1. Can't Russians help us? Why does this deal have to be approved by the US alone? I thought a bunch of countries including the Chinese will need to approve before they can start selling us the reactors. 2. Does this deal have to be approved by the Indian parliament? If so, what are the chances of that happening?
RE:Need information
by ratnesh srivastav on Jul 18, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
No this deal doesnot have to approved by parliament and this is the reason why UPA govt is not bothered about public opinion.
RE:Need information
by ratnesh srivastav on Jul 18, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
Yes russians can help us. Infact prototype of breeder reactor of 210 MW capacity is already critical (that is working for last 10 months). If we invest 50 billion$ (america is asking 100 billion $ for reactors) in state companies for producing reactors then we would be a global player in 10 years. NPCL (public sector company) has built reactors of 1000MW and are ready to supply us more of such reactors only if government invests. Russians have offered floating reactors on ships that are powerful enough to power cities like chennai and mumbai.
The UPA government wants to sign this deal because this will compromise Indian nuclear freedom (something that US wanted to do fo a long time).
We will not be able to test another device. and as now we are dependent on Arab oil we will become dependent on american nuclear fuel.
COMMON WAKE UP POST WHERE EVER POSSIBLE ON ALL BLOGS AND SITES THE MESSAGE WE DONT WANT A DEAL WITH AMERICA WE DONT WANT TO BE DEPENDENT ON THEM ANY MORE
PREVIOUSLY WE DO NOT HAVE MONEY SO WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GO THAT FORWARD IN NUCLEAR BUT NOW WE CAN ITS POSSIBLE . WHY DO WE FORGET WE MADE NUCLEAR BOMB ON OUR OWN WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR FAILURES COMMON WE ARE GOING ON MOON NEXT YEAR WHAT U ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT MISSILES AND FAILURES .
WE CAN 1. LAUNCH OUR SATELLITES 2. BUILD NUCLEAR REACTERS 3. NUCLEAR BOMBS 4. WILL BE LANDING ON MOON FOR WHAT THE BLOODY HELL WE WANT AMERICA
WE WILL MAKE ELECTRICITY BY FISSION NOT BY FUSION AND THE NEXT COMMING YEARS WE WILL SUCCESSFULLY DO NUCLEAR FUSION ALSO
COMMON POST ALL OVER INTERNET WE DONT WANT AMERICAS SUPPORT
dont be naive, u are over-estimating your scientific capabilities by a light year.
launching using russian cryogenic engines reactors built by russia or america nuclear bomb design freely availbale on internet landing on moon, you volunteer as a passenger succesfully do fusion music
do not make any deal before the chandrayan lands on moon let us first achieve it and see what happens then , america will be shattered by he success of india . if we do any deal with america then america will go for similar deal with pakistan and get bussiness from pakistan and india . now america is losing bussiness and spending more in war they want to come out of that and make money for that they want bussiness from india . if india goes with some deal with usa then acting against iran will be difficult they will get nuclear empowered . iran is shia country and saudi sunni muslim country , america supports the sunnis i.e saudi . so there shia sunni will fight, here hindu muslim will fight and america will make money. donot go with america let them be with pakistan forever we have the required technology to meet our demands. wait and watch america suffering
is there a working thorium reactor ? in that case the deal with america or NPT need not be signed. the so called thorium reactor will be produced after 30 years (which wont work just like arjun tank or tejas fighter) and by that time ther wont be any energy for power.
the very few projects that work - brahmos & isaro rockets are done with close russian collaboration.
so konw the limitations of the local science establishment (the best scientist from india are in america), thats imperative.
RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by ratnesh srivastav on Jul 18, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
Your nature is terrible to say the least. You refuse that nuclear energy is CANNOT replace oil and gas else US would not be dependent on Gulf oil.
You have been exposed as an american stooge.
You are free to kiss and lick American BOOTS but we Indians will never bow down to sign any third class agreement.
If you are so in love with america then get the hell out of India.
And Indian scientists have delievered:
It took US and USSR more than 9000 nuclear explosions to be able to design Thermonuclear bomb whereas Indian scientists designed in 5 1 explosions without any help.
It is people like you who have crap names to hide behind and pretend that you are indians. But your game is up.
RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by inkypinky on Jul 18, 2007 02:57 PM Permalink
no they have not delivered, the THERMONUCLEAR bomb test in 1998 did NOT work.
anyway if you don't like america, show by ACTIONS not words....boycott all american & western incvented products such as computers, internet, automobiles, movies, television, satellites, aeroplanes, pharmaceuticals, slectronics etc.
RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by inkypinky on Jul 18, 2007 03:07 PM Permalink
This was a test of reduced yield two-stage thermonuclear bomb using a fusion boosted fission primary, apparently a 43-45 kt design test yield for a ~300 kt weapon. The available evidence indicates that the boosted primary performed correctly, but that the secondary stage failed partially.
RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by inkypinky on Jul 18, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
India may not have an H-bomb, says scientist P Rajendran
Dr B K Subba Rao may not be a familiar name, not quite in the league of Dr P K Iyengar, Dr R Chidambaram and the like. But this scientist, who once worked on an Indian nuclear submarine project and stymied some bad projects backed by the establishment then, is now calling the veracity of the thermonuclear test at Pokhran into question and demands a parliamentary investigation into the possibility of fraud.
He points out the unnaturally low seismic values registered across the world. An early Chinese H-bomb explosion had yielded six megatons. Even the 1974 explosion had produced a signal of 5 on the Richter scale, in comparison to the 4.7 registered the current tests by the British Geological Survey and the National Geophysical Research Institute at Hyderabad with some international institutes registering higher values, all of which pointed to values between 15 and 25 kilotons.
RE:RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by inkypinky on Jul 18, 2007 03:43 PM Permalink
your article is nonsense,a 40-60 kiloton h-bomb yield is very, very small....its actually the fission a-bomb trigger in the first stage, the 2nd fusion stage did not work which would have yielded 300 kt.
it was designed for 300 kt yield, so the yield is 1/5 of the intended, thus shows it did not work ....just like arjun tank & tejas fighter.
RE:RE:RE:RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by inkypinky on Jul 18, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
kindly swallow your pride & face reality, the march to greatness is first accepting ones limitations.
RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by ratnesh srivastav on Jul 18, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
So now you call the prestigious magazine NewScientist as rubbish. And you selectively half-quote scientists.
Again your lies are exposed. You are like people who speak half truth which is nothing but lies.
We Indians are proud of our achievements and unlike you american thevies (who stole rocket and nuclear tech from german scientists) we have worked hard to achieve state of art even with less than 0.5% of research budget.
So you can maintain your stupid american ignorance.
RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by ratnesh srivastav on Jul 18, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
you are lying again as the output was 60 and not 45 kt
The respected New Scientist magazine confirmed the near 60 kiloton yield and set at rest the controversy whether or not India exploded a thermonuclear device.
link : http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/jul/27bomb1.htm
againwe tell you that you will not be allowed to spread lies
RE:RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by ratnesh srivastav on Jul 18, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
AEC chairman Dr R Chidambaram had said the low values were due to phase differences -- as happens when waves cancel each other out -- when the three devices were set off together.
RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by ratnesh srivastav on Jul 18, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Ya ya for non scientific people like you I can understand the difficulty in understanding wave difference in sesmic disturbances and distructive interference.
RE:RE:RE:look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
by ratnesh srivastav on Jul 18, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
read this article to become better informed
This nuke deal initiated by US is its one of the moves in its International policy towards middle east. They want Indian support to counter China Russia who are now combined and challenging US hegemony in the world. Presently US is trying to control middle east oil fields which is not in favor of both China and Russia. for last 20 years US is intentionally instigating Muslims of mid east to disturb the mid east so that he can interfere and stay their with forces. US want India manageable by something that is important for India. India is needs nuke materials for its energy needs and US saw this as an opportunity to keep India always on toe. US is master of art of breaking agreements by creating problems and than offering solutions. Indian politicians know all these things and are careful therefore. Only worry for Indian people is corrupt politicians who are not reliable.
Pkl. Afternoon, 1.20pm.,Wednesday, July 18, 2007. Dr Anil Lakodar , Chairman AEC India is portrayed by American Officials in the State Deptt. US as 600 Kg. Gorilla in the conference hall. That reveals that he is there to ensure that the concerns and considerations of Indian Weapon Technology , Recycling used Fuel or indian strategic autonomy to resume weapon grade testing, if the circumstances need that are not ignored , by Diplomats and peaceniks keen on sealing the INDO-US Nuclear Agreement. This is important.It is hoped that Mandated seniors like Sri Shivshankar Menon foreign Secretary/MK Mahadevan adviser Security because of their clout with Manmohan Estt. do not ride rough shod over Dr. Kakodar's concerns in order to get Kuddos in Diplomatic community of Democrats in US Congress ,and Manmohan's followers in the Indian Government , bent on seeking via-media with US non-proliferators in order to achieve a great Image -Boost.We also hope that Dr Kakodar and his team from AEC, holds out,and would not be bamboozled and shall not lack professional courage to say "NO" if they think it is against National interest, even ,if it means rejecting the highly valorized expected Agreement by non-technical cheer -leaders of Manmohan Singh's Camp.D. Goel
RE:Nuclear Scientist's presence in Washington- 123 Agreement...
by inkypinky on Jul 18, 2007 02:14 PM Permalink
look at it clearly, have indian scientists delivered...no.
is there a working thorium reactor ? in that case the deal with america or NPT need not be signed. the so called thorium reactor will be produced after 30 years (which wont work just like arjun tank or tejas fighter) and by that time ther wont be any energy for power.
the very few projects that work - brahmos & isro rockets are done with close russian collaboration.
so know the limitations of the local science establishment (the best scientist from india are in america), thats imperative.
Well said Chakravarthy, I think our Nuclear Scientists are the last line of defense in these negotiations to shackle India to the Anglo-American Establishment. The fact is well know that the Anglo-American establishment has always tried to keep India weak and emasculated. The Americans have always supported our arch enemy - Pakistan.
Our Scientists have worked very hard to achieve the present level of nuclear capability. The main reason the American have come up with this offer to to prevent India from acquiring further competence in Thorium processing which the Americans never anticipated. Now that India is likely to attain self sufficiency and sustenance in this field they want to hijack it thru this Nuclear Agreement and over a period of time roll back our Nuclear Weapons programme. Nuclear weapons are essential for India's survival, look at what has happenned to non-nuclear weapon states like Iraq, Nicaragua, Grenada in this Anglo-American dominated world. Even a smaller country like Iran has shown more resolve against the Americans in pursuing their weapons program. The Indian Negotiators should not compromise any aspect of our security. After all it should be remembered that the Americans initiated these discussions, it was their need and if they want an agreement they have to do it on our terms and conditions. No comprise there.
RE:RE:No compromise on our Nuclear capability
by inkypinky on Jul 18, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
anyway if you don't like america, show by ACTIONS not words....boycott all american & western incvented products such as computers, internet, automobiles, movies, television, satellites, aeroplanes, pharmaceuticals, slectronics etc.
RE:No compromise on our Nuclear capability
by inkypinky on Jul 18, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
know your limitations....thats the mark of a great man, instead of having too much self-pride, dont get carried away by the words of politicains....and now scientists.
RE:RE:No compromise on our Nuclear capability
by inkypinky on Jul 18, 2007 02:15 PM Permalink
what a lark ! some pro-pakistani and pro-chinese elements are objecting that alliance with america is not moral because america had attacked japan & iraq, but alliance with pakistan & china is good because pakistan & china have both attacked india....ha ha ha ha !!!
is this not probably the funniest thing you have heard in the past 100 years ? ha ha ha ha....ho ho ho ho......he he he he !!!
RE:No compromise on our Nuclear capability
by ratnesh srivastav on Jul 18, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
inkypinky has gone mad. I agree with younus siddique.
Government of India's real intentions are too obvious by keeping Mr.Kakodkar out of crucial meetings. His presence it-self is a classic diplomatic exercise of cosmetic convenience to silence the so-called 'Voice of AEC establishment'and other genuinely interested and knowledgeables who would not be afraid to call a spade as a spade. Mind you it is President Bush's reputation at stake and that is what seems to be bothering New Delhi who wish to see that it alone gets support and not India's genuine and critical ultimate interests! What is worse is Dr. Man Mohan Singh is a party to it! God help India.
What we shall be clear during the drafting of the agreement is the language, Americans and our Babus always play with words and the loss will be to the weaker party at the negotiating table and at the stage of implimentation. We can not conclude on the intentions of the other party, though it is very important till coming to the table, then onwards, what matters is the language. Let us be careful about it. The Scientific community represented by Dr. Kakodkar shall be understood as the key element in the negotiations, and shall be given due importance.
