Hinduism as a religion has its own roots and culture. It has a set of teachings and set of principles. Again, one may or may not follow this. Its upto the individual. To all the chrisitians who had left messages here including Philip, Hinduism as a religion is too big to be scared or worried about other religions. No one is against conversion to Islam or Christianity per se. I am against conversion when you try to influence those who are not in a mental state to make a decision. Converting the tribals and the poor and making them take up any religion certainly is certainly not the best way. We dont need any ones education about what hinduism is. Sometimes, things are better when they are left as it is. Whats happening in Kerala is pure politics. Nothing to do with religion or hinduism. Hindus are the most tolerant , i would say. Because they dont feel threatened by any other religion. Hindus dont go about preaching about hinduism to others. Its jus that we let others come to us. Again am not saying its the best religion in this world. It has its own flaws and problems. But its still a religion with a rich history. So respect that plss. Also a request to all out there, lets respect others too.hinduism has issues just like how each every other religion has issues to sort out. No religion is clean. I am not trying to make a point here cos I kno I am not here to change wat the world thinks.
RE:Let us agitate
by GURU on Jun 13, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
Right, the temple has a custom, an established practice a sanctity of its own. None has the right to change the basic tenets of its philosophy.
RE:Let us agitate
by on Jun 13, 2007 10:55 PM Permalink
Dheeraj has apoint here. We would have bveen better off if we had agitated. Guess what would have happened to Sudhakaran if he announced such measures for mosques. They would have agitated and the guy would have lost his head in the street.
I am a Hindu and I applaud the decision of the Kerala Govt. Nothing saddened me more than to hear that KJ Yesudass, the singer, who sings Guruvayoorppan songs with such devotion was not allowed entry into the temple and yet he used to sit outside the temple and sing. That is true devotion and I don't see why when God brings a person to his temple, lesser mortals stop them from entering it!
RE:A Good decision
by Blaster on Jun 13, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
Only reason is K J Yesudhas a Hindu convert. Not only Guruvayoor banned him but also Sabarimallai Ayyapa Temple. It is a sad thing. Remember Yesudhas is no more a Christian he is Hindu.
RE:A Good decision
by on Jun 13, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
Yesudas is indeed a great singer. But in devotion he could hv accept Hinduism officially and then enter the temple, if he was such a great devotee. BTW he has sung many Christian and Muslim songs as well. An Indian classical singer can not become one, unless he praises Hindu gods, because most of the classical songs are basically bajans
RE:A Good decision
by Vellpally on Jun 13, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
Where did you hear "stop from entering it" as you mentioned in the post?
No one stopped them from entering the temple... issue that "dirty politicians" are raising is that a pooja was conducted later on for purification of temple.. I also understand that they conduct this pooja everyday...
get your facts right before posting blog.. else you look stupid! :)
RE:RE:A Good decision
by bugs forever on Jun 13, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
Obvisouly you have't read the post properly. I was referring to Yesudoss having been prevented from entering the temple. So while his Guru Chembai Vaidynath Bhagvathar used to perform inside the temple, Yesudoss was not allowed to go in! Hope that makes me look less stupid!
RE:A Good decision
by pp rr on Jun 13, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
Because of the main doctrinal position or standing of its religion.the priest was merely implying what is stated or written.
Ravikrishna I guess is planning to enter politics in near future.... This publicity stunt is just for that... No one stopped him or his family members from entering the temple.. but Who the hell is he to ask not to conduct poojas in temple? He is already planning next contreversy which is removal of shoes to enter temple... :) .. he says they have never removed shoes while going to churches... "comming next on Rediff".."Ravikrishna takes on krishna (the Supreme) on shoes" Its going to be great fun comming days... we will wait and watch... What is public oppinion on these issue? does any one know how many support and how many not?
RE:Leave Us Alone
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 13, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
All you guys are the ones spreading bad name for Indian and Hinduism world-wide with your nasty habits and despicable behavior.
All the IIM vagera seats that u talk about is just by begging! Did u hear me? You guys are nothing but street beggars.
If you have the guys challenge us in the open category, then you'll know your place.
What is Brahmanical arrongance? Purity of life, association with God-head, chanting Vedic mantras have beomce arrogance? Dont try to quote that ur next door neighbor brahmin eats meat and smokes etc...There are still good and pure Brahmins like Tantri out there.
Just like Lord Krishna says, you guys are put in lowe womb because of your past karmas...Keep up with this BS and ull end in Africa next time.
RE:Leave Us Alone
by Power India on Jun 13, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
What the uppercastes are suffering now a days is because of their past karma. so, dont blame lower caste uprisings and reservation movements. Just accept your karma. Or this Karma philosophy is only for lower castes?
RE:Leave Us Alone
by on Jun 13, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
no becomes brahmina by birth.
samo damas tapah saucam ksantir arjavam eva ca jnanam vijnanam astikyam brahma-karma svabhava-jam Bg.18-42
Translation Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, knowledge, wisdom and religiousness--these are the qualities by which the brahmanas work.
RE:Leave Us Alone
by Arjun on Jun 13, 2007 11:10 PM Permalink
A brahmin should not hanker after material things and should not maintain an ego. He lives for god and strives for truth by means of philosophy. He maintains utmost purity of his mind and self so that he can conduct rituals at the temple. Such a person is closest to god in every sense. If a person does not follow his life accordingly, then he is not a brahmin. Those who apply for IITs/IIMs to have a materialistic good life are not Brahmins really.
I stand with Tantri on this.. we should not bow down to political agenda of this managing committee.. all are crooks in there and they are doing this just to make Ministers happy... how ugly can this get.. we will wait and see...
RE:Managing committee - bunch of dirty politicians
by Putrayasa on Jun 13, 2007 10:34 PM Permalink
It is not the tantri issue, it is the temple regulation issue. If the (human made) regulation is considered obsolete, change it. It is not even a Hindu issue or that of the Vedas (in them, all are equal, no caste, no one is in higher or lower status, all are God), but the issue of human interpretation of how to thread the path of dharma in this life, now and here. If this imperfect interpretation need reformation and change do it. Of course the ideal is to ask the gov to apply the law to all religions. However if not, do it just for hindu community or temple, ie to allow every human being entering our glorious temple, let all feel the majestic vibration of our temple, why we resist something good and harmonizing?
RE:Managing committee - bunch of dirty politicians
by Putrayasa on Jun 13, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
'why not the other religions dude' On, that's the ideal condition. I'am all for it, if the gov has the power and courage to enforce the common law to the peolple of all religion. My belief is, we are all brothers, our religion is decided by our intuition, and not by a bunch of papers.
RE:Managing committee - bunch of dirty politicians
by Vellpally on Jun 13, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
Dude.. what you are talking about is "Temple entry issue".. no one has stopped anyone from entering the temple... Its about a pooja conducted after the "dirty" Politicians and their kins entered into the temple... understand this basic "they conduct this pooja everyday" .. get your facts right.. or else you look stupid blowing vedic wisdom..
RE:Managing committee - bunch of dirty politicians
by Putrayasa on Jun 13, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
Thanks Vellpally. This pooja will not be conducted for people entering the temple with arya samaj certificate right? The same logic from me, if the regulation is no more fit to the current society, change it. Cleanliness and purity of the people is inside, and not on their religious paper certificate (as a hindu, buddhist, moslem, shinto, etc). Of course this is an ideal condition, but at least we know the right direction.
Christian churches and Mosques may keep their doors open for people of all religion. It is not because of the catholicity of these religions. Basically they are prosylitising religions. They have a history of playing all tricks available to swell their numbers. Budget for the next harvest of conversion, as Gandhi wrote in Harijan long back.
The Organised church and Mosques are conducting themselves more like amultinational corporations doing aggressive selling of their branded products. Selling of Jesus and Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) is their sole aim and for this they have to definitely keep the door open.
Whereas Hindu way of living (not religion) is not a prosylitising religion. Therefore it has no compulsion to keep its door open for all and sundry. But temples have to open its doors for the Hindu believers no doubt.
RE:Comparision is ridiculous
by pp rr on Jun 13, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
unni, we have and are sending more hindu missionaries to the west to milk dollars and prosylitise than in our own nation.
For one thing they are not missionaries. For another, if somebody from the west start praying some Hindu Gods, he or she will never be asked to stop praying Jesus or Mary. Jesus or Mary's idols will not be desecrated.
Because for a belief system which has as many Gods and Goddesses as many devotees, adding a Jesus or Mary or Mohammed amongst its pantheon is not difficult.
RE:Comparision is ridiculous
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 13, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
Unni, to some extent you r right .Hinduism cannot be compared with Chiristianity and Islam. These two are political ideology. So if they allow every body to enter in their place of worship then it is out of political ( conversion) purpose and nothing beyound it.
For them human are just like comodity , who is to be purchased ( convert t their fold). After conversion he is abondoned ( as african has been after 100% conversion).
Hindus have to learn politics from them and should refrain from getting into such controversy. Moreover we should change ourself and allow everybod to enter our temple provided he follow certain rules and not like muslims who donot allow other to enter Mecca mosque.
RE:Look what I have found
by joshua joseph on Jun 13, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices%u2014mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law%u2014justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the insid
RE:RE:Look what I have found
by joshua joseph on Jun 13, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chick
RE:RE:Look what I have found
by SAVEINDIA on Jun 13, 2007 10:04 PM Permalink
100%. Very powerful. I love those words. These are the words that suits this TANTRI of Guruvayur
RE:RE:RE:Look what I have found
by prashanth bangalore on Jun 13, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
What is the useful of the ineffective words. Has this helped in solving jeresulum problem. Answer is no. When Jesus is unable to protect his house & hometown , how do you expect he protects the world. It's Rubbish
