It is unfortunate that people in he service of god in the hindu community tell imaculate lies .the chief priest says that the rulesof the temple were prescrivbed by Adhi sankara and defiled his name .what ever Adhisnkara had done in respect of religons is in writing and in slogas .nothg or what he prescribed is continued in oral tradition,Can the Tanthri produce evidence or some proof that Adhisanklara prescried the rules .ny grndfather says that Adhisankara told him that he did nt precribe anysuch rules and that he is aware that the soul in all beoings is god and god and no one has the authrity to consider that any person in qwhom god is preent as soul is er impure and his entryto the temple of /god is does not defile and the tmple of god .i shall give yu proof that lord Krishna himsel fhas saoid that he remains unsullied by anything : jua as all pervading space remains unsullied initds subtlety so the self in evry body ramains unsullied' verse 32 of the 13Th teachin of Bhagavad -gita . " I dwell deep in he heart of every one; memory , knowledge, and reasoning come from me: ... verse 15 of the 15Th teachig . "learned men see with an equal eye a scholarly and dignified prist ; a cow , an elephant , a dog ; and e3ven an outcase scavenger '..verse 18 of he 5Th teachingof Bhagavad -gita . is the nmboodri of he guruvayur temole the god of gods to over rule what Lord krishna hiumself has said in /bhagavad -gita? does krishna make any difenrce between people of
The grandeur of this temple is evident by the fact that the visiting devotees come in millions and keep revisiting.not only people from the south indian states but even people from other states visit guruvayoor.let the punyaham ritual be performed as per the purification ritual's ancient tradition.the h'ble minister is right in his way as,living in the 21st century we need to rethink about our rights and cannot allow things like not being let into a temple.if a christian lady has married into a hindu household she has been automatically become a hindu. in fact we should even allow westerners to come into out temples to allow them to see our traditions and culture. they have slowly evolved to true indian traditions and vegetarianism.they have accepted that properly followed indian culture is probably the best in the world.the namboodiri also speaks with knowledge and maturity.these views should be really communicated to this kind of a person ,maybe he might be instrumental in making radical changes .
I dont think any purification is required, and even if done so, it can be done in a quiet manner. It would be best if we do not allow non Hindus to the shrine as the allowing of non Hindus creates the problem. Not allowing Smt. Indira Gandhi was the best decision. Also it would be best if ministers who are responsible persons pray from outside or pray to the image of the deity at home if they are so devoted to the deity. It is the ministers sacred responsibility not to create public tensions and not to hurt religious sentiments.
i am a Christian with a brahmin backgroung . we were not forced christianity by any one and none of us ever regretted for that sofar.i dont understand why people (hinduvaadies) has nothing to say about the grand scale conversion from christianity to hinduism in europe and us??? i dont believe a few "sundarams or amminies" as (mr gopakumar said)is going to add to christianity as a "religion" at the same time every single soul is very precious to christ.. as it costed hiim his very life to save them of their ways and sins (that include mr. gopakumar.)that is one unique difference i see in christianity.many dont understand that one have to be very privilaged to become a christian.anyway if the Resp. Thantri felt that he had to do so i dont see anything wrong in it and i believe we should take that as a ritual
RE:punyaham..
by Jas Sand on Jun 12, 2007 10:02 PM Permalink
Nobody is worried about people converting on their own - if you want to be a Christian, then be one, no issues .. but forcing the religion thru muscle or money is the issue
RE:punyaham..
by bhatta R on Jun 13, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
dear kuruvilla: When you said in your write up Quote" if the Resp Thantri had to do so. I dont see anything wrong in it and I belive we should take it as a ritual" Unquote....you showed that your background is Brahman.Good...You also had stated that' one have to be previleged to become a Christian".. I felt that YOU DID HAVE TO MAKE SUCH STATEMENTS...to cater to the gallery in your current faith. Pl keep it up... One more thing....There is no grand scale conversion from Christianity to Hinduism in Europe and US now....as stated by you. It is only a reaction to the current ISKON phoebia and when these neo converts find that they are NOT ACCEPTED among HINDUS they feel dejected. You must appreciate that unlike other religions, including Christianity- YOU CAN BE HINDU ONLY BY BIRTH.........
This is a true incident happened at Guruvayur laste year.
A number of aged and orphaned devotees live in the vicinity of the Guruvayur temple. They eat the prasad of the Lord, sing bhajans all through the day and lie down at Melapathur Auditorium in front of the temple. Their life is totally immersed in the Lord. On August 8 2006, out of blue and like a Tsunami, Pastor C.L. Jacob of Emmanuel centre, Palayur, and a group of Christian ruffians came in two ambulances and started evicting 16 odd aged devotees and forcing them into the ambulances. The aged persons including women, who have been in the service of Lord Guruvayurappan for three to four decades ,resisted the move to leave the temple and appealed to the Lord for help. They knew that the evil design of Pastor Jacob was to convert the entire group to Christianity. Local people rushed to the scene, finally could save them from this evil priest. On seeing this the Christian ruffians backtracked. By then the local Sub-Inspector Premanand arrived. He ordered the Pastor and the group to go away and released the hapless devotees.
But the soul-harvesting drama had its causality. 70-year-old Sundaram died of suffocation and cardiac arrest due to the pushing and pulling by the Christian goondas. Also 65-year-old Ammini committed suicide due to the fear psycosis and threat of future conversion. She had %u2018Vaka Charthu%u2019 darshan of Krishna on 12th, listened to the %u2018Lalitha Sahsarnama%u2019 archana, had lunch at
RE:Conversion bid at Guruvayur
by Subrahmshu Bhattacharya on Jun 08, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
This is quoted from "The Organisr" a rabid RSS and VHP website. It does not have a semblance of truth and was not reported anywhere. I know the situation in Kerala. Any incident like this would have caused communal etension and nation wide coverage.
RE:Conversion bid at Guruvayur
by Anand Iyer on Jun 08, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
If this is true, then entry of non-hindus in temple should be strictly banned. Give us some newspaper report or source or website of this news.
RE:Conversion bid at Guruvayur
by abraham kuruvilla on Jun 12, 2007 06:41 AM Permalink
hi mr iyer just keen to know ....what difference dose it make??i can show you how to walk into any given temple with a fake "poonool"
RE:Some Facts
by Jas Sand on Jun 12, 2007 10:08 PM Permalink
Where does Islam come into picture dude? If you post hate messages unnecessarily, it would prompt hate messages from others too
RE:Some Facts
by ajman on Jun 07, 2007 09:38 PM Permalink
Dont You Have Any job other than writing Hated and Sledging. Go and Do some work for INdia And Say I am A Proud INDIA DOnt BE Mental Creature
God creates all sounds. Yet Abrahamic faith believers(Christians, Jews and Muslims) says that God spoke to Moses. How??? If he creates all sounds how one particular sound is attributed to him??? You should have told God made some sound which Moses heard!! If one can hear God one can see God too. Also God appeared as Jesus in human form then why cant he assume more forms?? (If he can assume one form)
Light, fire, humans and animals are all creations of God. So if God comes as light and fire he can assume human and animal forms too
Moreover Advaita or non -dualism as I explained before is present only in Hinduism.
Know all these before insulting the God concept of Hindu faith
Two points: Churches do treat non-christians differently. Non christians cannot receive communion. But they can attend services. But this also about taking a common sense approach to things. The head tantri is hiding behind the age old i-didnt-set-the-rules-all-i-can-do-is-strictly-follow-it excuse that fundamentalists use all over the world. This completely literal approach to religious doctrines and customs is no less that the various brands of fundamentalism followed with other relegions. God has also given us the ability to think and be rational. That element -- the human element -- the element that should have taken the sentiments of individuals -- is sadly missing.
RE:Is it discrimination
by on Jun 12, 2007 03:17 AM Permalink
"Churches do treat non-christians differently. Non christians cannot receive communion. But they can attend services. But this also about taking a common sense approach to things. " How, pray, is this the common-sense approach? This is merely the approach you prefer. Using words like common-sense is merely a way of privileging your opinion above others.
"The head tantri is hiding behind the age old i-didnt-set-the-rules-all-i-can-do-is-strictly-follow-it excuse that fundamentalists use all over the world." More nonsense. All this palaver is merely your opinion. In fact, I found the tantri's explanation more elegant and his understanding of right and wrong far more clear-cut than yours.
