Nawaz Sharif was an ally of religious party and had the strictest form of Shariat Bill passed by the partliament which would have made Pakistan into a totally theocratic state ( not that it is not Islamic but not that bad ). That would have been the end of democracy in Pakistan. Mushy's taking over of Pakistan kept the religious parties quite for a while and now he fighting a full scale battle with them - a fight to finish. On side is he and his Sindhi friend Benazir and a few generals - and the other side is the Punjabi-Pushtoon Islamic warriors led by Nazwaz Sharif.
India being true democratic country but what have we acheived politically... just a corrupt politicians... We are just meek spectators who see Parliament proceedings once we elect our leaders. They in open play with our emotions, go and ally with opponent, take their own decisions where they have their own personal interest etc.... We too need a revolution in our country where we can wipe out corrupt politicians and have a good governance... No one dares to take a tough stand against terroist, All political parties are regional based which is mordern form of Old era where our country was divided in various kingdom foghting with each other... Some foreigner comes like Sonia and takes advantage of this and will rule the country
RE:Forget about Pakistan what about India
by shivraj s on Sep 14, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
dude, tell me one thing if you say leaders are corrupt why do they win in election.. and by talking few things and writing few words really doesn't make sense.. things will proceed in same way as they are going until now. just couple of faithfull hardcore patriotic indian's like you and me wont make any difference .. keep KEUL ;) and n'joy life :)
Mr. Hamid, if you clean shave, would you be called Hamida? I do not think so. If Musharraf goes will democracy return Pakistan? I don't think so. Bad habits die hard
Religious democracies are farce. They are only tyrannies by majority. So long as you have blasphemy laws, and forced retaining of people into your own religion, these are meaningless democracries not fit for 21st century.
If people are too much concerned with the integrity of Pakistan, why not join with the present Govt., it means that political parties only want to take power, they don't have anything to do with or concern with State of Pakistan. There are many other realities too that can be discussed, if needed, about the other so called political parties.
>>> India can only resolve its disputes with Pakistan when there is a democratic government in Islamabad. If Musharraf signs any deal with India in the coming days, the next government will not honour that deal.
Mr Hamid Mir,
If I remember correctly :-) both zulfiqar bhutto and nawaz sharif were democratically elected, werent they ?
Ahh the sweet smell of irony... I just love it :)
Fact is that in Pakistan, even if free and fair elections are held, the people will vote for some radicals (like Nawaz Sharif and his Shariat bills :) )
Fact is, even the succeeding democratically elected govt will not honour that deal :-)
Sometimes, its just strange.. how much you hate us kaafirs.. that you spend most of your money in anti-India activities (eg Kashmir, Punjab) rather than trying to improve your industrial and agri base, so both countries benefit.
And please, dont talk about human rights, ethics, and lack of secularism, etc in India (or the comments here, which are much more mellow compared to what you would find in Pakistani forums). It reminds me of - pot calling the kettle black.
Regarding, Bhagwan Rana, this is an exception to the rule, isnt it?
RE:RE:Wrong article, Mr Mir.
by Jack on Jul 18, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
Well said tomcat. First Pakistani peoples must be ready for democracy rather than counting days for current dictator. Mentality of "aam pakistani janta" (Pakistani common peoples) should be ready to accpet democracy in their own country. History is proof of whom pakistani ppls has elected and what happened to them. The first start point for them to stop hating others becuase they have nothing and others are growing.
RE:Wrong article, Mr Mir.
by tomcat on Jun 28, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
Mr Mir,
Your intentions are absolutely right, I cannot find any problem with that. I wish you good luck in your struggle against the military dictator. Its good to see there are some peaceful people who are not rabidly anti-India (more specifically, anti-Hindu) in Pakistan.
>>I don't want to start a new debate that who is more violent because i respect all the religions.
Wish you really mean it, and more people in Pakistan were like you.
But to express shock (fake?) on this forum because of a few comments and lecture us on secularism is something really funny.. And this after we all know how Hindus are persecuted in Pakistan. Forced conversions, rapes and kidnaps, etc are the norm. Just the data will prove it - In India, the population of muslims has increased percentage wise, while in Pakistan, the population of Hindus has reduced drastically from some double digit figures to hardly 1% in a short span of time. Cannot deny that, can we?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Wrong article, Mr Mir.
by on Aug 24, 2007 07:49 PM Permalink
mr tomcat we have seen indian secularism when 3000 muslims were killed in india . have u seen such kind of examples in pakistan. in pakistan there were some suicide attacks on christian churches but pakistani government took steps immidiately and punished such persons &parties involved .did indian government punished such peoples like nerinder muddy.
Why these pakis come to Indian boards? Looks like they dont have their own websites and other forms of discussion. Even if they have it probably might be filled with anit-India, anti-US posts.
They also die for Indian movies. Such jealous fellows. Cant achive anything on their own.
Now they will all start learning Chinese. After some time these Han Chinese will start copulating with them. Then some new version of these pakis will come out. That is the only hope for pakis to start thinking something other than old nonsense.
RE:Why these pakis are here?
by sukh sandhu on Jul 01, 2007 04:33 PM Permalink
Sam you have no rights to ask someone else that why he is here there or anywhere and pakistani people are also very much human beings and whatever happened between us is only POLITICS and done by some POLITICIANS
and where we don't see such crap people? even in families people play politics and are good and bad..............
So speaking rubbish is not indian thing.....
I don't agree at all.............this is not a way to show how much you respect your land....Its just a way to show that how much you hate your values and your culture
If they see indian movies its good for us....and sorry to say we are not united because of senseless comments like these
