with u, when u come up with yur original name. By keeping Hindu name u r targeting Hindus & Hindu Gods. Y ? r u ashamed of yur name / religion. ?
RE:RE:First worry about yourself
by Sameer on Jun 24, 2007 12:46 PM Permalink
Who says Sameer names are only in Hindus. And I am not abusing any religion or God, I am only attacking those who attack Islam or Muslims.
RE:First worry about yourself
by sumati gayki on Jun 24, 2007 01:00 PM Permalink
Is Hindu Gods attacking yur Islam ? Why r u bringing Gods to prove yur point. & one more thing it's our tension how to pray our so many Gods. U need not to worry abt. it. &
