Well, honestly, while all of us may have the gut feel that Haneef indeed helped the others "recklessly" or with conscious intent, 1. There's no direct evidence to prove the same. 2. The Ministry played foul by revoking his visa to detain him. 3. Even if his visa was revoked, he should have been granted a temporary stay in Australia or he should be deported to India or the UK as is done in most cases.
I have given my mobile phone sim card to my friend in Goa after my 8-month stay ended. Why? not 240 Pounds talktime, just a great deal! 25Paisa National SMS...now that guy goes ahead gives it to someone else, who in turn uses it for some extortion calls or a terrorist act, who is to blame? Me? It's a question we should all ask ourselves.
If he is innocent he would be set free in due course of time...hahahahaha I find that statement absolutely hilarious!
Sanjay Dutt is a classic example. Stupidity...and he has been tormented by the TADA courts...finally? 3 years in prison...3 years in prison after 14 years of torture.
We need to be scared of everyone now. Our parents, siblings, relatives, friends. Never give anything that might endanger your life.
The Australian Govt. is teaching us this lesson...let's learn it well.
RE:Politics and Judiciary
by S Kiran on Jul 19, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
Don't trivialize things. Remember we are fighting terrorism, not petty criminals. Let the Aussies do their investigation.
RE:Politics and Judiciary
by gujfact on Jul 19, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
Truth is always bitter, when it comes to you, you start talking all wise things, assuming Dr Haneef to be innoscent,
why the same people come front @ to advice those involved in Kashmir and recent Train blast to challange openly. @ why not condemn the people or disassociate with people who declared fatwa against artist who draw mohammed cartoon. @ appreciate Pak Prez Mr Musharaf for Lal masjid whre tons of ammunication found in masjid.
@ why these people not pressurising to hang terrorist who has attacked our own parliament
let us debate these national issues concering us rather than individual not staying in india.
RE:Politics and Judiciary
by ratnajayant gudavally on Dec 19, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
QUITE APT.....But no one will talk....that is the inbuilt defense mechanism !
I see it as amazing that all the Muslims are coming out of their woodworks to lend their support to this guy with assumption that he is innocent without a shred of doubt, while the facts on the ground suggest otherwise and the jury is still out. I remember right after 9/11, most Muslims proclaimed that Osama is innocent because there isn't sufficient evidence. It's a proven statistically proven fact that most terrorists are Muslims, still they plead innocence for every terrorists. It's Muslims people's nepotism over their absolute lack of even a minimal sense of justice and right/wrong is what pisses me off and makes me never to trust them.
RE:RE:Muslim blindfaith
by Tam Jhaam on Jul 19, 2007 08:34 AM Permalink
Well then he has nothing to worry, does he. Sooner or later he will be let go. But if a jihadi bomb making website pops up on his computer, then he is going to be fried in hot oil.
RE:Muslim blindfaith
by Tam Jhaam on Jul 19, 2007 08:38 AM Permalink
I never questioned what / who you are. But your preemptive declaration raisess some doubt, just like the defense of Haneef. Notwithstanding what you are, my statements stand.
RE:Muslim blindfaith
by Drew David on Jul 19, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
If your assumption is that I am Muslim, then you are demonstrating the dangers of assumption. If you ASSUME you risk making an ASS out of U and ME. I'd rather shun labels but since you seem so insistent, I'm an Australian born of English parents, Jewish-born Christian educated Buddhist. Tam Jhaam...Please take a breath in through your nostrils. And let it go. Repeat as many times as you like. Assumption and generalisation go hand in hand and have led to many injustices all on the basis of labels, labels, labels... Sorry no name on my first post, this one too probably - I am new to this - help?! TROPPOCHOOK with love
RE:Muslim blindfaith
by Tam Jhaam on Jul 19, 2007 08:30 AM Permalink
I am not talking about you, and the people who are supporting Haneef in Australia. I think those aussies who are supporting him have either some ulterior political motivation or they have a big heart. I was talking more about the people in the comments section. And you being English born Aussie does not change a thing of what I said. I am just comparing the muslims in media and over here in comments who spoke against the terrorist caught in UK, trying to commit mass murder, versus muslims who spoke in support of Haneef. I don't think I even saw the former moderate muslims, I only saw latter ones. You being an Aussie are acting as conscience to your fellow Aussie is what is missing from muslim community. Their community is totally amoral.
Remember about 100 years back... the War to end all Wars. The war on terror is just another one... how can war end war, violence end violence, terror end terror? Dr Haneef is part of the Howard government's plan of 'populist' racism and fear mongering in a desperate attempt to win the upcoming federal election. Just as 'illegal' immigrants were throwing their children overboard in the lead up to the last election, Dr Haneef is clearly a terrorist because he fits the stereotypical profile. Australian society seems to me to be changing for the better as different nationalities coexist and intermix (and I live in 'redneck' country Queensland!) but there is still a strong undercurrent of racism, fear and closed mindedness. It seems John Howard and co. need another David Hicks - this time a Muslim and a foreign national fits the bill so neatly. Innocent people are being sacrificed in order to justify this War on Terror. An enemy has been created so any one of us can become the next Mohammed Haneef. May Australians rise up with voices of protest at being treated by our government and media as ignorant sheep, otherwise we sit and watch our precious freedoms be eroded further and further. May their be tolerance, acceptance, peace and love. Thankyou.
RE:War to End all Wars
by Abbas Khan on Jul 19, 2007 05:53 PM Permalink
I thoroughly agree with you sir. During the current times, I do not know what future awaits our children... i do not belive in a heaven or hell... i believe in just LIFE and that we have got none other than Earth... but sir dont know where the things are heading at.
RE:THINK ... If You Are Capable Of Thinking.
by S Kiran on Jul 19, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
Will u give ur SIM card to a friend if u know that he is into terrorism?
RE:Do not take in Haneef
by masood m on Jul 19, 2007 01:06 AM Permalink
You are right. Why should we take in someone who has not committed crime except that he gave/lent his SIM card to his relative at a time the relative was perfectly innocent and was ok. After all i guess its takes some crime to enter India right? Else how would we have some many innocent MP's/MLA etc
You know what, we should all get a crystal grazing ball. Because now we should all look into the future, then decide on our actions. Also because we are not just responsible for our actions but our relatives as well. I mean did u check out all ur relatives before being born and hold on... not just the past but the future as well?
I need that crystal ball now... else how do I know ur not a terrorist Bheja Try.
Think sensibly. You are an Indian. Not the American public.
I think the astrologers will have a lot of business now! yeah...
RE:Do not take in Haneef
by S Kiran on Jul 19, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
Innocent relative???? You have read all reports. B'lore police have said that Haneef's cousins not really innocent and they have proof!
320 GB hard disk, with lots of jihadi material, conference for Chechan terrorists, a long list.
RE:Do not take in Haneef
by sowhat on Jul 19, 2007 04:48 AM Permalink
Haneef got to prove himself he is innocent. 1.He got to prove that he did not know the terrorist intentions when he loaned his SIM. 2.He got to prove why he was leaving on one way ticket right after the failed terrorist attack.
BTW, if he planned his vacation to visit his new born daughter (rather than a last minute escape), his vacation request can answer lot of questions.
RE:Do not take in Haneef
by hiral joshi on Jul 19, 2007 10:25 AM Permalink
Moreover if it would be a planned vacation, no loving father and husband would be foolish enough upto not to have money even for buying tickets.
what is indian govt doing just acting like a mare spectator i dont think govt has guts to protest the illigal act done by australians weather it may be the australian govt which detained hanif illigally and weather it may be australian cricket team illtreating sharad pawar at the price distributing ceremony
Where is Human Rights Commission? Where is India Govt.? Where is the people who are protesting in India when there is injustice to all? Are our minds and bodies we sold to foreign countries? Why should we come forward to keep our self-respect and India's pride in all parts of the world? Why Indian people are keeping mum on the illegal high handedness and bad behaviour imposed one of our Indian Brethern in the name of TERRORISM LAWS wherein he was fully co-operated all the inquiries of the Australian Police and the so-called incidents occured in far away place at UK? Whether it is a crime to correspond or talk to the relatives at any moment if any of the relatives of ones is badly needed help? What is our Indian Muslim brethern doing here? Come and protest against Australian Govt. and take the case to Human Rights Commission and make demonstrations of all over the country against illegal treatment meted out our fellow Indian Citizen in Australia. Come on India, RACISM AND RACIST GOVTS ARE LIKE HITLER TYPE MODEL OF ADMINISRATIONS new AVTAR? We should awaken India's pride and independence at any cost.
RE:AUSTRALIAN GOVT. IS BEHAVING LIKE A RACIST COUNTRY!!!
by Reji A on Jul 18, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
My request to Indian Govt. is to put a couple of australians in jail in India. The treatment meted out to the Indian Doc by the asutralian govt. is ridiculous, all for a SIM card. bl---dy descendents of prisoners!!!!!! Hanif 's photo in prison van can be seen in sydney . PATHETIC
