The main subject was the entry of non-hindus in temple. But subject derailed in a direction of supremacy of brahmins. What is the relation. All scripts and upanishads are not written by any brahmin. They are written by Rishis, nobody knows who they are. Many brahmins appointed them as their aboriginal forefather just to claim the ownership and rights on scripts. Veda Vyasa who is the creator of 4 Vedas was son of a fisher woman. Right from that time, knowledge was not the property of any caste.
After several years of experiments, Adi Sankaracharya found Advaita which is the core of indian philosophy. Today brahmins are in high jobs not because of any intellectaul capability, but they had access to schools run by britishers and other did not have. Means, Brahmins had over 100 years of reservation in schools and employment.
In this century at least, can't people think beyond caste, creed and sect and cult and all. If you believe in god, why can't people see him in everything in this world. How come muslim is different from a hindu, in what way ? How can one say Jesus Christ is worse God than Krishan. What is the comparison ? Hinduism see only one god which is Parabrahmam, all other things are its manifestations including every linving and non-living things in this world and gods like krishan, siva, jesus, allah all.
Open the doors of temple for anyone who wish to find God in there.
RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 02:57 AM Permalink
Dont try to use ur flowery words to manipulate audience. Your passe' views are full of errors with respect to references and contexts.
Brahmins might have used the existing system to its advantage but they never involved in sectarian voilence. There has been no recorded evidence against Brahmins aggression.
Brahmins aggression is a myth! How can a vegetarian, non-united group of meek men abuse physically stronger dalits and other lower castes?
You obviosuly have been brain-washed by periarites, DK and fundamentalist christian orgs.
From first century through 20 the century India was the richest country in terms of GDP and Purchaing Power Parity. It was largely due to the Brahmins advicing the Kshatriya Kings in implementing policies and procedures. Vaishyas follwed Vedic Dharma to perform business related activities and Shudras helped the other three castes to improve the soceity.
All the violence was created by middle and lower castes against Dalits and OBCs. There was never a Brahminical violence ever recorded.
Periyar's concept of anti-Brahminism is null and void because he based his interpretations on few Brahmins who abused their powers.
We should NEVER and will NEVER open doors for everyone.
Hindu temples are for Hindus only.
Up urs with your anti-Brahminism and anti-Hinduism u neo-christian convert POS. You lousy thugs should be dragged to streets and shot mercilessly.
RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by Mark on Jun 07, 2007 03:06 AM Permalink
Actually that is what the Brahmins used to do: drag ppl on streets and lynch them.
If Brahmins are meek vegetarians why do our vedas describe dishes using beef? Meat eating was abolished by Brahmans after the reign of Ashoka when Buddhism threatened to wipe away Hinduism.
The violent and intolerant mind is hopefully not a representative of Hinduism or else other religions are probably a better alternative to Hinduism.
Somehow ppl like you think Hinduism is a weak religion who has only recently acquired strength due to ppl of ur ilk. The strength of Hinduism can be guaged by its survival through more than 5 milleniums. It seems you have little idea, (or for that reason, unfortunately most Hindus of today) about the real strength behind the Hindu philosphy. If ppl like you end up domininating Hinduism it will eventually be replaced by Christianity (just like it will happen to Islam as well) at some point in distant future
RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 03:17 AM Permalink
Here comes another slimy POS from ghettos of India! Vedas taught making dished with Beef? Where did u read that u capital retard? Did the missionary take ur brains along with ur balls?
Your references to Buddhism is laughable even for a 10 year old school girl. Buddhism cannot stand against the concepts and conceptions of Hinduism. Adi Shankara (a Brahmin - u retarded moron) converted majority of these athiest back to Sanathan Dharma in order to re-establish the supremacy of Vedas.
If it were up to junk worms like u and ur family you dick wads would have sold Hinduism to Muslims and Xians for Rs. 10. Thank God for the Brahmins for they and the kshatriyas maintained the legacy of Sanathan Dharma.
Your low-life "janthus" have taught us Brahmins to take up violence. Since u dont listen to words may be ur clan will listen to our slippers and talwars.
Keep up with the anti-Brahmins nonsense and one day you are going to be dragged into the middle and get ur butt kicked.
You coward POS.
If you are such a smart a&& why did it take u 5 times to pass a course when your Brahmins class-mates kicked ur retarded ass to the moon?
RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by vimalan sadhasivam on Jun 07, 2007 03:44 AM Permalink
ya..you will always be a winner...coward..masking identity and showing ugly brahmin mentality..
RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by ss on Jun 07, 2007 03:25 AM Permalink
Why Does a Kshatriya King needs the advice of Brahmins? are the Brahmins the Source of Knowledge?
RE:RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 03:31 AM Permalink
Yes. That is the duty of the Brahmanas per the Vedic literatures. Teaching, practicing austerity, compasssion, knowledge, purity are the attributes of a Brahmin.
RE:RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by ss on Jun 07, 2007 03:49 AM Permalink
so you mean to say that Brahmins are intelligent and the rest of them have to get the knowledge from them?
Teaching, practicing austerity, compasssion, knowledge, purity are the attributes of a Brahmin and not for others?
vedic literatures say many more things like Brahmin Should not travel abroad, save money, live a simple life etc, etc
as per your description how many brahmins will have these qualities Teaching, practicing austerity, compasssion, knowledge, purity
RE:RE:RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 03:57 AM Permalink
Good point. I am not advocation for the Brahmins. I am advocation against the concept of anti-Brahminism which in incorrect because according to Hinduism Brahmin is the supreme abode a human can reach in human form. It is the one every Hindu should aspire for. Brahmins are made and not born
RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by ss on Jun 07, 2007 04:16 AM Permalink
ok thanks i agree with you but you started playing with words now brahmin, brahminism etc.
if we continue i am sure the real community feelings will start to flow. All my point here is if brahmins want hindu, Hinduism and their rights they have to get in to field and fight for it. not follow the cunning way of BJP which used kanchi Sankaracharya like a toilet tissue for their own benefits and threw the hindu sentiments when he was arrested.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Hinduism encompasses all religions
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 03:55 AM Permalink
Vedas are not written. Vedas are compiled by Veda Vyasar. Vedas have no origin, no middle and no end. It is transcendental, eternal and constant.
How do u low-life periyar porumbokkus can even comprehend the concept of Vedas?
Tantri is following the rules which are laid for generations and generations, he is not making up anything to allow or not to allow anybody in the temple. I think this commie minister using his position try to intimidate the tantri to perform the rituals on a christian. Minister should have gone to Arya Samajists to get the certificate stating that he is the devotee of the deity. What is wrong in it. This high time we hindus stand to this kind of garbage and teach these godless commies a lesson of life time.
RE:Dimple
by Jas Sand on Jun 07, 2007 02:25 AM Permalink
Yes time to think - Whether this is better than a dead body hanging to a Cross and wasting lots of money in a world gripped of poverty
I can be as foolish as you dude, go fly a kite :))
RE:Dimple
by vinay kumar inala on Jun 07, 2007 02:26 AM Permalink
Only a man with a name like yours could have said that. Why dont u guys who collect a lot of money in the name of missionaties and charity help ppl out, WITH OUT TRYING TO CONVERT THEM.
RE:Notice --->
by Akshay Bhatt on Jun 07, 2007 02:24 AM Permalink
I dont think anyone needs to be converted to hindu, if they want to visit the temples. Let them visit it first and then convert/not convert.
but yes your statement about Hindus is def. a good one. Who are these priests to decide who should come. You cannot prevent anyone from worshipping God.
There is nothing wrong in allowing people from other religion/community to enter hindu temple., but all visitors should follow/abide by the rules of the temple. This is being followed in all other countries in mosques/churches, etc.,. Those not able to abide by rules stop visiting such places, this happens in Mecca, not everyone willing to visit this place as local rules are stingent.
RE:Allow but follow regualations of temple
by photonman on Jun 07, 2007 01:33 AM Permalink
I agree. Try entering Mecca while saying that you're a 'kafir'. You'll probably be beheaded.
The larger point is - anyone can enter any place as long as they play by the rules. If we allow anyone to enter a temple, then what prevents Christian missionaries from coming in?
In spite of there being a law prohibiting non-Hindus from entering Tirumala, Christian missionaries enter the piligrim town and talk rot.
RE:Allow but follow regualations of temple
by Surya on Jun 07, 2007 02:27 AM Permalink
photonman
Christian missionaries entering temple and talking rot is wrong. But Ravi and his wife are not Christian missionaries he believed in and had faith in a hindhu g_d, what about that?
RE:Allow but follow regualations of temple
by Reddy on Jun 07, 2007 03:02 AM Permalink
I hope government gets this and passes a bill so that all the religious places follow their own rules without any outside interference.
RE:Allow but follow regualations of temple
by talk cool on Jun 07, 2007 01:29 AM Permalink
A non-muslim can't enter 100km radius of Macca, Saudi Arabia. If they come it is allowed by koran that he be beheaded.
I find pity with this head priest. At one side he has to follow traditions which was given over him from generations.At another side he has to face this critisisms.
I guess a true Brahmin will not be against any humans. It is all the Hando work of Zamindhars, Politicians.
Brahmins are all supreme because they are intelligent,90% of Media,industries and top job are with them.since many years they are doing service for temple and handling other activities.Brahmins can only do not other castes people
RE:Supreme
by pravin gupta on Jun 07, 2007 05:47 AM Permalink
India is doing extremely good under SONIAJI. Under her stock market is booming, foreign reserves are at an all time high, manufacturing is booming and internal situation is pretty good, No problems with neighbours, if small problems like gujjar reservation, dera sacha and terrorist bomb blast are taken out. This quiet christian lady will lead India to great successes in the near future. Honestly speaking how Indians want the likes of Mulayam, Mayawati, Laloo, Advani etc. to take the centre stage. But she should definitely refrain from becoming PM. Some people can be really lucky to india. We continue to need her presence at the top.Good luck to SONIAJI and India.
RE:Supreme
by greatrr on Jun 07, 2007 02:45 AM Permalink
My friend surya - am really curious to know what is that periyar achieved in his lifetime? or even ambedkar. ambedkar married a brahmin lady - why not a SC/ST person? basically if I am preaching something to the society - nobody would listen to me if I myself dont follow it.
RE:Supreme
by Mukesh Garg on Jun 07, 2007 01:42 AM Permalink
Brahmins are intelligent, but that does not mean others are not. Others are not doing these activities because they were never allowed to do so.
RE:Supreme
by abc on Jun 07, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
If othere were intelligent then we dont need BC/SC/ST reservations in this country. Take it or leave it the matter of fact is brahmins are superior to other castes.
RE:Supreme
by Surya on Jun 07, 2007 02:43 AM Permalink
abc
You are right abc if others were as intelligent as brahmins, then there wont be BC/SC/ST reservations either it would be a christian/muslim/buddist/sikh countries not India.And brahmins would do their own bathroom cleaning and chandal work in their own country.
RE:Supreme
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 01:26 AM Permalink
Dude, stop creating Brahmin hate in this forum. No individual can claim superiority by birth. I am brahmin myself but there is nothing to be proud of being born in a brahmin family.
In Kali Yuga everyone is born a Shudra. Srimad Baghavadham says that.
RE:Supreme
by Subramaniam Dharmarajan on Jun 07, 2007 01:52 AM Permalink
Am sure DilipSoni is a notorious convert, who is trying to falsely proclaim about Brahmins. Guys, please do not use this forum to create hatred by posting unnecessary responses
RE:RE:Supreme
by pravin gupta on Jun 07, 2007 05:55 AM Permalink
Brahmins are like ``andho mein kana raja'' Your so called intellectuals are a no no in world competions. India prides itself of a software giant. Well, indians are participating in the World Programmers Contest for the last several years. Most participants are from IITs and therfore Brahmins. They have continually failed to be among the top ten in the world. What intelligence? Brahmins should compare themselves with people of other nations instead of belittling the unprivileged class and gloating about superiority and muck.
RE:Supreme
by Subramaniam Dharmarajan on Jun 07, 2007 02:29 AM Permalink
I myself is a Brahmin and am proud of that. I also agree what Dilip says, but some of the lines made me feel that he is someone who is trying to create some sort of hatred or friction.
RE:RE:Supreme
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 02:20 AM Permalink
Are u a brahmin? Whats your gothram? What is ur sect? Let us see if u a brahmins or a micheif mongruel trying to perpetrade brahmin hatred.
