I think we have moderate hiunduism by ending the cast system remove the "title" from name, it can solve the CAST problem. the misbehavior of upper cast hindus to the lower cas hindus acts as an enzyme in conversion.
The religion Hinduism has rules and restriction that are in favour of upper class community. Its not restrictions God has asked for. Just man made one so that the upper class caste can be in control. First let your fellow Hindu brothers of so caled lower class.
RE:The religion Hindu?
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 13, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
Its called Karma. We all cash what we banked in our past lives. If u dont believe in it, you can always convert!
RE:The religion Hindu?
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 13, 2007 11:08 PM Permalink
Do you feel these missionary and Maulavi of Arab will help lower class?
These people converted Africans 100% , looted them and now abondoned them. They are very crooked. For them human being is commodity. use it ( convert) and then through.
Hindus are far bette. They can change themself. They have changed also. But donot expect the same from these two ideology. Muslim of Arab shall never treat Muslim of India at par and same is true with Christian of europe
RE:The religion Hindu?
by Blaster on Jun 13, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
Vinay post message with evidence. Christianity came to India from Europe missionaries. More over Christians and muslim help the backward. Its Indian who get the respect overseas bcos of their attitude.
RE:The religion Hindu?
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 13, 2007 11:30 PM Permalink
Blaster, But I understand you study hisotry also and must be aware of the doing of Purtgese in Goa. I hope you will not ask evidence for it.
And tell me how evidence can be given for every information one post? If I wrire say "Bush , the prez of USA", u will ask for the evidence!
And Helping backwards by Muslim and Christians- African are backwards today . They are made backwards by these missionaries and muslims only
Come on man. And also let us not hide our identity and log with proper name of ours
RE:The religion Hindu?
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jun 14, 2007 12:05 AM Permalink
Africans were living in Jungles before the missioneries went there . They have very little history of modern civilization and even now they are finding it very difficult to cope with the demands of today. Perhaps if missionaries and colonial powers had stayed longer ( like in South Africa ) - Africa would have progessed a lot more. The white man left Africa without completing his mission . Vinay - please stop using illogical data and facts to prove a point. Work towards scientific enlightement and rationalism amongst Hindus and that is the best way to become an unbeatable world class power in future. These idiotic pandits in temples are distraction in nation building.
RE:The religion Hindu?
by Blaster on Jun 13, 2007 11:53 PM Permalink
Sorry, Its africans own failure becos of power struggle and ignorance not by Missionaries or Muslims. Change you mind please. Example Zimbabwe
In my opinion, Brahmins and Kshatriyas KNOW as a fact that Hinduism is the greatest and best religion in the entire Universe. Brahmin and Kshatriya kids were raised with pride with spiritual knowledge and trascendental intelligence.
The problem is the inferiority complex of other fellow Hindus. Once they understand the value and concepts of Sanathan Dharma India will soon recognize that there is nothing like Hinduism.
I hope one day Indians will understand the value of Sanathan Dharma and follow life per Vedic literatures.
RE:The Problem
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jun 13, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
You idoiotic "human" - the caste that are doing well on merit/intelligence such as IAS , IIT , IIM or corporate sectors ( including silicon valley millionares ) are neither Brahmin nor Kshatriyas . So stop boasting about this Brahminical superiority - the days are over... yes I have lot very nice and intelligent Brahmin friends who have stopped having an attitude like yours and have given up on "raised with pride with spiritual knowledge and trascendental intelligence. " which they realised was quite bogus.
RE:The Problem
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 13, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Bhai, media is anti Hindu. 1.Malyalam Manorma- it is controlled by Mathew family of Cochi in Kerla 2.NDTV- it gets financial support from GOSPEL of Charity of Spain. Swamy pranya roy of NDTV is relative of Prakash Karat. 3.CNN-IBN: It gets 100% finance from Northern Baptists Church based in America. This church spends 800 million USD every year on diffrent branch of this channel world wide. 4.Times group- This owned by Bennet Colmen & Co. Ltd. This group gets 80% financial support from World Chiristin Council and rest 20% by a British and Italian. Incidently this Italian Rabritio Mindo is close relative of Sonia Gandhi. 5. HT it is no more with Birla and is in with TOI. 6. The Hindu: Recently it is taken over by Bern ( SWISS) basedJOSHUA Society . 7.The Indian Expess- this group is divided in to two. The Indian express has a large invest of Actress Ministrries ( Church) 9. Andhra Jyoti- Recently it is purchased by muslim political party MIM with some share of Cong minister 10. The Statesman- it is in control with Communist (CPM) 11.MatraBhumi- Muslim League and Communist Party has made huge investment in this new paper. 12. Kairali TV- controlled by CPM. 13. The asian Age and DECCAN CRONICAL- controlled by saudi arab based company with chief editor as M J Akbar.
Hindu need to understand the game plan otherwise they shall be in great trouble. They will either be converted or killed and no one is going to raise voice.
RE:The Problem
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 13, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
Man, thats great info! Sends shivers through my spine. This is devil's work. I am amazed by how organized these demons are.
RE:RE:The Problem
by on Jun 13, 2007 11:54 PM Permalink
next must be sun network as the CM prefers a minority (RAJ)(Christian) TV over his own relative's network. True relationship here. Now deals are going on for finishing this network also by the government.
RE:The Problem
by sujeev velur on Jun 13, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
If u keep waiting and try to follow in terms of dharma . u will be rolled over and taken over by People who have guts and quest . All these good old talks has made us cowerds and British ruled us for 100 years . we begged them for independence and they looted us and left us to dogs . growup . Its nice to be nice . But thats not the talk of time now . Be authoritaive and Be clear on ur Positions in this global world .
RE:RE:The Problem
by Subrahmshu Bhattacharya on Jun 13, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
Idiotic messages such as what you posted attempting to emphasise the superiority of the so called upper castes will not help in unifying hindus. Unifying hindus will not help anything if the unified entity supports insane rituals such as this abominable punyaham. Is newapapers stand for basic humanity, then that is good, irrespective of where the funding comes from.
RE:RE:RE:The Problem
by Subrahmshu Bhattacharya on Jun 13, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
Idiotic messages such as what you posted attempting to emphasise the superiority of the so called upper castes will not help in unifying hindus. Unifying hindus will not help anything if the unified entity supports insane rituals such as this abominable punyaham. Is newapapers stand for basic humanity, then that is good, irrespective of where the funding comes from.
RE:RE:RE:The Problem
by on Jun 13, 2007 11:57 PM Permalink
Must find a regular meeting point like how christian have churches to meet on sundays. Nothing else can help hinduism regain its lost glory. And Kick casteism.
RE:RE:The Problem
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 13, 2007 11:03 PM Permalink
I agree with Sujeev. We have to be authoritative. We should be ready for reforms but shud not allow these third rated ideologies to take advantage.
RE:The Problem
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 13, 2007 11:07 PM Permalink
What do u mean reform? So u wanna allow every cow-slaughtering, alchoholic idiot inside the Temple premises? What kind of reform is that?
RE:The Problem
by on Jun 13, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
We need to organise yaar, and have some mature organisation which can articulate the views, get the Dalits integrated, manage temple accounts and a lot more
For good politician, the caste system is important for election purpose, for wining the election. Even to contest in elections he only chooses to contest in the area where his caste is dominant, the person is selected for giving ticket by the party high command is just based on the caste. vayalar ravi's wife though married to hindu but she keeps her religion and not accepted hindism. can anyone beieve she taught his children to pray to hindu gods, while herself praying to different god. The son who wants the head of tantri because he questioned his religion based on his mother's religion beleifs. if the vayalar's son have any respect to the god or on traditions of the temple, he could not have questioned the tantri. He wants the caste of his father, but he expects the tantri not to practice the traditions. whether anyone likes or not caste system is part and parcel of the hinduism. whether it is good or bad practice is not the question. when politicians use the caste card in democracy, why not they accept the same caste practice in the temple traditions. as politicians they go to church and also to masjid. for the politician it is no difference. but the same caste system is practiced by the church by the converted christians. if the priest of the temple final authority in temple practices, why the board have to regret and why they want to snatch the authority from the priest to satisfy the ego of a politician. why the government show interst in running the temple and want
RE:politicians and religion
by N Venugopal on Jun 13, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
ULTIMATELY, IT IS ALL FOR FILLING ONE'S STOMACH. EVERYONE WANTS TO OUT REACH OTHERS TO PROTECT THEIR FOOD SECURITY
I am surprised why the politicians are boiling up only on the rituals of Guruvayoor alone. Let the rule open up all the Bad rituals (if they call so) followed by all the religion. Why Mr Sudhakaran doesnot have the courage to question the rituals of Muslims and christians. All religions have there on rituals. The existence of all these systems are on the basis of a custom. One believes on these system needs to follow the custom. Basically Any attack on the Hindu system is permitted for every one. Had this Issue been on Shariyat or Catholic Rituals, may would have been in streets by Now. Chabu
RE:Why don't we review the rituals of all Relegion
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 13, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
Bhai, How can they ask other to give up bad habits. Can they ask muslims to stop circumcising ( stdies have proved tht it put a child on risk). Can they ask mulim to stop Bali( Sacrifice) on Id Ul Juha ( Bakrid).
Media is anti Hindu. Just go through the fact and see who is controlleing them 1.Malyalam Manorma- it is controlled by Mathew family of Cochi in Kerla 2.NDTV- it gets financial support from GOSPEL of Charity of Spain. Swamy pranya roy of NDTV is relative of Prakash Karat. 3.CNN-IBN: It gets 100% finance from Northern Baptists Church based in America. This church spends 800 million USD every year on diffrent branch of this channel world wide. 4.Times group- This owned by Bennet Colmen & Co. Ltd. This group gets 80% financial support from World Chiristin Council and rest 20% by a British and Italian. Incidently this Italian Rabritio Mindo is close relative of Sonia Gandhi. 5. HT it is no more with Birla and is in with TOI. 6. The Hindu: Recently it is taken over by Bern ( SWISS) basedJOSHUA Society . 7.The Indian Expess- this group is divided in to two. The Indian express has a large invest of Actress Ministrries ( Church) 9. Andhra Jyoti- Recently it is purchased by muslim political party MIM with some share of Cong minister 10. The Statesman- it is in control with Communist (CPM) 11.MatraBhumi- Muslim League and Communist Party has made huge investment in this new paper. 12. Kairali TV- controlled by CPM. 13. The asian Age and DECCAN CRONICAL- con
RE:Why don't we review the rituals of all Relegion
by on Jun 14, 2007 12:43 AM Permalink
Its time we(hindus)support the BJP like the minorities support the congress and atheist the left.
RE:Why don't we review the rituals of all Relegion
by on Jun 13, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
I can only say that kept on laughing for two minutes after reading your post. Seems like this kind of made up statistical data (which looks scientific and authentic) is making roads thru hindu hardlineres (it has been there in Islamic society for longer). What BS!! :D
RE:Why don't we review the rituals of all Relegion
by on Jun 13, 2007 11:26 PM Permalink
Simple solution is to switch the media off. Read only selected news paper (unfortunately most are going the wrong way)
RE:Politics
by on Jun 14, 2007 12:01 AM Permalink
Kick a hindu and some people are happy. kick a minority man and get kicked back. For your good survival kick the Hindu and survive well.
RE:Become Muslims
by josyula subramanyam on Jun 13, 2007 10:53 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Mohammad, Stop this non-sense. Who said there is no discrimination in your religion? Then what is between sunnis and shites. Don't you know that there is no place for a woman in a masjid/mosque to pray. Why she should have a dark dungen like place for her to pray? Is not a discrimination? Hinduism is just like a great ocean. It accepts all the pure water of rivers which finally joins her and also the dirty, polluted drainage water as well. But it is always pure and protects the earth by offering eternal Rain. HINDUISM also accepts the belief and faith of other religions and tolerate their presence. Be honest to you self. Don't forget that your forefathers were from HINDU relgion only. By acts of violence or pecuniary benefits by the muslims they might have changed. Hail HINDUISM! Hail HINDU culture and tolerance!! Subbu.
RE:Become Muslims
by GURU on Jun 13, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
instead I suggest all muslims in the sub continent to either take to Hinduism or Buddhism, that way you people will not be treated as terrorists and I think the moment you change your religion, sanity will dawn on you. If it still does not happen, then you may change to buddhism, even if that does not work out then abandon all religions.
RE:RE:Become Muslims
by on Jun 14, 2007 12:08 AM Permalink
Best mail so far. First you let your own women have equality in mosques. I guess its bed time for you.
RE:RE:Become Muslims
by on Jun 14, 2007 12:04 AM Permalink
Mohammed Riyaz - Talking for the sake of talking. Be realistic pal. Don't vercommit out of enthusiasm to show equality. Definitely you are not from Kerala.
RE:Become Muslims
by Maheswar Brahma on Jun 13, 2007 10:46 PM Permalink
Riyazuddin thanks for the advice. Now tell us should the Christians, Sikhs and Jains do?
RE:Become Muslims
by RKrishna on Jun 13, 2007 10:48 PM Permalink
religion of peace, my ass. Are you one of the dick and harry' telling what Islam is all about???
RE:RE:Become Muslims
by on Jun 13, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
dude Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone. perhaps the most sharply divided religion. shiya kills sunny, an sunni kills mujahid and so on. In India you guys in peace with each other because you are a minority. Muslims fight with each other in every part of the world where Muslim is a majority. But killing is inevitable. For your information, you are a born hindu, perhaps later converted to this killing religion.
RE:Become Muslims
by priyanka gandhi on Jun 13, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
yes u have some more good things.u can devide the people as believers and kafir.u have the direction from god to kill all kafirs,to make 4 wives and 25 children,to become human bombs and explodes himself in a temple.99% of the terrorists are muslims.indeed u are a religion of peace.my friend we r poor.but we dont want to become prostitute to earn money.
Let our politicians and statesmen treat Hindus as equals to the minorities at least. Will the govt. bring churches and mosques under govt. law? Will the govt. take away the offerings of devotees from the minority worship places for general development work, as is being done in the case of Hindu temples. I am not objecting to this practice. The practice is good, but then the yardstick should be same for Hindus, Muslims, Christians and all other religious places of worships. The vast majority of Hindus have the greatest respect for Christianity, Islam and other religions. And it is for this reason that there is peace in this country in spite of so much abuses and insults poured on the Hindus, picking up any and every sundry reasons. Hindus are not asking any one to treat them above others. Treat us as equal citizens like the citizens born or converted to minorities.
RE:Let Hindus be treated equals
by on Jun 14, 2007 12:10 AM Permalink
No way. Even if the religions want this to happen, the politicians wont let this happen.
RE:Let Hindus be treated equals
by on Jun 14, 2007 12:42 AM Permalink
Its time we(hindus)support the BJP like the minorities support the congress and atheist the left.
RE:In Church
by pp rr on Jun 13, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
Anuj,Purifying the temple because the other devotee is of lower caste/poor/unequal seems to me is utterly diffrent from not giving bread-wine that is meant for only "pure" devotees.As per christian statement of faith about this sacrament "anyone who eats this bread and wine without recognising its complete meaning or sacredeness invites divine wrath".This is applied to even the christian devotees.
RE:In Church
by GURU on Jun 13, 2007 11:00 PM Permalink
while a christian has a swine after mass, and a muslim has a beef after a prayer, a hindu has a theertha prasadam after a prayer.
