if vayalar ravi or for that matter Yesudas, are true bhaktas of guruvayurappan, what they should do is to keep quite...god will show them the way...both ravi and yesudas has brought disgrace to the great temple by bringing such an issue to the public!! shame on the minister and shame of the GREAT SINGER!! already that temple is so much crowded,just by entry by hindus, cant think of going to that temple where women will now enter in purdah!!! my sweet memories of guruvayur temple is beginning to be faded !! Tell me any other temple in the world, where one gets tears in the eyes, looking at the deity??? Only Vishnu can save that temple now!!
RE:vayalar ravi
by MJ on Jun 06, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
You are right. Curse be on those people like Ravi who bring bad name to the temple for their personal gains.
RE:vayalar ravi
by DENZIL RUDOLPH LOBO on Jun 06, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
If someone has the right to Curse then he should be ready to receive a curse. Might be it did not happen to you or me and if at all it happened or might happen then might be the feelings will hurt for each and every person irrespective World famous Singer or a Politician. %u201CNO GOD HAS MADE ANY RULES IF AT ALL HE HAD THEN HE WOULD HAVE CREATED EVERY RELIGION FOLLOWERS OF DIFFERENT SHAPES SIZES AND COLOUR THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT%u201D. GOD did not make any religion MAN made them and GOD doesn%u2019t demand any purification nowhere at has been written nether in VEDAS or any HOLY BOOKS of every belief if at all it has been written then it has been misunderstood keep the place of worship clean means not only the place but every individual both physically, and mentally. No priest can object on any one unless an individual is abusing the place by misbehavior like consuming alcohol, smoking, narcotics or adultery etc.
This is not the fist issue many individuals following different beliefs have written or gone to the court of law not against the religion but against the system followed or implemented by the high priests.
If at all Guruvayur temple head priest Chennas Raman Namboodiripad is following such system then the temple might be under such ceremonies every minute through out the year because the people coming there might be Hindus in faith but the practices their eating habits, the costume they were (Manf. By other Religion), the footwear if leath
RE:RE:vayalar ravi
by venugopal reddy on Jun 06, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
u got to respect their practices u have gone to the extent of talking about vedas, i think u might have picked up bits & pieces about vedas.First learn to respect the procedures of that temple no one is forcing you to visit this temple if u follow them go there otherwise mind your business these are certain procudures of this place follow them if u want to visit or otherwise just keep off
RE:RE:vayalar ravi
by venugopal reddy on Jun 06, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
may be an individual might have made mistake but not the religion .I personally feel that hinduism is the m ost tolerant religion when u talk of a change this is not business of attracting more visitors to the temples when u quote bhgvad gita you should also quote many more good things from it not just quote for your convenience Gita also tells you to do your duty & forget the result to god now the priests are just following them now just keep off
RE:vayalar ravi
by venkat on Jun 06, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
You are right in one way that Hinduism should reform. But why Non Hindus be allowed inside temples without any devotional aspect? Do they be allowed to watch sculptures and interpret it in the way they like.. I agreed that laws must be reformed to include converted Hindus or any HIndu (whether his father or mother belong to diff.religion) to enter the temple.
It is high time the temple changes the rule about non-hindus are not allowed to enter and worship Lord. Lord himself never advocated such things as we read in Gita..why the man should make such rubbish laws and follow it in this Century also... It is a very pity state of affairs.. A real devotee like K.Jesudas(greatest singer) is also not allowed to enter the temple. He has more faith than all these law makers.. prem
RE:laws of Guruvayoor temple
by Sriram on Jun 06, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
If yesudas has more faith in krishna why doesnt he undergo a formal name change to krishna das and the proper rituals to convert to a hindu and then enter the temple.This is a temple not some museum or a palace...I have seen a lot of europeans of the hare krsna group inside the temple..they ve converted to hinduism..
Does non-Hindus believe in the Gita, which you are quoting to justofy entry of Xtian vested interest (Muslims are never party to these devious tactics).
If Xtians are believing the Gita, then let them announce them as Hindu and undergo Shuddhi.
RE:laws of Guruvayoor temple
by MJ on Jun 06, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
Oh yeah? So while we are at it, we should allow animals inside the temple also. Because God made animals and obviously god loves them.
This is a private temple and just as non-muslims are not allowed in mecca (or in Jama masjid, tough it is managed by the govt) Hindus/priests have the right to make rules as long as they dont break any laws.
Why make a fuss? A temple is not a tourist spot - it is a sacred place. A non-Hindu will not treat the place as sacred because he does not believe in the Hindu God. Therefore, if he does not treat it as sacred, then he will not be allowed to enter the temple! Simple!
If he believes that there is some divinity in the temple, it means that he is believing in the Hindu God. Then he should first convert to Hinduism, then he will be allowed to enter as many temples as he wants.
What is the problem now? Why insist on entering a place of worship, if you dont want to worship?
RE:hinduism
by Bindu neelakandan on Jun 06, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
Use ur brains while giving ur say and dont blurt out things that come to ur mind. ur statements truly prove that ur konwledge is zero. So pls stop writing and think something worthy of ur self.
RE:hinduism
by MJ on Jun 06, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
Hinduism is not necessarily for people from higher castes but for people with higher IQ (intelligence) because it does not have a set of rules like Christianity or Islam but only great philosophies.
So sethu, yo uare right, Hinduism is definitely not for you.
RE:hinduism
by digambar vernekar on Jun 06, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
EVERY RELIGION HAS ITS OWN RITUALS,POLICIES EITHER FORMALLY DEFINED OR INFORMALLY DEFINED BUT FOLLOWED BY GENERATION. I APPRECIATE TANTRI FOR HIS FRANK SPEACH
RE:hinduism
by S_Khan on Jun 06, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
I would be interested to know out of curisity how Brahmins manage to make everyone dance?
Because atleast in college or work place I & fellow non Hindus dont face any special problems from them then why this bad vibes with you guys are their own religious & non beef eaters?
RE:RE:hinduism
by raja on Jun 06, 2007 11:23 AM Permalink
u were in city u should come out of city visit any village in a year and u can find the problem ,,sitting in room will not give solution --it is not brahmins -some obc people -some sc people--i mean who oppreses other people
RE:hinduism
by raja on Jun 06, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
christians are bigger teroorist what they have done to south america,asia and now iraq, dont wash christians...
RE:RE:RE:hinduism
by raja on Jun 06, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
why south america have to suffer(full of catholic christians) christian are criminals(some)
Long time back the underpriveleged were not allowed inside a temple. But social advancement has resulted in the entry for them. This a great social achievement.God has not expressed his fury on this as feared by the temple administrators and tantris. Definitely HE is not a politician.Guruvayurappan is Magnanimity.HE will not show any partiality to people. It is the people in HIS name who divide his devotees. We should raise above these feelings if we are the true Bhaktas of Guruvayurappan or for that matter any deity.
RE:Punyaham at Guruvayur temple
by venugopal reddy on Jun 06, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
but not allow spuedo seculars to make extint our belief & Religions First the Shudras were not allowed into the temple in olden days because they would not have bath for long time they were not neat & did not follow hygenic practices now a days no one in india a shurdas all most all of them are following good practices then there is no need to forbid them In olden day the society was divided on the professional basis hence we call brahmins/kshatriyas/farmers/blacksmiths/cobblers/carpenters/barbers/dhobis/fishermen/ etc these are not rligions they are professions my friend udersatnd the issue in a simple manner dont talk complexities & complicate the issue just respect the practices if u like otherwise follow your own religion
Religion is all about love and equality. This kind of attitude, which basically shows that my religion is best, and person with other belief or birth is so impure, that a purification process is required. This kind of attitude is not good for a great religion like Hinduism. By treating every one (irrespective of birth or faith) equal only Hinduism can give new path to this world, where most of the religions treat people from other faiths (non believer) as enemy. I being a great follower of Hinduism is really saddened by such attitude. Just think quietly, whether, such action has brought any pride to such a Sanathana Dharma. Also remember it is Dharma not religion. In fact Dharma does not have a corresponding term in English. Water has Dharma but no religion. Dharma of Hindu is Humanity, that%u2019s all the whole Indian religious scriptures taught over the ears. try to protect it. I would quote one word from Swami Vivekananda (who was not a Brahmin!!) . All human are potentially divine'. I think that%u2019s, what is Hinduism. If you treat any one whether Hindu, Christian, Muslim, with contempt, you are not doing justice to your great religion.
RE:RE:Religion is all about love and equality
by diba on Jun 06, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
Then wo defines Hinduism? You???? With no kowledge of the religion, just having a Sirname!! Have you read Vivekanada? Remember, Vivekananda, got highest honus at south not at your place.
RE:Let V Ravi and his son do what present Chief Justice of India did
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 11:00 AM Permalink
Give me scriptural justification for "Shuddhi ceremony". Which Chapter, verse no. of which scripture-Vedas, Gitas etc. mebntion this????
Very simple.All those Xtians and Muslims who wish to revert to their ancestral religions need to do is stop following Xtian/muslim rituals. That is all. What is this nonsense "Shuddhi"?????
RE:Let V Ravi and his son do what present Chief Justice of India did
by sethu on Jun 06, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
suddhi is cuttting his brain in to half...since it was developed by christians...
RE:Let V Ravi and his son do what present Chief Justice of India did
by venu sasankdhar on Jun 06, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
Hello Anand, Every govt rule in a govt dept is not defined in constitution. Simialrly every thing is not referenced to Vedas alone. Vedas is like constitution . There are agama sastras which guide and spell the procedures for conducting rituals and ceremonies in Temples. The sastras are voluminous and the Tantri of guruvayoor is one of the persons who had been taught about them. When your Doctor prescribes a medicine , do you every time ask him to show the Page no and Volume No of the Medicine book?
Now coming to suddhi- it is a puification ceremony. it is done on many occasions. When a devotee collapses in the prmises of teh temple shuddi is one. That does not mean that we are showing disrespect to the Dead person .
The interview of Tantri is matured and reasoned one. Let us allow the Tantri to run the rituals of the temple as long as he follows teh Sastras.
RE:Let V Ravi and his son do what present Chief Justice of India did
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
You r saying something about the CJI. Please quote authentic source.
RE:Let V Ravi and his son do what present Chief Justice of India did
by SAM KIM on Jun 06, 2007 11:07 AM Permalink
Hey anand, Agama system does not come in veda etc. It is system evolved by our anceistors. There couple of systems fallowed by different faiths like shaivites, vaishnavites etc.
One such system is "PANCHARATRA" Agama which is being practised in Tirupati.
RE:RE:Let V Ravi and his son do what present Chief Justice of India did
by Rick on Jun 06, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
this idolator, sinner seems to be a master of lie. no wonder he follows such a filthy religion which is based on speculations. great religion!!!!!!!! HUH
RE:Let V Ravi and his son do what present Chief Justice of India did
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 06, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Bhaskar Chattopadhyay understand that Shri. Vayalar Ravi belongs to a Hindu family and nobody doubts it. There remains a tail that his wife belongs from Xian. It would be better when Mr. Vayalar Ravi married her, to keep his faith in Hinduism they ought to have had Shuddhikalasham. One thing more there, Shri Yeshudas family was also from Hindu Nadar family and further they converted their religion to xian. Who are struggle/quarreling behind this matter have to understand the fact clearly.
RE:Let V Ravi and his son do what present Chief Justice of India did
by diba on Jun 06, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
You would have suggested Swami Vivekananda to do a suddhi, because, he crossed Kalapani! This kind of attitude, from some from Bengal, is really surprise me. Bengal is a place, for outsider like us, for progressive thinking, Shame on you
You have to follow the custom for example if you visit gulf you are not supposed to eat out when it is Ramadan. Like ways if you cant follow the custom of one place dont go there.
