We sud understand religion in proper perspective. All the religion except hinduism has political connotation. Muhhamed started I slam in reply to christianity while death of Christ was related to plitical reasons prevailing that time. These religions did not evolve but were framed to suit worldly things. Since they were primarily politially motivated the rules and rituals are such that it insures persons loyalty and not the freedom of thought and discussion. I christian must assert only christ is truth rest are false. Same is the situation with Islam.In that respect hinduism is very different. In fact wide tracts of hinduism is unfathomable by the narrow philosophical exposure of other faiths. Now the time has come that Hinduism be revived in a manner that it does provide enough political thought such that it can stay in place of brutal compatition. Also religious practice boils down to number game. The majority will prevail. That is what other religions are doing. They are increasing their quantity irrespective of bothering about quality. We all know it is not inherent in us to deny sanctity of any faith and beliefe. We can coexist with any religion as we dont bother much about political or economic aspects of religion. But probably we sud think over it and under changed circumstantes of the world we sud cast a framework which cud provide a base for competition and survival
RE:Time to think
by ashoka priyadarshi on Jun 13, 2007 09:31 PM Permalink
not insecure but taking timely decisions. if u hane face sword u must have shield at least if not sword!
RE:Time to think
by Jeffrey Mittal on Jun 13, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Looks like you are baiting and the bashing the Hindus through the usual techniques
"Let the pavilions of religion be ground to bits, let the bricks of temples, mosques, guruduaras, churches be burned in blind fire, and upon those heaps of destruction let lovely flower gardens grow, spreading their fragrance. let children's schools and study halls grow.
For the welfare of humanity, now let prayer halls be turned into hospitals, orphanages, universities, Now let prayer halls become academies of art, fine art centers, scientific research institutes. Now let prayer halls be turned to golden rice fields in the radiant dawn, Open fields, rivers, restless seas. From now on, let religion's other name be humanity."
RE:Read this
by on Jun 13, 2007 10:49 PM Permalink
Rational is the right word. No christian, hinduu, muslim is going to agree with you. Dogmas still exist however free each religion is.
RE:Read this
by Simply Human on Jun 13, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
Perfecto! Rediff Hindus wont agree with you though. They are far to primitive to afford such sophistication
RE:Read this
by lover boy on Jun 13, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
@ simplyhuman,
Since when u started accepting and practising everything that was printed in name of "SECULARISM" and started moral policeing as what rediff hindus agree with or not.
Thanks god there are not "MODERN" & "SOPHISTICATED" to make up their mind and follow like a herd with every anti religion publication.
for some of us we value and respect our faith and hold it dear and if the " NON_REDIFF Hindus" can't understand the compassion for religion than it shows who is primitive in understanding the faith.
RE:Read this
by Simply Human on Jun 13, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
If so, why would they keep trying to "defend" hinduism. YOu find an interesting mix of ppl here. Some are brahmans who explicitly say they want to rule over everyone as it is their birthright. Other hindus try to disaparage other religions for no reason. Other hindus try to justify the closing of temple doors for other on variety of grounds. Most extol the virtues of Modi, BJP, RSS, VHP and Bajrandal
Interestingly, hardly any Hindu these days has read even one of the upteen sacred Hindu books and yet they all claim to be ambassadors of Hinduism.
Under all these circumstance how can you equate Hinduism with humanity? It is just another religion which is discovering it can be as fanatic and violent as others.
Why are crores being spent by the churches form the west to bribe poor tribals to convert or murder the opposition.(ref andhra,tripura etc.)
Instead of "simply" appreciating the beauty of her writings, you use it to BASH the Hindus.
Shows your true colours.
You dare calling Hindus primitive but seem to conveniently neglect the 1200 or more year old Semetic faiths which are still steeped in pure dogma of that era.
What great hypocrisy.
Reminds me of some pseudo seculars, like Arundhati Roy, Selva teestadand their ilk.
You are right in that we Hindus need to learn our scriptures more.
However Hinuism allows and encourages dicussion and arguments in our faith, unlike other faiths where " you have to blindly accept a certain Dogma without proof" and that guarantees you a ticket to an exclusive "heaven or hell"
Have you ever thought what a bunch of nonsense that is, instead of spending so much effort denigrating Sanatana Dharma.
I can argue any point in my Hindu faith and I am neither a so called Brahmin or a priest.
RE:RE:RE:Read this
by on Jun 13, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
Well said Simply Human. Hinduism is the most tolerant and powerful religion and I proud to be on.
SUCH ACT OF DISCRIMINATION CAN BE STOPPED ONLY WHEM DALITS, OBS'S ARE MADE PRIEST OF TEMPLE. AS GANDHIJI QUOTED DALITS AS "CHILDREN OF GOD". WHEN DALITS AND OBC'S ARE MADE PRIEST OF TEMPLE, THERE WON'T BE ANY SUCH PURIFICATION RITUALS IN FUTURE.
RE:PURIFICATION RITUALS
by Raunak Sharma on Jun 13, 2007 09:23 PM Permalink
Dude, its the plight of India that people like you are here. Remember, what Infosys' chief mentor Narayanmurthy said, "FOLLOW THE SYSTEM, DON'T MOCK IT." The system of purification and of priestship by a certain community has been prevailing since ages. And Dalits, who need RESERVATION to prove their worth have no right to do anything. God bless you!!!
RE:RE:PURIFICATION RITUALS
by SAVEINDIA on Jun 13, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
This is the TIME to abandon GURVAYUR TEMPLE, but you are saying follow the system. How stupid u r
RE:PURIFICATION RITUALS
by ashoka priyadarshi on Jun 13, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
According to GEETA all are shudra by birth. They become brahmin by knowledge only. In that sense I see all brahmins are true shudra. They dont knoe sanskrit . They cant read veda.They try to grab jobs like vaishya ans shudra and call them brahmin! Acoording to me in India only Hundreds of Brahmins are their. ll others claiming to be brahmin are actually shudra by birth.
RE:PURIFICATION RITUALS
by ashoka priyadarshi on Jun 13, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
According to GEETA all are shudra by birth. They become brahmin by knowledge only. In that sense I see all brahmins are true shudra. They dont know sanskrit . They cant read veda.They try to grab jobs like vaishya and shudra and call themselves brahmin! Acoording to me in India only Hundreds of Brahmins are their. All others claiming to be brahmin are actually shudra by birth.
kudhos to tantriji. when rules can be over looked then any body can enter into parliment, into cricket filed, into colleges , into operation theatre.
there is reason behind rule.as long as rule is there we have to follow.whether it is customary or legal rule. if majority feels rule is no more relavant you have to first scrap it but dont try to over take.this simple sense one shoul have. then no problem arises.
God is basically staying in our hearts deep and guiding us right and wrong all the 24 years ; places of worship provide a collection point for reflecting in a serene atmosphere ; day by day these places of worship also become place for debates/discussion/arguments/controversy/conflict and such a situation, does God like to reside in such an environment; in fact, he will prefer to reside in a heart of pure prayer, feeling, affection, compassion and kindness ; God resides in such locations - that is the heart of the common man who looks upto Him to give him peace, happiness, strength and above all a feeling that he is cared for by HIM .. in any form or image or imagination.. GOD is always GREAT beign the creator, mentor of this universe..
RE:God is imagined by Man in a Worship place
by Prasanth Pathiyil on Jun 13, 2007 08:53 PM Permalink
There is no god in this world. Believe only what u see, If there were gods, there wouldn't be any Earthquake,Tsunami,Communalism whatever. Dear brothers, be brave, it need guts to change our age old beleifs and superstitions. No god, thats all, live peacefully, with out hurting others sentiments and feelings. Thanks
RE:God is imagined by Man in a Worship place
by venkat on Jun 13, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
Please tell me how earthquake, tsunami are formed. Please tell me why the same nature which causes such destruction provides you oxygen, fine env for living. Why nature is doing like this? Who is this nature? Who is the one responsible for creating you from a single cell to a human being? Please answer this first and then talk "No God" things.
RE:God is imagined by Man in a Worship place
by joshua joseph on Jun 13, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
God gave us perfect world in Eaden garden and it was mans fault he sinned and due to this we see evil,many natural calamities are caused by humans who exploited their natural resources ,robbed the nature and do to this ozone depletion, global warming etc. god did not create evil . every thing has a opposite,if u say god is good then there must be its opposite something evil. I cant get a word which has no antonym. so God exist and HE cannot be comprihended by mens mind we can only experaince God if our hearts are open.
RE:God is imagined by Man in a Worship place
by hirva trivedi on Jun 13, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
err, why would tsunami,or earthquake etc not be part of god's design?. the problem is with what you expect your god to be. did someone guarantee that god exists to do the nice things alone?. best is to accept everything as god's creation -bad and good.
We have to make a rule that no upper class priest can occupy as Temple priest. These upperclass temple priest are the root cause of all problems in HINDUISM.
RE:Kick away this Tantri out of this TEMPLE.
by Surya Narayanan on Jun 13, 2007 08:57 PM Permalink
man, u seem to be one of those people who wants to create a bad name for the brahmins just because he followed a rule.
you are one of those who want to victimize brahmins under the pretext of seculaarism
RE:Kick away this Tantri out of this TEMPLE.
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jun 13, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
Surya - get out of this Brahmin being victim mentality. Develop scientific rationalism and stop believing in rituals and these gods in temples. You will find the world a much better place to live. Hindu society wil develop only if Brahmins and other upper caste stop believing that they are in anyway ( spiritually or otherwise ) superior to others. The more your express such beliefs - the more the Brahmins will suffer in future. Keep your head down and get this silly Brahminism off your head.
RE:Kick away this Tantri out of this TEMPLE.
by swan on Jun 13, 2007 09:01 PM Permalink
these r learned people....its coz of these people that the purity of the temples r still there. Hindu temple r charged with divine energy n to keep this energy growing n positive some retuals r required which is best performed by Brahmins as they have been taking over from centuries . just dont blame anybody without knowing the facts.
RE:Kick away this Tantri out of this TEMPLE.
by ashoka priyadarshi on Jun 13, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
Brahmins never ruled. It is ur illusion that brahmins rulled. Brahmins has done much harm to hinduism for their interest. now time is changing
RE:Kick away this Tantri out of this TEMPLE.
by SAVEINDIA on Jun 13, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
You can only rule the stones in the temples. Where are you man?.
Today you are in a position to harvest the misdeed which your community did for the last 2000 years.
Its our time now. You brahmins speak about hinduism because of non-brahmins only. Day will come when we all leave this hiduism.
Wait and watch.After that you can only speak to stones inside the temples. All the best.
RE:Kick away this Tantri out of this TEMPLE.
by Prashant Shah on Jun 13, 2007 09:38 PM Permalink
Hinduism is the oldest religion of all and i bet it will never diminish. n5388
RE:Kick away this Tantri out of this TEMPLE.
by SAVEINDIA on Jun 13, 2007 09:53 PM Permalink
It is is persishing. Check the data of hindus in india. Its declining.
As a hindu by seeing these kind of priest in GURUVAYUR, by seeing hatred preaching Brahmins how can a non-brahmin like me continue as a hindu? - Never.
I love JESUS , BUDDHA- When time come i will throw away my HINDU cap.
RE:RE:Kick away this Tantri out of this TEMPLE.
by Purohit Shastry on Jun 13, 2007 09:29 PM Permalink
what abishek said was wrong jeffery.we have to accept that and not call it a conversion attempt.
RE:RE:Kick away this Tantri out of this TEMPLE.
by Purohit Shastry on Jun 13, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
abishek is bringing a bad name to brahmins. this ruling over others boast has made us what we are today! pathetic!
RE:We dont want to Enter
by Sethu Madhavan on Jun 13, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
For a beleiver no explanation is required and for a non-believer nothing will suffice so please do not try to put things from your perspective.
RE:We dont want to Enter
by SR Hari on Jun 13, 2007 09:03 PM Permalink
Pls tell this to ur christian friends... Also, let them not interfere into Hinduism or Hindu Temples. It all began with the Christian entering the temple.
RE:We dont want to Enter
by navneet bhatnagar on Jun 13, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
your reaction is only as bad as the actions of the high priest/tantri. until unless we all stop thinking that my/our religion is the best we will continue to have such regrettable incidents. also lets not drag bible into it. all religion need to adapt for peaceful coexistence but unfortunately all religions without exception have stopped to evolve long long back. navneet B
RE:We dont want to Enter
by X on Jun 13, 2007 09:00 PM Permalink
exactly............. keep to your religion, dont create a bad name for hindus just because u r not a hindu
RE:RE:We dont want to Enter
by Sanjeev Verma on Jun 13, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
Vedas also say that Idol worship is a sin. I think that all major religions say that Idol worship is a sin. Idol worship as practiced by Hindus belong to pre-Vedic india.
RE:We dont want to Enter
by Harsha seshamurthy on Jun 13, 2007 09:12 PM Permalink
Pl note that inspite of so called Sin if any one do Idol worshipping in Bibal / Muslim religion,Pl note that both Chirstians and Muslims also do Idol worshipping.Example In the church U find mary with child chirst or Chirst on the Cross,and Muslims worship in the direction of Kaaba or picture of Kaaba on the mat they use for worship and this is nothing but a form of Idol worship.Hence U shld not blame others for Idol worship rather introspect yr own religion and keep quite.Pl note that I am not commenting on the relgion and I do hv respect towards all religion as at the end of the day every one prays to god but mode is diffrent and hence one shld hv tolerance rater than simply jump in to conclusion.Basically its once own belief and nothing else.Hope U agree with my pont of view and desist from giving -ve comments .
RE:We dont want to Enter
by Cricket s on Jun 13, 2007 08:56 PM Permalink
what is important is that people should be aware of the existence of God and worship to God if they want to. Ridiculing one form of worship over other is nothing but fanaticism. It does not matter if it is done with or without an idol. What is the big deal about an Idol worship. Bible was written 75 years after Jesus's death. Several passages were added and deleted to suit the time and each ones convinience. dont tell me someone was infront of Jesus and video/audio recording whatever Jesus said. And stop quoting Bible to suit your agenda. Just be open-minded about people and their beliefs. We do not have a perfect religion or a person in this world. Bible says so many things that dont make any sense....so let me leave right there
RE:We dont want to Enter
by David PrabhuKiran on Jun 13, 2007 09:11 PM Permalink
Mr. Cricket, while I would say that criticizing one form of worship and saying their form of worship is wrong,I'm really much in dispute of the fact that the bible was written 75 years after Jesus's death and resurrection. The bible consists of new testament and the old testament. The old testament was written much more before Jesus time. It says so many things about Jesus coming. The new testament was written by the people who followed Jesus Christ and experienced His love. I would ask you very humbly to read the bible and look at the books of the bible and check out what dates they were written on the internet. You can see the answer for yourself. As for the fact of idol worship, everyone of us have idols in our lives. we have ourselves, we idolize movie stars and wish to be like them, we idolise tv, we look for material comforts. Idols in the bible dont only mean the idols of other gods. it means the idols in our hearts too. The Bible also says, " God does not reside in the walls made of stone, but He seeks to reside in the hearts of the believers". It is not some misguided agenda it is a true definition of faith. Well i hope you understand. Any more further queries. direct your questions to davidprabhukiran@yahoo.co.in. I shall try to answer them to the best of my ability.
RE:We dont want to Enter
by SAVEINDIA on Jun 13, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
My Dear friend, I love your way of answers. People has posted messages against your faith.But yet you answered in patience by keeping the love preached by JESUS.
I love JESUS very much as he didnt ever spoke about hatreds.He even said love your enemies. I love JESUS.
As a Hindu i am asking you, can you send BIBLE to me with brief description of each chapters. Hatred is been preached in my hindu society.
Thank you. i would like to know more about JESUS CHRIST.
RE:We dont want to Enter
by Prashant Shah on Jun 13, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
Hi Mr. Saveindia. From ur words i can definitely say u know nothing abt vedas.
RE:RE:We dont want to Enter
by SAVEINDIA on Jun 13, 2007 09:04 PM Permalink
My dear friend, The quote Mr.Raymond posted here was written in bible some 4000-5000 years before the birth of JESUS.As a hindu i know this is one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS given to MOSES long long ago before the birth of JESUS.
As a HINDU,i love JESUS as he didnt preach violence nor he preached hatred. Being a hindu,I dont believe in caste system preached by our VEDAS. These vedas describing the caste system has become the curse of india. These VEDAS has created so many troubles in india thru castes.
But one thing i understand, all people from all other religions treat me equal except my own religion hinduism. There is a basic fault in my religion of hinduism.That i accept.
RE:We dont want to Enter
by ahmed shaikh on Jun 13, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
I am sure u and ur forefathers were all hindus once! Tell me don't u see an idol of Jesus every time u go to church?
RE:We dont want to Enter
by venkat on Jun 13, 2007 09:01 PM Permalink
Jesus in front of a cross crucified. What is it called? Is that not an idol? So you are disrespecting bible by being a christian itself. You are a confused person.
RE:RE:We dont want to Enter
by SAVEINDIA on Jun 13, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
Atleast JESUS preached love man.But our vedas preached hatreds by CASTE SYSTEM.
RE:We dont want to Enter
by venkat on Jun 13, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
Jesus preached love but do current christians do that? You insult other religions? Please cite me from vedas where exactly caste system is specified. Please also tell me whether "caste system is by birth" as per vedas.
People are discussing about an issue related to Hindus, I simply DO NOT understand why it has to be compared to other religions?????? Do hell with other religions. Those who are doing this are not doing any good to Hinduism, they should rather discuss what is right and what is wrong in HINDUISM. Why this simple thing cannot go to the minds of these NUTS!!!!
RE:Disgusting!!!
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jun 13, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
Worst are those characters when we try and see points of improvements in our society - these jokers come out and wants us to make some statements against "evils of Islam" and " conversion tactics of christians" when frankly that is none of our business. We have to take the Hindu ( and I am saying that as an athiest ! ) to new levels of scientific enlightement so that no one competes with us . Only the Chinese seem to be ahead of us in that...
