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Islam doesn't teach terrorisom
by ADAM on Jul 29, 2007 01:44 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Islam prohibits terrorism. Islam prohibits a Muslim from attacking innocent civilians. (Al-Islam)

"Islam does not support terrorism under any circumstances. Terrorism goes against every principle in Islam. If a Muslim engages in terrorism, he is not following Islam. He may be wrongly using the name of Islam for political or financial gain." (USA Today)

"Muslims throughout their history never allowed the killing of civilians, even in the midst of wars such as the Crusades. There is no respected Islamic scholar here in Saudi Arabia or anywhere else in the Muslim world who would support such a fatwa." (The Guardian - Khashoggi)

Hamza Yusuf, an Islamic scholar, has made several comments about Islam and terrorism. "The Prophet Muhammad said, 'Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people....'"

"Suicide is haram in Islam. It's prohibited, like a mortal sin. And murder is haram. And to kill civilians is murder."

"The Prophet also said that there are people who kill in the name of Islam and go to hell. And when he was asked why, he said, 'Because they weren't fighting truly for the sake of God.'

Muslims Against Terrorism requests media not use phrases such as "Islamic Fundamentalists" or "Muslim Terrorists" regarding terrorist attacks "Because such things do not exist. Islam is the religion of peace, love and mutual respect. Islam is the religion of moderation. Islam is the religion of human value and dignity."


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RE:Islam doesn't teach terrorisom
by Old Monk on Jul 29, 2007 02:13 PM  Permalink
Mr Adam,you are just showing only the sweeter side of Islam,while it is true Quran has some beautiful verses and I personaly found about 125 verses that call for tolerence and patience.

One such example of tolerent verse 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion,however this has been abrogated or cancelled in later verse 9:5 which calls for intolerece "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them and beleaguer them,and lie in wait for them in every atratagem(of war)... and verse 5:33 "For those who do not submit to Allah their punishment is ...execution or crucifiction or the cutting off of hands and feet,from opposite sides,or exile from the land"

Muslim apologists give various excuses,they say the reading is out of context,but isnt Quran supposed to be the word of Allah and the true follower obeys it by letter and spirit.

Muslims are not to be blamed,but the doctrine indeed does preach hatred,violence and intolerence.

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RE:Islam doesn't teach terrorisom
by ADAM on Jul 29, 2007 02:33 PM  Permalink
in some way u r right but the problem how long will it take for the ppl like me to prove ourself as true indian

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RE:Islam doesn't teach terrorisom
by Major Sassy on Jul 29, 2007 02:37 PM  Permalink
Just follow the truth and always call for equality amongst all Indians. Any Indian who does not do that his guilty irrespective of religion.

Call for all Indians are same and equal. You will find that the hostility will melt away at once.

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RE:RE:Islam doesn't teach terrorisom
by on Jul 29, 2007 02:36 PM  Permalink
No need to prove anything to anybody other than not creating situation for them to think like that.

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RE:Islam doesn't teach terrorisom
by sunaabh sarkar on Jul 29, 2007 02:24 PM  Permalink
Yes Mr. Old Monk, you are right in what you have just written... I've a few Mohammedan friends true musalmaans reading the namaz five times a day yet they disapprove these doctrines.

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RE:RE:Islam doesn't teach terrorisom
by mohyou younus on Jul 29, 2007 02:40 PM  Permalink
mr old monk islam does not preach hatred but in war it say not to be coward.

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To rationalist and alike
by sledgergal on Jul 29, 2007 12:53 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

what do u think u r writing? u r talking as if moslims are not at all terrorists....come on man....plz be realistic....
Aus govt released him only bcoz there is no evidence but not that he is innocent. If that is the case they wud have reinstated his work permit. So he is not yet free. They will observe his actions carefully.

Also what about kaleef, isnt he indian moslim...Come on speak up.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:59 PM  Permalink
Don't spoil our Indian muslims by teaching religious intolerance. They share the same god, but their mind set is different than you.

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RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by sledgergal on Jul 29, 2007 01:04 PM  Permalink
That is my question,....why is their mindset different. Why do they support pakistan while they are living in india....what is the need for a doctor in bangalore to involve himself in jihad....if an educated person like kafeel can make a mockery of our nation by indulging in jihad - think abt lots of illeterate moslims....god save india from these fanatics.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:05 PM  Permalink
You are talking about innocent as guilty.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:11 PM  Permalink
Most of the muslims literate and illiterate may not be thinking of Jihad. But people like you are forcing them to think like that. You people are driving them to edge. For the acts of few hundreds misquided people you are banging your voice in the ears of millions that they are terrorists.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:21 PM  Permalink
It is your & my opinion here. forgot what others think.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by RATIONALIST on Jul 29, 2007 01:01 PM  Permalink

Vote-bank politics and religious bigotry of the Extremist Hindutva brigade has spread the tentacles of fear, suspicion and deep anger in India.

If some misguided elements choose to vent their anger at real or perceived injustice through unjustified and unacceptable violence, must all Indian Muslims be held accountable?

Muslims of India do not crucify Hinduism or Hindus for terrorizing and killing thousands of Muslims for six months in Gujarat with the connivance the state CM Narendra Modi.



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RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by sledgergal on Jul 29, 2007 01:08 PM  Permalink
Mind ur language rationalist.

First of all what is extremist hindutva....that is a term coined to oppose islam fanatacism...remember that.

Regd gujarat not thousands only thousand people died and out of them 400 are hindus and the gujarat incident has triggered only aftr the moslim fanatics have crucified hindus by burning them alive in the railway compartments....dont forget the past....

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by RATIONALIST on Jul 29, 2007 01:20 PM  Permalink

@ sledger gul

You also mind your language ...

Dont again label the complete Muslim community as terrorist? got it.



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RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:23 PM  Permalink
Don't label the Indian muslim community ( that is my limit) as terrorist.

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RE:RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by Sarfaraz Nawaz on Jul 29, 2007 02:41 PM  Permalink
oK gOOD YOU REMAIN IN THE PAST , GOOD CONTINUE DOING THAT.yOU SEEM TO BE A SET OF LIZARDS WHO ALWAYS WANT TO BE IN THE PIT BEHIND A PUBLIC TOILET, DONT WANT TO BECOME UMANS AND UNDERSTAND THE LOGICAL PART.

I think You are the SAD kind of personalities who must be only Watching the Negeative side always .

Sorry man You may need to go and definitely get a Life.

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RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:18 PM  Permalink
You called planned genocide as incidents.

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RE:RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:22 PM  Permalink
Genocide is going on in your country, not here. We have a clean secular govt.

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RE:RE:RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:25 PM  Permalink
Secular govt just for name sake. Andar kee baat kuch aur hai. Narsimha Rao ke to pol ab khul rahen. Read the reports of Ex intelligent Chief. Paap jyada din chupta nahi hai...ek din sab bahar aa jaata hai

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:22 PM  Permalink
Justice will be to hold the hands of those who are culprits. But how can you justify the facts that the real culprits got scot free while thousands of innocent were butchered. All these just in the name of hatred against one community and for some political gain.


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RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:25 PM  Permalink
Yes. That was happening in your country. In the past butched like thousands, now getting the pains. We got a secular govt to take care of major problems to minorities.

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RE:RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:33 PM  Permalink
Didnt sleep bolne mein kya jaata hai. Last night I had good sleep.. but i can say I didnt sleep. PM ke bedroom mein CCTV lagana hoga to find whether had a good sleep or not.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:29 PM  Permalink
Yeah. Name sake from your view, but didn't sleep, do you know when fellow Indian was wrongly arrested. Do you know that?
Will your country govt. will give protection like that to the minority. You govt. think, good atleast one less. But we didn't like that.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:38 PM  Permalink
One more time sleep cant do that bro..neend nahi aayegee

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RE:RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:35 PM  Permalink
That said you didn't know anything. OK go one more time sleep. Atleast, you can read the message chain about what sleep I have talked about.

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RE:RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:26 PM  Permalink
Secular govt just for name sake. Andar kee baat kuch aur hai. Narsimha Rao ke to pol ab khul rahen. Read the reports of Ex intelligent Chief. Paap jyada din chupta nahi hai...ek din sab bahar aa jaata hai

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by RATIONALIST on Jul 29, 2007 01:30 PM  Permalink

You also do not forget the past...who first started the religious fanaticism & extremist...

The Hindu Extremist and Fanatics demolished the Babri Masjid ... and showed the millions of people the path of extremism and terrorism.


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RE:To rationalist and alike
by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on Jul 29, 2007 01:38 PM  Permalink
They demolished some old unused building for which you killed thousands. You guys always "FIND" reasons for your terrorist activities and expect Hindus to accept. Good that Gujjus gave back something though not satisfacorily IMHO

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RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:43 PM  Permalink
Good that you accepted the fact. So if all muslims are terrorists and hindus to retaliate them will become terrorists. The muslims if target innocents then hindus also will target innocents for their revenge. Very gud congrat then the whole country has become terrorist.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:34 PM  Permalink
I don't have the openess to talk like you. Your question itself is try to make me to bluff. I am not trying to talk for anybody favor. Just a clue, first means from when?

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:03 PM  Permalink
My message is to other country people. Don't bother about inner problems. Even Sikh has two groups fighting each other. No intervention from outside.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by JOTISH NAIR on Jul 29, 2007 01:57 PM  Permalink
wevery altrenative day we see muslim fanatics under the banner of muslim league,NDF and ma-adani's(the dreaded terrorist who's in coimbatore jail for series of bomb blasts) PDP kill hindu men in malappuram in KERALA. PAKISTANIS WERE CAUGHT FROM KOZHIKODE. EVERY ALTERNATIVE DAY LOCAL MADE BOMBS DETONATE IN STRRETS OF NOTH KERALA. KERALA IS STILL FACING THE THREAT OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM POST MA-ADANI.
I dont believe indian muslims are innocent

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RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by Sarfaraz Nawaz on Jul 29, 2007 02:36 PM  Permalink
Continue beleiveing this , who cares for your beleives anyways .

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by Sarfaraz Nawaz on Jul 29, 2007 02:33 PM  Permalink
You seem to be a Bull , who only knows to blame blame and only blame. Cmon you speak up for yourself, When the International Investiatins Agencies from UK,US and Australia could not find any evidence what the hell do you expect. You seem to be one of those people who fail to understand communal harmony. I dont think people like you have the right to jude other communities based on your immatured and abusive attitude. SO just shut your self up.

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RE:RE:To rationalist and alike
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 12:58 PM  Permalink
first get the name correct its kafeel and not kaleef. Second if you have evidence then pls go ahead and prosecute him. But pray that don;t you ever in life be a victim of circumstances.

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RE:To rationalist and alike
by sledgergal on Jul 29, 2007 01:00 PM  Permalink
Indian hindus are already the victims....and that is why we are retaliating. By the by thx for correcting the name.

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Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by RATIONALIST on Jul 29, 2007 12:32 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies


India's media, Fanatic and Extremist Hindus leaders owe an apology to Haneef and Muslims for their "reckless" campaign against Haneef as an individual and Muslim community in general?

Stupid Advani took strong exception to the prime minister's statement "that he could not sleep after listening to the grieving mother of the Indian doctor arrested as an alleged terrorist."

Taking his cue from Advani, a Hindu Extremist journalist called for putting in place extra-constitutional measures to track hidden terrorists (read Muslims) in India before it was too late. The worst was to follow. A host of television news networks formulated a calculated plan with an eye on Television Rating Points (TRP) to have a set of panelists insist that Indian Muslims were now well on their way to becoming terrorists. Imagine 200 million terrorists! Surely there is a better way to project India and its diversity.

Sensationalism pervades Indian television channels in the wake of criminal acts (read terrorism) with the anchors giving a communal spin that does not exist. Perpetrators of criminal acts are criminals whether Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Sikhs or any religious group. Why lay the sins of a few upon the doorstep of the entire community?


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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:39 PM  Permalink
Why you bother when ruling party is with you & takes care of you. Tried hard & didn't sleep as said by Advani & got justice. Why bother for all these extras happening around here & there.

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 12:40 PM  Permalink
To imagine 200 million terrorists. Good news for the radicals.. It will need a great deal of efforts to plan genocide to such a level...well one would have already started dreaming for prime minister post.

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:44 PM  Permalink
what picking piece of shit & talking about that like a good food. Change your perspective as I said earlier.

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 12:47 PM  Permalink
In perspective shit is a shit..its your problem if you are looking it as a good food.

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:49 PM  Permalink
Don't try to attend court for some one else here. Go to your country & have a good sleep.

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 12:53 PM  Permalink
Truth is always bitter and I know it very hard for you to swallow.

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RE:RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:56 PM  Permalink
What truth did you tell here? You came here to speak for why I know very well after knowing your word "Amma".

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 12:51 PM  Permalink
You talking of apology these people will not even let him leave in peace. If given free hand they will torture him to death..till he confess that he is a terrorists. Major Sassy must already made his list of charges ready.

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:54 PM  Permalink
So, do you think it is un-democratic country. Even Afzal is still not getting hanged, do you know that?

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RE:RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:07 PM  Permalink
To target an ordinary person and get him killed in encounter is so easy for you people. So whats stopping you from hanging one Afzal. Please go ahead.

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RE:RE:RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:09 PM  Permalink
Innocents are killed not in my country, it is in your country.

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:37 PM  Permalink
Are you talking to yourselves?

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:15 PM  Permalink
Well it is upto you to turn your blind eyes of them.

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:22 PM  Permalink
Justice will be to hold the hands of those who are culprits. But how can you justify the facts that the real culprits got scot free while thousands of innocent were butchered. All these just in the name of hatred against one community and for some political gain.

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:17 PM  Permalink
All violence started in your country because of actions of your people, can you hide that?

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RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 01:04 PM  Permalink
To kill a small child and rape a women who are muslim in gujrat is so easy for you people. I failed to understand then why is it so difficult for you people to hang one Afzal.

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RE:RE:Indians owe Apology to Haneef and Muslim Community?
by on Jul 29, 2007 01:08 PM  Permalink
To whom you are talking?

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Foolish Indians
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 12:16 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Indians are making biggest fools of themselves just worrying about so much of a person who is temporary in limelight. Instead there might be some other real terrorist out there planting the bomb under their ass..

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RE:Foolish Indians
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:27 PM  Permalink
In your ideology terrorism is a limelight?

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RE:Foolish Indians
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 12:35 PM  Permalink
Then why you stupid peoples are behaving as if Hanif is the one and only terrorist left in the world.

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RE:Foolish Indians
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:41 PM  Permalink
Oh. your perception & taken into brain was like that, because you born in that jungle. sorry about that. try to read in different perspective.

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RE:Foolish Indians
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 12:42 PM  Permalink
And what is that perscpective?

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RE:Foolish Indians
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:47 PM  Permalink
Nut!

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VISA........
by JOTISH NAIR on Jul 29, 2007 11:54 AM  Permalink  | Hide replies

PLS GIVE KAFEEL AND SAFEEL OR WHATEVER A PERMANENT VISA . SO THAT THEY CAN PLAY WITH FIRE, CAR OR WHATEVER.

KUDOS TO ALL WHO MADE IT POSSIBLE TO GET HANEEF THE VISA...AND IN TURN THE LICENSE TO KILL.

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RE:VISA........
by RATIONALIST on Jul 29, 2007 12:29 PM  Permalink
@ Nair

ha ha ha!

Jalne walay tera mooh kala,




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RE:VISA........
by JOTISH NAIR on Jul 29, 2007 02:02 PM  Permalink
CHORA CHICHORA WHY DO ULAMENT FOR KAFEEL?
THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE...MUSLIM BRETHREN? HEINA?
WHETHER A PERSON TERRORIST, BIKHARI, PROSTITUTE OR A ROBBER IT DOESN'T MATTER...IT MATTERS MOST IS WHETHER THE PERSON IS MUSLIM.

IF THIS LOVE WAS SHOWN TO THE MAN KIND...THE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT!

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RE:VISA........
by Sanjeev Shrivastava on Jul 29, 2007 02:50 PM  Permalink
I agree Jyotish. People will fire on you because they are biased to sone opinion. You keep you moral high and keep fighting. You see many people comming with you.
keep it up.

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Be To the point
by Ravinder Singh on Jul 29, 2007 11:47 AM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Many messages are being desplayed which are not related to Dr.Haneef but to the communities. We should refrain from creating hatered among various communities and keep our messages related to Dr.Haneef. i will go to the extent that consider Dr.Haneef a human being above the religion and provide your comments. We should take this oppertunity provided by the Rediffmail to creat awareness among masses regarding the dictatorial attitutde of politicians in developed countries. What price fimmigation Ministry of Auastralia should pay to Dr.Haneef. Yes when ever there are doubts governments should follow and investigate but what right Immigration authorities have to cancell the visa of Dr.Haneef before a judgment is pronounced by the court against Dr.Hannef. In fact it is other way round. Court has cleared Dr.Haneef and immigaration authorities has taken the law in their hand to extend the custody of Dr.Haneef. Austrlian Government should and must pay at least 50 million US$ to Dr.Hannef. I request the comments from the readers on this claim of 50 million US$

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RE:Be To the point
by on Jul 29, 2007 11:50 AM  Permalink
Yeah. we can try to give some compensation for his future & name loss. BTW, read the name & get lost from here fast. People are here to take care of that. There is no place for you here to talk about US, Auss or Saudi arabia

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Dr.Haneef
by Ravinder Singh on Jul 29, 2007 11:33 AM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Now people should come foraward to suggest next step for Dr.Haneef. How to reach a lesson to so called developed country Australia. Why US is becoming the custodian of democracy.Now when it is proved beyond doubt that there were no wepons of mass destruction what punishment should be given to US for attacking Iraq. US is creating more terrorists in this way.

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RE:Dr.Haneef
by on Jul 29, 2007 11:48 AM  Permalink
cyne or pki, read the name & get rid of these place fast.

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RE:Dr.Haneef
by on Jul 29, 2007 11:36 AM  Permalink
So, you try to give punish countries. List country names form ABCDE... US will come last I hope. It is easy to tell words for democratic.
Haneef is innocent, I agree. But don't expect anything beyond that.

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RE:Dr.Haneef
by Ayappan on Jul 29, 2007 11:43 AM  Permalink
Haneef might got rid of Australian police,
by acting like inncoent

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RE:Dr.Haneef
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 11:50 AM  Permalink
You foolish Chinnaswamy..what you expected him to act terrorist in front of Australian police. I think if you were in his place you would not have acted innocent.

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RE:RE:Dr.Haneef
by JOTISH NAIR on Jul 29, 2007 02:19 PM  Permalink
you foolish pakistani do uthink this is pakistani unenergetic police and army

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RE:Dr.Haneef
by Kunal Garewal on Jul 29, 2007 11:55 AM  Permalink
Like Amma Jayalalitha acting innocent and getting rid of Madras police

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RE:Dr.Haneef
by JOTISH NAIR on Jul 29, 2007 02:15 PM  Permalink
why didn't u leave india in 1947 ,..a seperate animal farm was greated across the border ..where it was use all ur animal instincts chichora or whatever..he's not only a religious bigot but also a racist!

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RE:RE:Dr.Haneef
by JOTISH NAIR on Jul 29, 2007 02:17 PM  Permalink
madrasis are brilliant..dr.cv raman was frm madras who got the nobel prize for physics first in the entire subcontinent...can u name a north indian who has won a nobel prize. or any muslim moron ?

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RE:Dr.Haneef
by shanmugam singaram on Jul 29, 2007 12:40 PM  Permalink
unwarrented comment. Give some respect for people of differnt state. mind your tongue Mr.Chora Chichora whoever you are.

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Just 3 small paragraph message, how many pakis come to write messages?
by on Jul 29, 2007 11:25 AM  Permalink 

Just 3 small paragraph message, how many pakis come to write messages? All because of one word wife. Those guys desperate for virgins before, now come down to get the names of another people's wifes too. After reading the name, he put some stupid comments. Almighty give good habits to these pOkistani sons.

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