The interview by Chennas is very clear. He is not against entry of any one having faith in Hinduism and if the person belongs to another religion, could gain entry by affirmation. Do you have this kind of tolerance in other religions? Can you gain entry in Parsi temples? The Tantri is also clear that it is for the rulers to make the rules which are to be implemented by him. Where is the Brahminical arrogance in such a stand,as alleged by Sudhakaran et al? Perhaps, in the entire country, Kerala is one state where the sanctity of the temples, is still being maintained ( I am not from Kerala). Let us preserve our heritage and not allow it to be trampled by people like Ravi. Quoting Savarkar is totally out of context.
RE:Law for allowing everyone?
by Tinda on Jun 07, 2007 01:23 AM Permalink
The dhoti of Manmohan Singh will get wet if passes a law allowing entry of christians into mosques.
God is everywhere, not just in temple. You can pray anywhere, to any object. But in order to follow that logic, you need to experiment with life like the great saints of the past did, you really have the true experience of the existance of God thru experiments and research the science of coincidences. Once you are 100% convinced of the existance of God, you do not need temples or any objects for worship.
Temple is for common people like us to run to when in grief. It is a place where people should come with pure mind. In such a place, when people gather and talk and socialize, that is a better social process than when the same set of people socialize in a Bar. That is because in temple, you try to avoid all bads in you. In bar there is no such restriction.
So in older times, temples were intended as a place where people socialize in its best way which would create a positive impact in the society. Even though the original intention was that, I suspect that intention has ever been practised.
Today, temples are just a ritual place. People go there, pray, pay cash for poojas, priest does something nobody knows what, priest makes rules to protect his jobs.
Who is a hindu ? Can anyone answer. As long as noone can answer, noone can restrict non-hindus. Whoever believes in god is hindu. How can someone distinguish between Jesus and Krishna. If anyone does that he has no knowledge of Vedas and upanishads. Sankaracharya's advaitha is the core of hinduism.
RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Bala Saaheb on Jun 07, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
foolish bongi ... are you out of sorts today, what are you talking about
you mean that there should be a division in temples. One gate reserved for the cow killers and meat eaters and other for the pure vegetarians.
Then you will have to arrange for vegetarian and non-veg prasads
I cant image priests in our temples perform pujas in alcoholic states, drinking and enjoying alcohol.
What are you talking about a political hindu and a dietary hindu.
I have now come to a conclusion that rules should be strictly followed and anyone trying to misuse the temple sanctity should be kicked in the Bay of Bengal.
RE:RE:RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 01:15 AM Permalink
May be its the bengali brahmins that periyar visited and got pissed off and started anti-Brahminism.
Even I cannot imagine non-veg and alchohol inside temple. Its blasphemy!
RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Bala Saaheb on Jun 07, 2007 01:18 AM Permalink
this stupid bongi should be buried live in Bay of Bengal for making blasphemous statements and dividing Hindus ... i havent seen such foolish pretending Hindu
RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Tinda on Jun 07, 2007 01:25 AM Permalink
This Bala Saheb is a convert under a Hindu name.
RE:RE:RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 01:24 AM Permalink
Onion and garlic instigate Tamasic characteristics and some base animal behavior. So South Indian brahmins avoid food with garlic and onion.
Yes, they are vegetables.
Are you aware of Sattva, Rajas & Tamas attributes?
RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 01:32 AM Permalink
What u r saying is political. What I am implying is Spiritual.
We need a spiritual revolution. Not just political revolution.
RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by abc on Jun 07, 2007 01:55 AM Permalink
Brahmins are the supreme race.
RE:RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 07, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
>>Brahmins are the supreme race
Race is a western concept.
The secular meaning of "Krishna", a top Hindu God, in Sanskrit means BLACK.
RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Sivaram Iyer on Jun 07, 2007 02:51 AM Permalink
and people from an indian state considers fish as flower that grows in water! hwo about that?
RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 01:07 AM Permalink
If you base things on culture then Indian Xians Muslims are a part of Hindutva too right?
There is a flaw in this logic.
We can say that Hindutva means a nation that follows Dharmic Principles like Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism etc.
RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
So I dont get it? You support Hindutva? So what is that Hindutva tries to accomplish? If everything is by culture then currently India is a Hindutva nation.
RE:Some people are surprised hearing Bengali (and Kashmiri) Brahmins eat meat!
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 01:20 AM Permalink
Man...I dont care about what Hindutva means. I want India to be a Hindu republic because Hinduism in inherently secular.
We need to enforce Baghavad Gita in class rooms, enforce civic and national duty, adopt Vedic ways of life etc.
Sorry to put his here. It is not related to this news, but something everybody should know about. Truly inspiring. Hey rediff people, why don't you cover news like these - http://infotech.indiatimes.com/Tech_News/Careers/Education/Now_IITians_help_poor_crack_IIT-JEE/articleshow/msid-2103003,curpg -2.cms Its so nice. This kind of efforts are the answer to the problem of upliftment of backwards, not reservations.
1. Evangelical Christians not other Christians like Syrian Xians. 2. Fundamental-Mullah Islam 3. Communist Parties 4. Dravidian Atheist parties like DMK 5. Aryan Invasion Theory 6. Pseudo-secularism
RE:Obstacles for Indian
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
If you clean the mullah-propagated fundamentalist Islam and learn to peacefully live with Hindus as Indians, RSS and VHP will disappear by iteself.
Unless that stops we need VHP and RSS to check on the Muslims every now and then to keep them under the stick.
RE:Obstacles for Indian
by sudhanshu shekhar singh on Jun 07, 2007 01:06 AM Permalink
these are not nationalists. these are goons. people good for nothin who claim themselves to be saviours of indian culture.
RE:Obstacles for Indian
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 01:08 AM Permalink
If not for these goons, who do you think will protect innocent and peace-loving Hindus? The police? The army?
We need such orgs to keep fundamentalists under control.
If they wont listen to sense then perhaps they will listen to violence.
RE:Obstacles for Indian
by abc on Jun 07, 2007 01:58 AM Permalink
Inadvertently Human you are absolutely right...they protect the upper caste hindus and kill the dalits.
RE:Obstacles for Indian
by Sankaranarayanan Doraiswamy on Jun 07, 2007 01:31 AM Permalink
Are the people who elected them goons. Congress wanted rule by the people not by only Nehru family and Feroze Gandhi family. The great Gandhi wanted us to give everything in Bengal to Islam. In which category he will be as per your norm. State to state the culture and habit differs. Sardar Patel joined all the small states but Nehru divided it on the basis of language. Nehru gave special status to Kashmir Why?Is it because of RSS or Bajrangdal.Are they the good nationaists as per your dictionary?
Today seldom one knows the indepth essences of 'hinduism' and want to undermine its 'shastra directed methods' Why non performers in 'hinduism' has to go to temple? In 'hinduism' every ritual is birth based! Because 'the life' itself is by WILL of the GOD, who created this universe! "Purity' is a second factor! By purity it means purity in birth, after birth the body, the mind, the activities and all deeds of life! The 'salvation'is the goal in life, which one may attain or not, one must try continuously, but if attained by pure mercy of GOD, is on account of the only effort that a man can make is purity of mind attained though the purity of the body ! Most people are failing in that, do whatever they like and demand against privisions of 'shastras'! And cry ' we want this , we want that' Acceding to such demands are against the morals of 'hinduism' whether people remain 'hindu' or quit! Mr Rav did quit! H e married Maria of his own fancy! Against the provisions of a marriage for him!Now hwe wants to get the status of a 'hindu' who is arduously following it! IT IS ENCROACHMENT UPON 'HINDU RIGHTS'AND SO UNCONSTITUTIONAL TOO!
You can do darshanam from outside why you want to go inside. I always do darshan from outside of the temple flag and i am born brahmin by the way pplz.. I am in us i always help out ppls in india for education & food ..never donate money in temple.. I think ppls should donate money in NGO and other organization and help out ppl who needs help why to worry about temple all kinda stuff
RE:why to go to the temple
by Bala Saaheb on Jun 07, 2007 12:54 AM Permalink
you are an another atheist with a rubbish idea, go get your basics brushed up
RE:why to go to the temple
by abc on Jun 07, 2007 02:04 AM Permalink
Stupid Rahul Khanna stop whining and help RSS/Shiv Sena/Bajrang Dal to bring back converted hindus back to where they belong.
I had a very strange experience in a gujrat temple, I belong to west bengal and people think I am a bong based on my accent.
Once me and my family were on tour to Gujrat Dwarka, Somnath and other temples. One day we tried to get into a temple and before we could enter one person asked us where did we belong to and we said calcutta. The next question was asked whether we were hindus we said Yes. then they asked whether we ate non-veg and we said Yes.
and we were shocked that myself and my family were literally pushed out of the [even my old parents and wife]. And we stood there and watched in shock that the maharaj of the temple along with his family members was washing the stair cases were we stood. And this happended in 2006.
I am sure this might have happened to many hindus. I think we are to be blamed for such mentality
RE:Temple and Hindu
by Akash Malhotra on Jun 07, 2007 01:02 AM Permalink
Rahul you must be a jain, because you feel people eating Meat should not be allowed in temples
RE:Temple and Hindu
by Akshay Bhatt on Jun 07, 2007 02:46 AM Permalink
You are telling a bullshit story. I and our bengali friends with families have visited Dwarka, btw, I am from Gujarat, many times. We never had any problems, neither did the bengali families. What is this crap that you are talking about?
RE:Temple and Hindu
by Akash Malhotra on Jun 07, 2007 03:57 AM Permalink
Read the comments it is about krishna temple in Jamnagar and not Dwarka and Somnath. We visted this place when we were touring gujrat.
RE:Temple and Hindu
by BostonPunekar on Jun 07, 2007 12:54 AM Permalink
Thats a lie..I dont believe that.
Small background. The Somnath temple was completely razed to ground 17 times by invadors through out history and it was rebuilt that many times. The last time ie the 18th time it was rebuilt by the iron man of India Sardar Vallabhai Patel himself.
RE:Temple and Hindu
by BostonPunekar on Jun 07, 2007 12:58 AM Permalink
I have been to the Somnath Temple and sure it was very well guarded, courtesy the post Akshardham incedent. We were checked by the police , but it was a police checking and none of that sorts that Akash mentioned.
RE:RE:Temple and Hindu
by Akash Malhotra on Jun 07, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
I did not mention Somnath temple Please read my message, I said a krishna temple in Jamnagar and not dwarka and somnath
RE:Temple and Hindu
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
Follow these to prevent such occurances:
1. No meat eating 2. No gambling 3. No sex outside marriage 4. No alchohol 5. No Smoking 6. Knowledgeable in Vedic chants and prayer 7. Three showers a day 8. Three prayers a day 9. Strick adherence to Vedas and Shastras 10. Observe all Hindu rituals and perform Penance.
