This is a very common and proven behaviour of people who are brutatally traumatized - they start identifying themselves with the aggressors.
Here are the Facts based on well regarded research:
1. Maurading Arab barbarians pillaged indian (and paki) villages.
2. The Arab muslims raped and kidnapped the women in those villages they conquered.
3. Arab muslims killed and enslaved men and children in the vanquished villages - they were terrorists even then!
3. The current crop of mulims in India and Pakistan are either children of these raped women or people enslaved by the muslim terrorists.
4. The Indians who escaped the Arab barbarins or were able to beat back the Arabs barbarians remained Hindus, Sikhs, Buddists, etc.
Guess, who support these bl**dy Arabs the most now? The progeny of those who were mercilessly raped, kidnapped and enslaved!
This is classic Stockholm Syndrome. I challenge those psuedo-intellectuals who are trying to explain away the reasons behind continued brutality by current generation muslims to counter this research by the South Asia History society.
RE:Indian & Pakistani muslims exhibit classic stockholm syndrome
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jul 11, 2008 01:32 AM Permalink
Above messages is totally false. Those who are writting false statements of Islam are from radical parties. If you really want to know what Islam teaches then go and buy One Genuine Quran and read it. You'll know then only what exactly Islam says and remember plz buy genuine Quran and beware of getting trapped on rediff.
Re: RE:Indian & Pakistani muslims exhibit classic stockholm s
by Sengvan on Feb 11, 2010 10:40 PM Permalink
Then, Why the terrorists are not following Quran? If you deny it, then Muslims supports terrorists?
Gladiator, Then what about this by Errampalle Jawahardatham on May 19, 2007 06:07 PM | Hide replies
ARGUEMENT: IF ISLAM WAS SPREAD BY FORCE, INDIA WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUSLIM COUNTRY.
ANSWER: THIS ARGUMENT TRIES TO MISLEAD AND CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT ISLAM WAS SPREAD BY PEACE.
THE FACT: 1. WHEN BABUR CAME TO INDIA, HE WAS BUSY ESTABLISHING HIS EMPIRE. SO HIS BUSY OCCUPATION DID NOT GIVE HIM TIME OR SCOPE TO CONVERT PEOPLE. BUT RECORDED THAT HE KILLED THOUSANDS OF KAFIRS DURING HIS CAMPAINGS IN INDIA. 2. HUMAYUN WAS UNLUCKY AND LOST HIS THROWN AND LIFE, AND THERE WAS NO SCOPE FOR COVERSIONS. 3. AKBAR WAS A GENEROUS SECULAR KING [A SEMI-KAFIR AS PER ISLAM]. HE FELT THERE SHOULD BE FREEDOM OF FAITH. 4. JAHANGIR'S MOTHER WAS A PRACTICING HINDU WOMAN. SO JAHANGIR WAS NOT INTERESTED IN CONVERSIONS. 5. SHAHJAHAN WAS A WOMANISER AND LEAD A LUXURIOUS LIFE. MOST OF HIS TIME WAS SPENT IN DRINKING, LICKING AND BUILDING MONUMENTS. SO NO INTEREST IN CONVERSIONS. 5. AURANGZEB, WHO WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST ISLAMIC CRIMINALS, CONVERTED MILLIONS BY FORCE AND HIS EMPIRE THOUGH EXPANDING WAS DISINTEGRATING RAPIDLY.
OVERALL MOGULS COULD NOT CONVERT ALL INDIANS NOT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT BELEIVE IN FORCE, BUT THEY FEARED THAT MORE AND MORE RANAs AND SHIVAJIs WILL BE BORN. PEOPLE WERE NOT INTERESTED.
BUT NAWAB OF BENGAL AND NIZAM OF HYDERABD CONVERTED MANY BY INDIRECT FORCE: THEIR COMMUNITY PEOPLE ENJOYED SPECIAL RIGHTS. LANDS, AND HIGH JOBS WERE GIVEN TO MUSLIMS. IN DISPUT
RE:INDIAN, PAKISTANI MUSLIMS....PROGENY OF MONGOLIAN INVADERS .....LATER ON MIXED INTO HINDU SUBJECTS .....TODAY's MUSLIMS............SHOULD KNOW THAT MONGOLIANS DOMINATED THE SCENE> IN MOST OF ASIA.
by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 06, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
Contd.,
BUT NAWAB OF BENGAL AND NIZAM OF HYDERABD CONVERTED MANY BY INDIRECT FORCE: THEIR COMMUNITY PEOPLE ENJOYED SPECIAL RIGHTS. LANDS, AND HIGH JOBS WERE GIVEN TO MUSLIMS. IN DISPUTES AND CLASHES LAW FAVORED MUSLIMS. IF A MUSLIM KILLED A NON-MUSLIM IT WAS TREATED AS LEGITIMATE. WHEREAS IF IT HAPPENED THE OTHER WAY ROUND SEVERE PUNISHMENTS WERE GIVEN.
IT WAS ONLY THE BRITISH, FOR THE FIRST TIME, GAVE INDIANS SOME KIND OF LAW, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD A COLONIAL SLANT, THAT PROTECTED PEOPLE IRRESPETIVE OF RELIGION.
IT WAS THE BRITISH WHO NEUTRALISED ISLAMIC DOMINATION IN INDIA. EVEN THOUGH BRITISH RULE DID NOT GIVE RIGHTS COMPARED TO THEIR OWN CITIZENS, BRITISH LAW WAS 1000 TIMES BETTER THAN THE EARLIER BARBARIC LAWS OF ISLAMIC RULERS.
RE:INDIAN, PAKISTANI MUSLIMS....PROGENY OF MONGOLIAN INVADERS .....LATER ON MIXED INTO HINDU SUBJECTS .....TODAY's MUSLIMS............SHOULD KNOW THAT MONGOLIANS DOMINATED THE SCENE> IN MOST OF ASIA.
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jul 11, 2008 01:33 AM Permalink
Above messages is totally false. Those who are writting false statements of Islam are from radical parties. If you really want to know what Islam teaches then go and buy One Genuine Quran and read it. You'll know then only what exactly Islam says and remember plz buy genuine Quran and beware of getting trapped on rediff.
RE:INDIAN, PAKISTANI MUSLIMS....PROGENY OF MONGOLIAN INVADERS .....LATER ON MIXED INTO HINDU SUBJECTS .....TODAY's MUSLIMS............SHOULD KNOW THAT MONGOLIANS DOMINATED THE SCENE> IN MOST OF ASIA.
by Indian Analyst on Aug 30, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
You cannot kill crores of people. Just like today hindus or muslims cannot kill each other. That's why jizia and other laws are implemented to intimidate common people to convert.
Popular icons like Shahrukh, Salman and Mammooty should act in free advertisements to spread the message to Muslim youth to desist from falling prey to terrorist recruitment. Simultaneously all accused in the Mumbai riots and other incidents where Muslims were victims, must be immediately prosecuted. This will go a long way towards alleviating the situation.
RE:Shahrukh Khan's help required
by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 06, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
They will definitely be NON COMMITTAL.....They can not displease their fans specially Muslims.
We know the muslim brethren in India would like to truly believe that there was no forcible conversion of hindus in India. Let us not kid ourselves. Enough research on this subject has been done in the past. There is enough history to prove this.
RE:Forcible conversion of Hindus to Islam in India
by ssddssdd on Aug 01, 2007 02:14 AM Permalink
correct! Maybe the muslims in India/Pak/Bangladesh want to believe they are direct descendents of Arabs.
EXTREMELY SAD STATE....BLOOD AND BELIEF ARE BIOLOGICALLY DIFFERENT.
IGNORANT N INNOCENT ARE MADE TO BELIEVE N FIGHT JIHADS WHICH HAVE TO BE FOUGHT BY PALESTINEAN ARABS,TRIBES AND ISRAELITES....PROGENY OF ABRAHAM/IBRAHEEM !!!
RE:Forcible conversion of Hindus to Islam in India
by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 06, 2007 02:23 PM Permalink
They are descendants of Mongoloid Sindh and Indian Hindus and again the MONGOL-SINDH mixture mixing with Indian Pure HINDUS......known even today as Kaayasths and Indian Muslims....Observe their culture....mixture of Mongolian/Moghal and Hindu customs.
RE:why islam could not convert whole india into islamic country during mughal rule ?
by Gladiator on Jul 31, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
Zamana Good Story actually,
Let us Investigate whether Islam used Force to Convert or Not... We all know that the Present State of Gujrat is highly infested by Muslim Invaders from Ghori to Ghazni.. The present day Muslim Population of Gujrat is 10 % Take the case of Tamilnadu, it had very less impact from Muslim Invaders. The present day Muslim POpulation in TN is 6 %. If your assumption of Muslims using Force for conversion is true Means, the present day Muslim Pop of Gujrat should be atleast 25 % but that is not the case... Now you have One Option 1) You will say that all the Gujrati Muslims Migrated to Pakistan. Everbody knows that the Muslims in India relocated to Pakistan in Few Numbers... So the story of Muslim Invaders raping Hindus is a good story.. Muslims ruled India for 1000 years, do you mean to say that all Your Grand Mothers were Hiding in Bushes for 1000 Years and you retained Hinduism ??? All these is Bull shit... People are attracted towards Islam because of the Caste System of Hinduism and Sufism, the Mystic way of understanding the Almighty God.. All these stories about Muslims using Force is Bull shit..
RE:RE:why islam could not convert whole india into islamic country during mughal rule ?
by arun vyas on Aug 31, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
Gladiator Facts can not be analysed by mere logics, it will end up in an unending debate. Every educated muslim must visit a site by Ali Sina www.faithfreedom.org to understand his religion and prophet as well.
RE:why islam could not convert whole india into islamic country during mughal rule ?
by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 01, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
TRUTH IS TRUTH..... CLOUDS CAN NOT COVER THE SKY !....ALWAYS !
HUMANITY IS ABOVE ALL> NO JUSTIFICATIONS CAN UNDO INVASIONS,BATTLES, RAPE, LOOTMAR,CONVERSION... EVEN SHIT SCARED PEOPLE WILL JOLLY WELL CONVERT. EVEN TODAY THE SAME CAN REPEAT. BEWARE HUMANITY !!!
RE:why islam could not convert whole india into islamic country during mughal rule ?
by ems nnn on Jul 31, 2007 05:57 PM Permalink
Muslims ruled India from 1192 AD to 1750's. ie less than 600 years. Hindus converted to Islam bcoz of Jezia a poll tax only on non Muslims(hindus) imposed by Musalmaan Kings. Tamil Nadu was ruled by Muslims from 1650 to 1800. Gujarat from 1300-1740.Also many Gujrathi Muslims went Pakistan in 1947. Many Tamil muslims are migrants from north india.
RE:why islam could not convert whole india into islamic country during mughal rule ?
by JGN on Jul 31, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
Policy of Muslim rulers in India - The general policy of most of the rulers during the 700 years of Muslim occupation of India was to systematically replace the fabric of Hindu society and culture with a Muslim culture. They tried to destroy Indian religions language, places of knowledge (universities e.g Nalanda were totally destroyed by Muslims). They destroyed and desecrated places of thousands of temples including Somnath, Mathura, Benaras, Ayodhaya, Kannauj, Thaneswar and in other places. There was wholesale slaughter of the monks and priests and innocent Hindus with the aim to wipe out the intellectual bedrock of the people they overran.
The Muslims could not subjugate India with ease and were never able to rule it entirely. There was a valiant and ceaseless struggle for independence by Hindus to deliver India from Muslim tyranny. The Rajputs, Jats, Marathas and Sikhs led this struggle in North India. In the South this struggle was embodied in the Vijayanagar Empire. This struggle culminated when the Marathas ended the Muslim domination of India.
RE:why islam could not convert whole india into islamic country during mughal rule ?
by JGN on Jul 31, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
Dear Gladiator, your spritited defence of Muslim rulers is appreciable, but any amount of waxing eloquent will not erase the harsh realities of history.
I have first hand information about the invading army of Tippu Sultan forcibly converting hindus in British Malabar from Kasaragod to Malappuram in Kerala(along the present NH-17).
Almost 40% of Indians were converted to Islam by the Moguls and other Muslim rulers if we consider the population of Pakistan and Bangladesh also.
Another reason is that, once having established their Rule, most of the Muslim rulers indulged in luxurious of all sorts including filling up their harms with beautiful women, building large palaces, etc and seldem bothered about converting the natives into their religion.
However there is no need to blame the present day Muslims for the actrocities committed by them nor the present day muslims have to defend the same. We cannot reverse the clock!
By the way, have you read The Koran in a language you understand fully? I have read the English translation of The Koran and found to be conceived by The Prophet for meeting his personal ambitions and for motivating his followers (with all those rewards awaiting in heaven or punishments in hell). He had invented verses to suit the circumstances. The Koran contains a large number of contradictory and inconsistant verses.
RE:why islam could not convert whole india into islamic country during mughal rule ?
by ssddssdd on Jul 31, 2007 11:28 PM Permalink
funny, no muslim rulers converted by force. So, all muslims in India/Pak/Bangladesh came from where? Saudi ??? Crimes of muslim invaders can never be forgotten, nor forgiven. It is like forgetting Partition or Jalianwalla. The point is, it is still continuing, although now these fanatics are defeated by science and progress of the rest of the world. Who wants to know what muslims eat/drink/donate to charity. What world wants to know is can any muslim condemn terrorism as is happening in this world today? Can he/she take responsibility and speak out that this is wrong, against his/her religion? I seriously doubt. Keep justifying terrorism based on perceived grudges, but actions speak louder than words.
RE:ISLAM -THE HIDDEN TRUTH
by ashish on Jul 31, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
wat ever direction u guys face and why is ur religion so full of killing ,u guys havin a contest or wat?
RE:ISLAM -THE HIDDEN TRUTH
by ems nnn on Jul 31, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
Excellent Finding. Firstly Arabs did'nt rule spain for 800 years. They ruled all of Iberia for about 350 yrs. Only Granada region they ruled for about 800 yrs.
Now the coptic Xtians are not Arabs . They are descendants of pre-islamic Egyptian Christians. They somehow survived Arab rule. Thats the truth. India; muslims ruled only for 600 years.
RE:RE:ISLAM -THE HIDDEN TRUTH
by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 06, 2007 10:03 PM Permalink
In such a case the great father of Palestinean Arabs Ibraheem father of Ishmaeel, was not worshipping a true God? Then his progeny will be born Kaafirs..... and whose God is genuine? Palestineans or the desert followers of Prophet Mohammad ?
This Sheela Bhatt is one sick lady, I have been observing her articles for so long now, she is always looking for an opportunity to spew ANTI-INDIA messages..... lady go and take interview of those killed, you Anti-National Element.
RE:Wish I could report Abuse on this Article !!
by ashish on Jul 31, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink | Hide message
hey pritish ,wat u talkin bout others ,look at ur self talkin bout upanshads but livin america hahah loser
muslims shud introspect why they take to violence, why should others introspect ? violence by criminal muslims will be countered by violence in today's world, so it is for them to decide aht they want. They are the ones who are looking for pretext to shout slogans, stone pelting during Hindu processions, planting bombs to kill innocents, against polio drops (big joke), so many many more. Other communities do not have time or inclination to understand their violent behavior, but it will be retaliated for sure by law of land.
RE:Muslims should introspect
by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 06, 2007 01:42 AM Permalink
What about Arab islamic media? They balance imbalances if any.
Misinformation and misquoting can always be cleared by rational arguments...but not abusive language...
All muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslims....
All sexual exploitatyions are equally reported ....page lay out may differ but the truth is brought out unhesitatingly, Mullahs, Priests , Pujaris, swamys, fake Godmen ...no one is spared. Indians Press in this case is very sincere.
Raps ,murders, extortions, smuggling, gangsterism are every where in the world not just U.S......they are reported......
RE:Muslims should introspect
by Ramesh Kumar on Jul 31, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
Undoubtedly the Arabic Religion that u call Islam is the best religion. All great religions advise to pray for the betterment of whole humanity. Islam preaches to pray for the betterment of whole Umaha. All great religions address all the people as humans and can accept change for the betterment of humans while as Islam addresses humans as superior believers and inferior non believers and can not accept change. All great religions preach universal brotherhood of humans and Islam preaches universal brother hood of Muslims. Dear Mr. Ismail Sayyed Muslims are not at fault. After all they too come from the human race. It is the Talibani preachings that makes them do in human activ
RE:RE:Muslims should introspect
by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 06, 2007 01:45 AM Permalink
add '.......Kill the unbeliever'...resulting in Terroristic Jihadism which goes unchecked by other Muslims. Prefering death than RATIONAL HUMAN SURVIVAL.....Desparation to justify the supremacy of their beliefs.
RE:Muslims should introspect
by Ramesh Kumar on Jul 31, 2007 10:28 AM Permalink
Undoubtedly the Arabic Religion that u call Islam is the best religion. All great religions advise to pray for the betterment of whole humanity. Islam preaches to pray for the betterment of whole Umaha ie community of believers. All great religions address all the people as humans and can accept change for the betterment of humans while as Islam addresses humans as superior believers and inferior non believers and can not accept change. All great religions preach universal brotherhood of humans and Islam preaches universal brother hood of Muslims. Dear Mr. Ismail Sayyed Muslims are not at fault. After all they too come from the human race. It is the Talibani preachings that makes them do in human activities. Thanks and regards%u2026
RE:Muslims should introspect
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 31, 2007 09:49 AM Permalink
If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the "Mercedes" car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of argument that the Muslims are bad, we can%u2019t judge Islam by its followers? If you want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious Qur%u2019an and the Sahih Hadith.If you practically want to check how good a car is put an expert driver behind the steering wheel. Similarly the best and the most exemplary follower of Islam by whom you can check how good Islam is, is the last and final messenger of God, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides Muslims, there are several honest and unbiased non-Muslim historians who have acclaimed that prophet Muhammad was the best human being. According to Michael H. Hart who wrote the book, %u2018The Hundred Most Influential Men in History%u2019, the topmost position, i.e. the number one position goes to the beloved prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh). There are several such examples of non-Muslims paying great tributes to the prophet, like Thomas Carlyle, La-Martine, etc.
RE:RE:Muslims should introspect
by on Aug 31, 2007 10:37 AM Permalink
Ismail Ever heard of Ali Sina, a great scholar of Islam. Please visit his site www.faithfreedom.org to get more knowledge of your prophet.
RE:Muslims should introspect
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 31, 2007 09:46 AM Permalink
I am aware that there are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat, etc. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in such activities. There are black sheep in every community. I know Muslims who are alcoholics and who can drink most of the non-Muslims under the table.Inspite of all the black sheep in the Muslim community, Muslims taken on the whole, yet form the best community in the world. We are the biggest community of tee-totallers as a whole, i.e. those who don%u2019t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are a community which gives the maximum charity in the world. There is not a single person in the world who can even show a candle to the Muslims where modesty is concerned; where sobriety is concerned; where human values and ethics are concerned.
