RE:INJUSTICE
by akash on Jul 16, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
Australia is free country. It can decide its own laws and administer it. It has all the freedom in the world to decide who to allow to enter or live in that country.
Engaging in that freedom is not 'Injustice'. Actually, we, Indians should stay away from advising them on what to do or not to do.
We, do not have 'the right'u2019 to force any other country to allow Indians to live in that country.
RE:INJUSTICE
by imran on Jul 16, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
Dear friend if u have knowledge then u should known that in any country their r rules and regulation to detain the citizen of other country .it is high level agreement what u known abt that .
RE:RE:INJUSTICE
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
Not when that citizen has gone and blown a few bits of bombs here and there. High level agreements are meant to facilitate economy, not terrorism.
RE:RE:RE:INJUSTICE
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
This was in reply to imran; rediff has placed this wrongly, although the alignment is correct.
RE:RE:INJUSTICE
by akash on Jul 16, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
I have lived in US for 10 years so I know more about them than you would ever do.
You see, they do'nt have politicians like Sonia and Manmohan who always think about vote banks. Indian Muslims are spoiled by Congress, now they think that they can demand anything from anybody. And it will be given to them to get their votes.
RE:INJUSTICE
by Pratap Bhanja on Jul 16, 2007 03:48 PM Permalink
injustice? can you put your mother/father/ any nearone into any risk, when you have slight knowledge about it? All these are measures to understand the terror network, to unearth any clue, to get more info. Again, as the proverbial words say : someone does and someone pays. The blunder Haneff did is handing over his SIM card. Now, this is the price for that blunder (in age of terrorism).
RE:RE:RE:INJUSTICE
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jul 16, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
People should be careful of this Imran guy as he is a potential terrorist because he is justying terror. I am sure IB has already traced and tracked him down.
RE:INJUSTICE
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
Hindus face so much of injustice in their daily life - yet, it does not give rise to terrorism among us - not here, not in any other country. Time for you to stop justifying terrorism and if possible, change your religion.
RE:INJUSTICE
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jul 16, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
Injustice ? WTF was he doing in a foreign country messing up with terrorists. The west must must blacklist all relatives of terrorists so that they are not allowed to travel. This will make sure people think twice before misusing freedom and democracy in western countries and in India.
RE:The good time is coming!!
by akash on Jul 16, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
Australia is free country. It can decide its own laws and administer it. It has all the freedom in the world to decide who to allow to enter or live in that country.
Engaging in that freedom is not %u2018Injustice%u2019. Actually, we, Indians should stay away from advising them on what to do or not to do.
We, do not have %u2018the right%u2019 to force any other country to allow Indians to live in that country.
Hanif is innocent until the charges against him are proved. If he is involved in any unlawful activities then he should be punished. For the moment the only charge against him is giving the SIM card to his cousin which does not relate to Terrorism.
He should be given a fair trail. It seems the Australian Govt( or the minister who revoked hanif's Visa) is acting in haste.
RE:Justice needed
by Akram on Jul 16, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
carrying a muslim name is enough for branding terrorism,this fellow has given his SIM card to a person involved in terrorism. This instance is more than enough to charge and put in Jail.
Australian govt is not acting in haste,it is their strategy of dealing with asian people. How can anybody expect justice from brothers of Bush and Blair. Bush will talk about peace in Mideast and in other hand will be veetoing all the resolutions taken against Israel- double standard
Now everyone in the world come to know that a poor should not belive in the law of country. Bcoz once he caught any how he is going to face punishment for what he had either done or not Now u should never trust in any country judicery system .Australain Govt had prooved that.
RE:Politicts
by Chatrapathy on Jul 16, 2007 03:31 PM Permalink
Y is he trying to run away from AUS with a one way ticket to India as soon as he heard about the blasy-----Isnt this something to think about
RE:Politicts
by Aftab on Jul 16, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Zulekha-- Mind your language and learn a better way of expressing your anger than using filthy laguage and branding all Hindu brotherns.We have problems from people like you who are head strong and have weak nerves.
RE:Politicts
by ItsMe on Jul 16, 2007 03:48 PM Permalink
zulekha, take it easy, first try and understand things.
people who travel international know that one way ticket is too expensive, so everyone just buys two way tickets. return date is open so you can travel anytime in say 6 months. people who are coming back permanently only they buy one way tickets. but people who do that generally resign from work, sell off things and plan to come back.
haneef just buys one way ticket, does not resign, does not sell off his stuff, it is kind of suspicious because all this happens as soon as news about his cousin flash in the media.
so think before you speak. just think. i am not saying he is guilty.
RE:Politicts
by Anti Terrorist on Jul 16, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
Zulekha , when somebody is working outside the country , and if he/she takes a one way ticket to home country without applying leave and without resigning , one would doubt the motive you Bloody Muslim Moron
RE:Politicts
by imran on Jul 16, 2007 03:34 PM Permalink
If 2morrow ur wife will dlevered a baby and u r at some other country .u will 1st do is only to reach home not u will wait and decided that u have to return back in 2 or 6 days. ok.
RE:Politicts
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jul 16, 2007 03:38 PM Permalink
very true - too much has been read into this issue. At the same time - any country must take decisions which minimise risk to its citizens and Australlia is well within its rights to throw Haneef out of Australia irrespective of direct or indirect involvement. Even if there is 0.001% chance that Haneef is guilty. I would expect Indian government to act with similar strictness against foriegners.
Award severe Punishment to anyone who is involved in terror attack.But harassing anyone who is not involved in the crime and in this case Dr haneef who has been cleared by the Australian Court is a gross injustice.
The whole world is a witness to your injustice.
If he is really involved in the crime then why no evidence has been brought before Australian Court which has released him.
We expect the Australian Government and government of other countries to act on policy of sparing none who is involved in terror attack and harassing none who is not involved.
RE:Dr Haneef
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jul 16, 2007 03:41 PM Permalink
Aftab - even if there is a 1% chance that a foriegner has supported terrorists - we should not allow them into India. I suppose Australia has every right to throw out friends and relatives of proven terrorists who are foriegners. Even in India foriegners ( except for one notable exception ) do have same fundamental rights as citizens.
RE:RE:Dr Haneef
by Abbas Rumani on Jul 16, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
Anurag you are a hypocrite. if being muslim for you is foriegner than why exception for Dr. Kalam. you can't deny that after all he is at least by name a Muslim. That is enough for people like you.
RE:RE:RE:Dr Haneef
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jul 16, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
and that notable exception of foriegner I spoke about was one Italian we all know about !
RE:Dr Haneef
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jul 16, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
Of course not - muslims are not foreigners for me and they are equal citizens as anyone else. Their contribution to this country is absolutely immense. I have no idea why you made this comment.
RE:Dr Haneef
by asdf aa on Jul 16, 2007 03:48 PM Permalink
yes, but he was living in australia legaly till the day before that.I faustralians wanted to deport him, fine.But immigration should not have interfered with justice system when he was undergoing trial to find out if he is guilty or not.
RE:Dr Haneef
by imran on Jul 16, 2007 03:36 PM Permalink
if gulity then prove it with eviedance.only sim card merely cannot be said an evedance for that act
RE:Dr Haneef
by Anti Terrorist on Jul 16, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
you may feel Australian Govt has treated Haneef unfairly , but every country has its own Laws!
RE:Dr Haneef
by hiral joshi on Jul 16, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
Its not my job to prove. Let Australian Judiciary do that and dont forget its Australia and not India where sympathatic demonstrations and threats of minority-backlash are changing justice.
RE:Dr Haneef
by Abbas Rumani on Jul 16, 2007 03:48 PM Permalink
Read the charge. left SIM with his cousin recklessly. You could say it is a mistake but no way a crime. Million of people might have done such mistakes.
RE:RE:Dr Haneef
by hiral joshi on Jul 16, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
But cousins of those millions are not bombing with syringes fitted in Car with Gasoline tanks.
May be time has not yet come for poor haneef. Australian has proved it cops.. That in entire world Govt will work in the same fashion...They don't have sufficient evidence to prove that Haneef was involved in the terrorism. But they are not ready to accept it as their ego will hurt .....Just to satisfy this, they are depending on silly reasons for detention like SIM CARD r immigration revoking....
RE:poor haneef
by asdf aa on Jul 16, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
It is upto the Australian police to prove if SIM card was intended for terrorist use. I think the y have charged him out of desperation after all the media coverage of arresting a terror suspect, they can't now go back and say there is no evidence.
Haneef is a terrorist because his cousin is the main accused and he has helped his cousin for this terrorist activity. It would be hard to believe that he was not aware of his cousins terrorits activites. If he was not aware of his cousins activities, then why should he leave Australia on a one way ticket just on the day of the bom blast in England. I am fully with the Australia govenment in seeing that all terrorist are punished severly. We cannot blame the total muslim community for this sort of terrorist activities because there are a few radical elements in any society.
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by hiral joshi on Jul 16, 2007 03:39 PM Permalink
Moreover he made an email communication with somebody, stating that he may have to leave Australia very soon. Australian police has strong doubts and they dont want to let him go away because he might be having other information about terror-network in australia. So far Australia was free from terror activities and at anycoast they cant afford to have a setup of network in their country. Authorities are knowing that once Haneef goes to India he will banish and Australia cant touch him again (UPA govt will ofcourse protect such people). If Aussie govt had any partiality toward muslims then others would have not been released.
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by Farukh Shaikh on Jul 16, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
I am not able to understand why you guys are targeting any community. Why dont you call a person terrorist why you are calling them muslim. What US done in IRAQ , they destroyed IRAQ for no reason.They killed so many innocent people why dont you call US terrorist.
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by partner u on Jul 16, 2007 03:32 PM Permalink
Please don't conclude that Haneef is Terrorist. Just because his cousins are done so and he has given his sim card...From day one it his wife has maintained that sim was given to sibel before leaving England as they were moving Australia...It is happening everywhere...somany SIM CARDS Changed hands In India...But that doesn't make anyone terrorist... The second point for one way ticket r not mentioning nothing in his email abt his ill wife r new born baby was just co incidence with bomb blast.. It is fact that their cousins are Involved in the terrorist activities but that doesn't make Haneef too involved just because he was close with one of them...that is not fair If that was the case why unnecessary he will use own SIM card, which can easily get out using someone else..Just because he trusted his cousins he is in trouble today...
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by Abbas Rumani on Jul 16, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Vishnu so far what i have read in news paper is Haneef left UK, one year back, You said it is hard to belive that he was not aware of his cousin terrorits activities. If so how come Aus. police did not find any clue about his contact with his cousin. any email, phone call. I haven't read any thing about it.
I ask you simple question do you know all about your relatives, what are they doing? and perticularly if they are involved in any illegal activities, do you think they will keep you posted about that. be a logical person. I am not defending Haneef. if he is involve in any illegal act he should be punished. But just becoz you hate Muslim don't pronounce him guilty.
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by sonu on Jul 16, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
Hey Man why Don,t you call American SOldiers and Bush as terrorist why? because they have power they can do anything is IT
RE:RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jul 16, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
Sonu - its people like you who are desperate to go to the west and live there and then abuse them for their hospitality. Its such a shame. Now the west is getting wise and building walls to make sure terrorists and their relatives are thrown back to their countries in disgrace.
RE:RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by sonu on Jul 16, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
I know these people are doing wrong spreading terrorism what who made them terrorist? AMERICA
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by Chatrapathy on Jul 16, 2007 03:27 PM Permalink
America is Indias largest trading partner, America has huge indian population, it is strinking the much envied nuclear deal with India. India and US the world's greatest democracies are complementing each other
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by Azeem Inamdar on Jul 16, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
Mr. Vishnu, you don't what your Cousin is doing behind you, don't blame anyone just becuase someones cousin did something wrong. May you will get catch by Indian Police just because your cousin did something wrong.... Aamin, then you will come to know.
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by mpc on Jul 16, 2007 03:36 PM Permalink
Agree with you Vishnu...he for sure had knowledge of this terror plot...and on a humanitarian ground this bugger shouldve alerted the concerned security agencies...shame on him...
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by tan on Jul 16, 2007 03:26 PM Permalink
Then why did not court grant him bail. How come you know he is terrorist which hasnt been put forth yet. Let the courts decide whether he is one or not . It is not for nut heads like to say guilty until proven innocent . It is innocent until proven guilty. you are saying it because hanif happens to be a muslim. What if hanif name was instead hanuman or himesh or hitesh. What would you have said if same charges were to be leveled against these names.
RE:Haneef shoudl be punished
by Aftab on Jul 16, 2007 03:36 PM Permalink
Vishnuji -- Today a father does not know what his son or daughters are doing.How many parents really know about love affairs of their children.Very few. For many parents,it is surprise.If this is the situation , how will you know what your cousin is doing.So the benifit of doubt should be given to Dr Haneef and he should be spared from further harassment and humiliation. I respect the way his wife has shown grace,confidence and maturity while speaking to TV journalist.
Aussie are burning this man... John Howard is going to elections this year & he was believed to loose... This is a golden opprrtunity for his govt to charge someone for terrorism & convict him for public sympathy.... After all terrorism is the flavor of the times....
RE:A collateral....
by Suyash Tambe on Jul 16, 2007 03:18 PM Permalink
I fully Agree.The Ustralian Govt does not have any evidance against this guy except he is borther of terriost. If being brother of son or relative of terriost is crime then why nt arrest Osama's son?????
RE:A collateral....
by marcella joseph on Jul 16, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
Really appreciate this statement. This holds true as his son was with him and knew of his activities. Inspite of this the media was flashing news of Osama's new daughter-in- law. How do we justify this. If involved and proved punish the culprit but merely punishing coz og being a cousin and assuming to be involved without proof is stupidity.
RE:A collateral....
by mpc on Jul 16, 2007 03:39 PM Permalink
Why dont you accept the reality...your community is posing a threat to human civilization at a time when the world is confronted with more serious problems.
RE:A collateral....
by F17 on Jul 16, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
A US state department study reveled that majority of muslims in the world denounce terrorism...
