I wanted to thank you sir, for your deep insight into the Central Intelligence Agency. You have proved that you have achieved, what some may seem to be difficult, enlightenment in the area of International Politics. I'm sure that before you posted this response you checked the article and made sure the response was appropriate. Your knowledge in history of the country or countries that you talk impressed me the most. Comparing the Republic of India to the Republic of Haiti is like comparing apples to oranges, and only the brilliant mind, such as yourself, could have done that.
Facts like the Haitian Revolution that took place due to the dictatorial rule by Fran%uFFFDois Duvalier and his son after him, which resulted in great massacres and arrests and made Haiti the most poorest country in the Western Hemisphere; have no impact to the point that you were making.
It was a sensible thing to do, saying that China and Russia are more credible than America, in fact you might be the first one to say it. I'm sure that during the Cold War, when India sided with the Soviet Union, no one had thought of such a revolutionary idea as this. Your advice to the Research and Analysis Wing will make them indebted to you for life.
As we try to lead our country into the 21st century, we need patriots like you. You with the old Cold War mentality who draws amazing connections from nothing to nothing. All I can say is "Thank you sir."
RE:Well Done Mr. Mir
by Jehan Mir on Jul 25, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
Here is a site for you.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com
This is CIA's greatest hits. A litany of covert operations, assasinations , drug dealings and interference in the political affairs of other countries.
RE:Well Done Mr. Mir
by ACM on Jul 26, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
Jehan Mir, People's minds are conditioned to look for information freely available to suit their prejudiced views. Two people with different objectives can use subsets selectively from the same set of facts to argue effectively (atleast seemingly to themselves) for or against a case. But reality tends to be somewhere contorted so deeply into events and facts that it's almost impossible to conclude what it effectively is. The most pragmatic approach is to understand the broad idea (not what suits oneself) and move on. In this particular case, India and USA are trying to acheive a win-win situation guided by the following: India wants energy badly - they dont have proven sources of enery to feed their huge requirements. They want relatively environment friendly (read non carbon) sources of energy and pretty soon. USA needs friends and less worldwide emissions. The troublesome areas are India's soverignity and India's rights to reprocess spent fuel which the US worries about accidental leakage of nuclear knowhow to the wrong hands. That is all there is to it!
RE:Well Done Mr. Mir
by Jehan Mir on Jul 25, 2007 05:47 AM Permalink
Haiti was just one example in South and Central America. The worm eat up apples and oranges alike.
This US inteference in the internal affairs of other countries is well known to everyone. Rediff would run out of space,if I have to recount it.
Only time will tell.You are waiting ,I am waiting too. In the meantime ,its party time for India and USA. Bottoms Up .
RE:Well Done Mr. Mir
by Saibaskar Parthasarathy on Jul 25, 2007 08:39 AM Permalink
Mir, I apperciate your concern but we have faith in Indian spirit which is hrm.. 5000 years old. It is that spirit that keeps us together from the Himalayas to the Indian Ocean. Your country would have been part of this great legacy but... ok past is past... It is because of this spirit we are not ruled by any general but by a parliment and have the option of recycling the politician once every 5 years thereby not letting any single scum to rule us forever. I dont think US is beig enough to hurt this spirit.. We are not afraid of them.. Your country did not have an identity that is why when its spirit was sold to the americans you people kept quiet
This is what is called a planted story. Who has planted it? and why? Does anyone know what is there in this deal? From what it appears, this deal will greatly undermine India's future and also undermine US-India relations because US is again using deception as a foreign policy tool. No deal if fair need to be hidden from general public. There is something to hide and that is not good for US-India relations.
Pretty soon a flotilla of CIA agents would land in India. Through their heavily paid Indian agents,CIA will infiltrate every, civilian, military,industrial sector and political institution in India.
Through bribes ,they would control your political process to make sure nothing goes on politically which is not in the best interests of USA. CIA secretly spent $ 650,000 dollars to get their man elected in Haiti ,in 1984,and has spent billions in other countries.
Since they believe laws of neither USA or India apply to them,they will commit all sort of crimes, murders,break-ins and other disruptive acts( Guantanamo is an example),to keep Indian government and people always guessing,confused and worried
Another example,even though,Musharraf is an " ally " of US in a war against terror,CIA was stabbing him on his back and instigating mischief in Balouchastan and commiting cross border terrorism in Iran from Pakistan soil.
Why do you think,Chinese or Russians start tailing an American the minute he lands at their airports ? Because they know, how much mischief they can cause in a such a short time and how much time and energy wiil have to be spent to negate those effects.
RAW will have to be just extra-vigilant to keep an eye on these people and their agents.
India has already plenty of Dons operating on its soils,you didn't need one more.
Just now was reading a story about how USA is fanning up Turkey's Kurdish problem by supporting Kurds in Iraq all this because Turkey did not toe its line when US invaded Iraq and did not let US to use its territory to launch its attack on Iraq. Guess what Turkey is a NATO member. Trusting USA is not a good idea.
RE:A New Don
by Minto on Jul 25, 2007 05:05 AM Permalink
You are just a stinking Pakistan sympathizer. USA badly needs Indian brain and business acumen. India has lot more leverage on USA than the other way around. India is valuable to USA because of Indian democracy.
Some lefties want to subvert Indo-US relation. They should be shipped to Cuba or Venezuela since USSR is dead and China has become capitalist.
RE:A New Don
by Jehan Mir on Jul 25, 2007 05:28 AM Permalink
USA only caused problems for Pakistan which is ready to violate the sovereignty of Pakistan to distract attention from bad decisions and dismal performance in Afghanistan. India can have USA.
India -USA deal is the best thing which happened for Pakistan because Pakistanis are automatically going to be turned off USA. Its about time.
Its not Indian brains and business acumen,the USA got,it is the Indian air,land and sea which you sold.
RE:RE:A New Don
by Minto on Jul 25, 2007 05:41 AM Permalink
It must be very disappointing for ordinary Pakistanis to see this on again off again relationship with USA. Pakistan needs the money and has to swallow its pride even if USA humiliates her.
India and USA are tied together by the bond of shared value of democracy and deceny.
RE:A New Don
by Sreekanth Nemani on Jul 25, 2007 08:17 AM Permalink
Minto, USA is no-one's friend. The sooner you realize that the better. Infact in international politics there are no friends at all. There is convinience and self-interest.
It is one thing to have friendly relations, and completely different thing to trust them blindly. We paid the price for that with China in 1962, learn from mistakes. Learn to hae a critical, objective view on things. Not propaganda nonsense like 'shared democracies' etc.
A chines diplomat once famously said "You indians believe in your own propaganda, that is the problem".
RE:RE:RE:A New Don
by Jehan Mir on Jul 25, 2007 06:48 AM Permalink
It must be disapponting to you to know that US just today cut down aid to India to 81 millions.
Thats is budget for a small township in backwaters of USA . Where is your pride ?
RE:A New Don
by Jehan Mir on Jul 25, 2007 08:19 AM Permalink
Please read comments by Minto. I did not bottle the argument to issue of pride. He is the one who raised the issue of pride first.
US is paying Pakistan only for the services provided,in fact should be paying a lot more for maintaining 80,000 of its troops on the Pakistan-Afghan border ,which Pakistan rather not be doing and for feeding and other attendent expenses for supporting Afghan refugees , as a result of US occupation and unleashing terror in Afghanistan.
RE:A New Don
by Maulik Shah on Jul 25, 2007 07:01 AM Permalink
So, you've bottled down an argument to the matter of pride? really? because what it looks like to me is that someone has ran out of fronts. let me ask u this: how much is the US aiding to the UK? or how much is the US aiding to Japan? you know why I'm asking this, its because India is developing strong, when the economy of an developing nation strengthens, the US shifts some of the money to other countries in more need. If you want to argue a point, please at least make it sensible, if not then I will try my best to be civil.
I've read all the messages posted for this article by the general public and I only have two words for them: calm down. One gentleman said that he did not know USINPAC, well sir you should do what I did and that is 'google' them. They are sited on this website by author probably because they are the only Political Action Committee that deals with the US-Indo relationship. I am also responding to one such message which dealt with Gujurat and my question is: What does the Quran and Gujurat have to do the Nuclear deal? Please don't make random comments of religious guidance, if we were to call it that, on an article concerning the Nuclear relationships between two countries. Finally, I do agree that the article is throughly incomplete and even rushed. It does not provide the details of the Nuclear Deal, nor does it talk about its passage through the US Congress. While the author does mention "Indian-Americans," he/she did not say 'all' Indian Americans, instead just the ones who have heard of this new progress. My point is this: the readers should keep their points to the topic and they should show some patience with the article. I mean, its not the most informative article on the subject, but lets not beat it to death.
RE:calm down
by ACM on Jul 25, 2007 10:13 PM Permalink
Well there is the US-India Caucus which is chaired currently by none less than Hillary Clinton. I did google UNINPAC and no doubt they have good intentions where India-US relations are concerned. But like you've already agreed with me, this article serves more to advertise their cause (just like you and I googled them up) than create any meaningful news. I just used a satiracal approach. Ridicule is the best form of change induction.
I'm an Indian American and I am not celebrating this deal. I have not seen anyone else celebrating either and I know tons of Indian Americans. Rediff should stop posting these weird-ass news items which in fact are nothing more than lies. This news makes the readers elsewhere think that millions of Indian Americans are out on the streets celebrating the 'new deal' and raising toasts, an iota of which isn't happening.
RE:RE:Who are these indian americans celebrating?
by aa aa on Jul 25, 2007 02:11 AM Permalink
You dont have to take anything so literally. Here celebrating simply means that people are happy. I am an Indian American too and I am really happy. I know tons of Indian Americans and all of them are happy. It will certainly benefit India in the long run. Good relations with each other is in the interest of both of the nation. Proud to be an American, Proud to be an Indian.
IN what way Nuclear deal has manifested as of late, nobody knows.. I live in USA, and i see no celebration... In fact, the leadership of USINPAC has never been seen in public or in contact w/ public... What is this leadership, what are the stated goals... Rediff should get the term of deal, and stop speaking behalf of my name... I am not going in the street to celebrate.. I will remain motionless even when the deal is signed.. I do not trust congress, and want it to be reviewed by BJP... I usually ignore the barking dogs (communists), but i believe they can serve as a useful idiot here by bringing out a bill for the review of Nuclear deal process through parliament.. India should have created many laws as soon as the nuclear deal was announced, so as to make the American senate work in accordance w/ Indian law... India is a soverign nation, and i do not give a crap about America holding india to its law, and American sponsored institutions like NPT, NSG, and CTBT...
RE:BJP/RSS follow quran in Gujarat
by indiman on Jul 25, 2007 04:50 AM Permalink
i think bhudha is a budhist trying to create conflict between hindus and muslims. He has posted similiar nonsense messages against hindus a few eeks ago.
RE:BJP/RSS follow quran in Gujarat
by indiman on Jul 25, 2007 04:58 AM Permalink
and dont say all hindus followed quran in gujarat because i am a hindu and i thought what happened in gujarat was disgusting and lost respect of gujaratis long ago. I think Gujaratis are canibals who have business skills.
RE:BJP/RSS follow quran in Gujarat
by Dilip Kumar Das on Jul 25, 2007 01:09 AM Permalink
Your points are humorous and well-made. But why are you talking about Gujarat and Godhra here ? How are they connected with this news item ?
We are seeing only the coverage of the jubilation in certain camps. Where are the details of the compromises made by either sides, if any ? How does this deal stack up against Hyde act ? What happens to the reprocessing right and supply guaranty sought by India ? Finally, is this deal still subject to ratification by U.S. Congress ?
We need the details, please ! Not just sketchy soundbytes.
