RE:food for thought
by vikas prasad on Jun 18, 2007 04:01 AM Permalink
whats wrong with you people there is no difference between u and dogs. I man think what ru fighting for. what does allah or bhagwan has to do with all of these. grow up its a mans worlds. think about, something creative. do something for your country otherwise we will always remain a third world. why to fight for religon???? finish it offf. useless people. No wonder britain ruled on us for 200 years.. they knew how to manipulate us. just one spark and every body start doing Hindu Hindu and muslim muslim. THINK...........
Any fool can suppoert laden and his terrorism activities,I think it is matter of fight between two sects of Islam Barelvi and deobando or shia sunni,may be the imam of differnt sect and gathered person of differnt sect.Even police has not recovered any suspicious thinks from them.Muslims Imam are fighting in the name of sects like shia Sunni and Deobandi barelvi.Every they day they are killing innocents in the name of sects in iraq pakistan afhganistan etc.Every sect has right to practice his versions and no imam can object on it.each and every sect of Islam prevail peace but their followers are fighting in the leadership of Imams
RE:FACTORS THAT CAN ACT AGAINST ISLAM'S GRWOTH
by Ali Mirza on Jun 17, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
Hmmm quite a plan for destruction of muslim world globally...but by the way what makes u think democracy is a solution ...... Democracry is something where in a fool and intelligent have equal choice of government .... Do u think democracy can be solution all cultural forms of the world..well chinese r doing pretty good without it...isnt it....Democratic princples are good once u have reached the position of superiority and the masses are learned enough...and most of all democracy is nothing but a western ideological tool to gain superiority in the world ..There can be freedom in people without duplicating the western models of democracy..the basic values of western democratic models have always been preexistent in most cultures....
RE:RE:FACTORS THAT CAN ACT AGAINST ISLAM'S GRWOTH
by Ali Mirza on Jun 18, 2007 12:07 AM Permalink
I agree to the phenomenon u quoted will bring about a change when choice of religion is not controlled by state.But Dear at the same time i must tell you there is no concept of state in ISLAM as they exists in Gulf!!! The countries like Iran , Saudia , Bahrain , Qatar , UAE were not developed by Islamic rule rather these countries have come into existence in last 100 years after the collapse of european Imperialism. The above fact is relevant to the answer in a larger context hence i mentioned it... Now coming to y a death penalty in muslim states ..I wonder if there is such a thing like Death penalty in Islam when it doesnt promotes the concept of State then how can it promote the concept of death penalty to converters...the Quran says where clearly there is no compulsion in religion .However religion has always been used by empires from time immemorial there were empires who preferred to embrace a religion for there benefits...as the Byzantines , Romans Empires- are Christians , Ummeyed , Safavid , Ottoman -are muslims and similarly Maurya and some other kingdoms in prehistoric India were Hindu empires.... Well in the last I hope I am able to make a point that the mixing of religion with empires have given birth to such rules "Death Penalty" to converters.... I dont want to quote too religiously however there were many people during the early start of ISLAM(hazrat Muhammeds period) where in people would embraceIslam&thenleave it,but there are no records of death penalty fro
RE:FACTORS THAT CAN ACT AGAINST ISLAM'S GRWOTH
by Ali Mirza on Jun 18, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
I agree to the phenomenon u quoted will bring about a change when choice of religion is not controlled by state.But Dear at the same time i must tell you there is no concept of state in present form as it exists in Gulf!!! The countries like Iran , Saudia , Bahrain , Qatar , UAE were not developed by Islamic rule rather these countries have come into existence in last 100 years after the collapse of european Imperialism.... The above fact is relevant to the answer in a larger context hence i mentioned it... Now coming to y a death penalty in muslim states ..I wonder if there is such a thing in Islam when it doesnt promotes the concept of State then how can it promote the concept of death penalty to converters...the Quran says where clearly there is no compulsion in religion .However religion has always been used by empires from time immemorial there were empires who preferred to emrace a religion for there benefits...as the Byzantines , Romans Empires- are Christians , Ummeyed , Safavid , Ottoman -are muslims and similarly Maurya and some other kingdoms in prehistoric India were Hindu empires.... Well in the last I hope I am able to make a point that the mixing of religion with empires have given birth to such rules "Death Penalty" to converters.... I dont want to quote too religiously however there were many people during the early start of ISLAM(hazrat Muhammeds period) where in people would embrace Islam&thenleave it .but there are no records of death penalty from thattime
RE:FACTORS THAT CAN ACT AGAINST ISLAM'S GRWOTH
by A Chaterjee on Jun 17, 2007 11:58 PM Permalink
DETECTIVE If it happens.. all hindus (Dalits) become to Christians. i am afraid the hinduism will take place in museums
RE:Persectuion of the righteous has existed since beginning of mankind by S Narain on Jun 17, 2007 10:59 PM pakistan has been US ally since inception i.e last 50 years . You would never say that Pakistan was a stooge of US for last 50 years. Why people like you never raised such question for last 50 years. It is just convinient for you to talk like this and use the billions of $s of arms and aid from America by countries like Pakistan. You dont seem to be Indian Muslim,by the way.
RE:Reply to below message from Robin hood
by S Narain on Jun 17, 2007 11:10 PM Permalink
Indian Muslims are not fanatic and are peace loving and present it as a true face of Islam.
RE:RE:Reply to below message from Robin hood
by S Narain on Jun 17, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
Indians by nature are milder,peace loving and well behaved & are recognised,appreciated and respected for this quality in whole of the middle east countries including Saudi Arabia. HLet all Indians, muslims or hindus or any other religion should protect this reputation.
RE:CONVERSIONS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
by A Chaterjee on Jun 17, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
yes I support you.. and unfortunately fell that india will become a christian country after 20 years.. and none could find a hindu in a miscroscope
RE:CONVERSIONS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
by A Chaterjee on Jun 17, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
this is not a feasible solution/answer..be practical man... would u allow musilms/christians in Mandirs .. have u forgot Guruvayur case?
RE:RE:CONVERSIONS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
by A Chaterjee on Jun 17, 2007 11:29 PM Permalink
it is not just another case.. my soul does not prmit a muslim/christian (may be they have eat bief few minutes ago) in a mandir.. just cannot.. i dont know abou Gurudawara and mosques.. but i have visited Golden Temple in Amritsar with oun any difficulty
RE:CONVERSIONS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
by Silver on Jun 17, 2007 11:48 PM Permalink
No, You people are always welcome in the mosque. Please come and see how we pray and what we are, it the best way to show Islam, But I dont think you will take it serious and go to any mosque......
RE:CONVERSIONS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
by A Chaterjee on Jun 17, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
yes I support you.. and unfortunately fell that if india will become a christian country after 20 years.. and none could find a hindu in a miscroscope
i hate cast system.and brahmins. .. unfortunately I am a brahmin. . I believe that the people would more interested about hinduism.. if there were no cast system in hinuism
RE:i hate cast system
by imam on Jun 17, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
1, you are not a bhramin 2, you are a Paki or closet paki 3 you cant spell caste properly, so you have studied in a Madrassa 4 Caste system is not mentioned in the vedas, it is class system where people were divided in terms of their professions 5 hinduism doesnt lay emphasis in conversion, so , your statement "people would have been interested if there was no caste" is irrelevant Hinduism doesnt accept bigots like you, you are only good at smellling your own flatulence Learrn respect for the country that feeds you
RE:i hate cast system
by A Chaterjee on Jun 17, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
Mr. "Speller" have you really read Vedas? there are clear indiacation of casste systems.. as in Mahabharata
RE:i hate cast system
by imam on Jun 17, 2007 11:34 PM Permalink
Fine my wannabee Bhramin, do they teach mahabharata at your madrassa, get a life pls, i know yuo envy the bhramins, the muzzies never could convert them,
RE:i hate cast system
by A Chaterjee on Jun 17, 2007 11:10 PM Permalink
thats the problem with us..we do not want to face the reality.. i would more happy to be a christian/muslim.. or any religios rather than a brahmin for my country i want to dissolve cast system.. no reseravtion.. only hindu, the only identity
RE:i hate cast system
by Ali Mirza on Jun 17, 2007 11:17 PM Permalink
Dear Mr chatterjee , Caste system was an efficient tool in prehistoric time ...when there was no instituionalisation of knowledge in any forms and hence hereditarty transformation was seen as a solution.It never referred to degrading in away ..degradation occoured later on.....In away u r right now we dont need such a system...but the phenomenon of using a knowledge domain to ones benefit is still existent ...example americans telling the world not to make nuclear energy or bombs ...do we have a check on this even now no...so in a way castism was a good solution at a point of time but certainly not now....and i dont think u got to be a muslim or christian for such reasons because they have there own issues as well...with the interpretration of things ...
RE:i hate cast system
by A Chaterjee on Jun 17, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
u r quite right.. but this time we do not need these stupid ideas.. lets walk with time.. it is also my request to muslims
RE:i hate cast system
by Ali Mirza on Jun 17, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
Well u see here the real problems of muslims or hindus are alike..yet we are all resistant to thinking ....but only a few get tagged as "terrorist" ...anyways I appreciate ur point....no body is greater then others just by virtue of birth in a caste or religion
RE:RE:i hate cast system
by imam on Jun 17, 2007 11:39 PM Permalink
Recent converts have this trait to please their Arabian masters, please drop this sham of being a bhramin,yes Bhramins are a progressive community unlike some who prefer to stay in ghettos , do you get my drift..Abdul?
RE:i hate cast system
by imam on Jun 18, 2007 12:08 AM Permalink
Unlike you i have a job and a family, and i also believe in humanity, pls brother get a life,may god bless you with good sense,be productive to the community, even if you work only for your community do good and god will look after you. it was nice arguing with you, yes your IQ isnt much to write home about I will end with this DONT ARGUE WITH FOOLS, THEY BRING YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND THEN BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE i just fully understood the meaning of the saying Good bye, pls get a life
RE:RE:i hate cast system
by imam on Jun 17, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
Please write in English,miss ayatul, Ask your mullah to learn it too, atleast you can then read some science books. And pls get a life
