The masscure at Lal Majjid in Islamabad is just an eye opender , such incidences are bond to happen in a country which has become a breeding ground of terrorist of whole world.Rightly said "Jo Hath Angare to Chupaie , angara usye hath ko Jaliye."
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by hussain bakhtiyar on Jul 04, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
are you pakistani to give you opinon on there personal issue.i have to speak about kashmir bcz i frimly belive excpet kashmir and north there si nothing called terroism In India.rest is all political game.
Some people never learn from past. They have seen it in the past that freedom to extremists have brought only doom to them. As an old Kannada saying says " Tannolagina kicchu tanna suttallade, neremaneya sudadu koodalasangamadeva" meaning the fire within oneself burns the self first but not the neighbour.
when will this kind of inhuman, barbaric behaviour cease? why is a small faction of humanity behaving as though they havent been born as human beings? why in God's holy name is merciless killing of the innocent been given the term of "jihad"? its time for an "avtaar" to come into this world. ordinary humans, no matter how "powerful" cannot handle the situation which slowly, but steadily is tilting towards "Satan". let the message of peace spread...please lets stop hating easch other. Pakistan or Pakistani's arent bad people, inhuman groups prevail everywhere, including in our so called "secular" country. lets release doves of peace in our own actions, perhaps thats the only way we can survive. god bless one and all.
RE:Particular person is terrorist, NOT Community NOR Religion
by sandeepkumar bodha on Jul 04, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
Mr syed if islam is not preaching killing then y its written in kuran that you will get jannat if u kills a kaffur(non islamic).
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by Hafeezuddin Syed on Jul 04, 2007 11:02 AM Permalink
Dear brother, Half knowledge is dangerous. Better have no knowledge or acquire complete knowledge. I am not a scholar to give a very justified answer. But lemme try.
In Quran, it is mentioned abt killing non-muslims in the war or when somebody is attacking you and NOT IN GENERAL TO EVERYBODY.
In one chapter in Quran, if your enemy does not want to fight with you, Quran says to leave him. And ALSO LEAVE HIM TO A SAFE PLACE.
Now, tell me would any military army or religion in this world says TO LEAVE YOUR ENEMY TO A SAFER PLACE if he is in no mood of war other than ISLAM???????
Dear, it is few handful of people unfortunately muslims and NOT THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM spoiling the future of whole community.
Hitler killed lakhs of people, he should be called a terrorist. He never read or followed Quran nor did he go to a Madarsa.
Please see your neighbour or your colleage who is a true follower of Islam. He will NEVER involve in any such terrorist activities.
If you have read the translation of Quran in detail with description about the circumstances, you will understand. Just one line description of the verse will not fetch you anything. Read the description too.
Now tell me, if u r a Military Commander, will not you order your sepoys to attack your enemy? or you will SAY DONT KILL THEM???
In recent Afghanistan/Iraq war, would Bush say to his army to ATTACK THE ENEMY or DONT KILL THEM???
Please understand this, this was described in that circumstance o
RE:Particular person is terrorist, NOT Community NOR Religion
by mohua gupta on Jul 04, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Mr. Hafeezuddin Syed
I appreciate your views and clarification. I strongly believe that a person or group of people who are doing wrong activities should be crtiticised and not a religion. I am a brahmin by birth and a religious person but i don't support any work that's against humanity. It's really sad and matter of concern for the muslims that aroound the world Islam is associated with terrorism. I wish muslims will try to do something to cure this and not compromise with the radicals and hardliners.
RE:Particular person is terrorist, NOT Community NOR Religion
by mohua gupta on Jul 04, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Mr. Hafeezuddin Syed
I appreciate your views and clarification. I strongly believe that a person or group of people who are doing wrong activities should be crtiticised and not a religion. I am a brahmin by birth and a religious person but i don't support any work that's against humanity. It's really sad and matter of concern for the muslims that aroound the world Islam is associated with terrorism. I wish muslims will try to do something to cure this and not compromise with the radicals and hardliners.
RE:Particular person is terrorist, NOT Community NOR Religion
by mustafa khan khan on Jul 04, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Hi Sandeep Kumar, Every religion fights for there land,including Hindus,sikhs & Mulims.The only difference is when mulims get killed they get paradise and when hindus get killed they get Hell. I bet if you have read Quran,you will know what ISLAM teaches. Mustafa Khan
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by champak on Jul 04, 2007 11:00 AM Permalink
are bhai yeh 'Majhab nahi sikhta , Aapas me bair rakhna' ke funde marne wale bahut milenge. 50 saal se yehi funde congress sunatee aa rahi hai.
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by Common Man on Jul 04, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
What about Islamic terrorist in Chechnya Bali, Indonesia Kashmir South Thailand Afghanistan Iraq Saudi Arabia Palastine Pakistan US UK
And even in numerous other states of India...
Its better you preach this
They r not against religion nor community. They want them to be famous...
in the friday sermon of your neighbourhood mosque
I shall surely recommend you to my neighbourhood mu(lalah), to invite you for the friday sermons
First have some introspection and then post on this messageboard
RE:Particular person is terrorist, NOT Community NOR Religion
by mohd alam on Jul 04, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
then who are in ltte, ranveer sena, naxalite,ulfa who killed indira gandhi muslims?
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by Rohit Mehta on Jul 04, 2007 10:51 AM Permalink
Dear Hafeez Bhai, Your are very correct and i support you, but before that pls let me one thing know why not you blamed your people who does these type of activities under the shelter of mosque and madarssa.They themselves are responsible for giving the islam to be blamed by media that's it
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by Hafeezuddin Syed on Jul 04, 2007 11:40 AM Permalink
I am certainly against these personalities. Blame those personalities and NOT Islam as a whole.
If a person does not know car driving, and you give him BMW (world's best car) would he be able to drive it. ABSOLUTELY NO. Only a perfect driver can do it.
Similarly, dont blame Islam because of its BAD followers.
We also generally come across priests doing grave crimes. Do you blame the Hindu religion, NO... Only that priest. Isn't it?
Then y partiality. I am against Pakistan.
I LOVE INDIA and my religion as any other true citizen of INDIA.
I hate Mush for his personal interests, power and supporting killings of people.
To all those ignorant people out there blaming Islam, get some right knowledge. Blaming those personalities/groups is valid. Not the Religion.
I am not going to comment any more. Thanks. Signed out.
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by prashant kumar on Jul 04, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
Mr Hafeezuddin, your religion belongs to you and it is your child. why dont you and intellegensia of your community come forward and denounce these activity. why is there a mock approval by all segment of muslims and across the world. and in some quater there are some people (muslims) who are putting up agrgument in favour of terrorists...sad Mr Hafeezuddin very sad. The world want to see that the average muslim is as much vary of terorism as any other person. it is now time for you and your community to act.
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by ismail shaik on Jul 04, 2007 12:06 PM Permalink
If U go through the root cause of terrorism, my studies says it is fight against idealogy of ruling govts. Now arms are coming in the hands of civilians frequently and they are expressing their anger without caring about their lives.The root cause of terrorism is US and Israel in the entire globe. They are directly or indirectly involving in internal affairs of other countries.(ismailsk)
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by champak on Jul 04, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
koi fayda nahi hai prashant bhai yeh log kabhi nahi samjhenge aise funde marne wale do char log har jagah mil jayenge islam kya cheez hai yeh sari duniya jantee hai plz funde marna band karo. everybody knows what is truth
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by mustafa khan khan on Jul 04, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
Champa, Why are you worried what world knows about Islam,if you want to know what is truth,come in front of me or Muslim army, they will teach you in good way.
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by hussain bakhtiyar on Jul 04, 2007 01:12 PM Permalink
Muslims of india or all over the world have very dark future bcz of terrorist and facist like you.
this is too much. A terrorists training camp is fully operational in midst of Pakistan and they say they are against terrorism. That too in a 'pak' place like 'masjid'. Really they are handful people who are making entire muslims to be ashamed and disgraced all over the world.
Pls stop soughting against ISLAM. Soughting against Pakistan like country. Is lam does not teach terroist act,some non Islamic person doing this behind name of Islam. I am really shocking to see yesterday's Lal mashjid's pics!!How dangerus they r name of religion!! I request to our Indian government watch a close eye on Musharraf becoz he can tk drastics step for save his power. Otherwise AKRAMAN to Paki & destroy them as a terrorist nation if USA can do why not we??? Jai hind
RE:mush kaha bhagoge ab!!
by mahesh adepu on Jul 04, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
Great yaar Abdullah.Every indian ( muslim or hindu) should think like you.
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by shailendra gaikwad on Jul 04, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
Great Abdullah, India is Land of Great Personalities.This seems that one day Pakistan will again dissolve in India.One Yogi had also said that within 75 years from seperation,Pakistan will be again in India.I think the process has been started. Let the golden era should come to this Spiritual & heavenly land,Bharat. Dr.Shailendra Gaikwad.
RE:mush kaha bhagoge ab!!
by Hooter on Jul 04, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
Gaikwadsaab,
PLEASE DON'T MAKE SUCH A WISH ... PRESENT INDIA WILL DISINTEGRATE BECOZ OF THOSE PATHANS ...
YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAM IN REAL FLESH & BLOOD. THATS WHY YOU ARE TALKING LIKE THAT.
THEY ARE REALLY DIFFERENT IN CUSTOMS & CULTURE FROM INDIANS (OR INDIAN MUSLIMS).
MOST OF NORTH-WEST PAKISTAN & BALOCHISTAN COMPRISES OF TRIBAL AREAS. NO GOVT TILL DATE HAS CONTROL OVER THESE REGIONS. FOR NAMESAKE THEY ARE IN PAK BUT REALLY THEY ARE LIKE "AUTONOMOUS REGIONS".
SO, ITS NOT A PIECE OF CAKE. PAK GOVT ITSELF IS FINDING IT TOUGH TO RULE THOSE REGIONS.
Nobody is interested in what goes inside a Mosque or any other place of worship (if its normal).
What Rehan has said indicates that he does not observe this news as an outsider (like any normal Indian would do) but rather seese himself being blamed for it. Problem is, seamless integration of all muslim problems as one whether it happens in Pakistan or UK or Iraq; My question is how relevant this news is to Indians or Indian Muslims ?
This is purely the problem of Pakistan. Its suffering becoz of its own dose of medicine. Jihadis manufactured out of that country used to carry out attacks in neighbouring India or Afganistan till now. But somewhere that has backfired Pakistan.
Now they are at wrong end of the barrel.
Rehan, we all need to distinguish something here. Islam can not be bashed for something wrong in some foreign country. Same way, Muslims can't protest against something happening in some other foreign country.
Yes, we should do it if its affecting Indians. As Indians, we should protest against Australian Govt if Dr. Haneef is held & released without any charges. But leave that to the govt to lodge a protest.
RE:PAK GETS ITS OWN DOSE !!
by Common Man on Jul 04, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
Rehan, we all need to distinguish something here. Islam can not be bashed for something wrong in some foreign country. Same way, Muslims can't protest against something happening in some other foreign country.
Say the same things in the Delhi mosque, when they protest against Israel, against t he Denmark for the cartoons, don't be a hypocrite.
I shall surely recommend you to my neighbourhood mu(lalah), to invite you for the friday sermons
RE:Ah! meat for the Islam bashing Dogs
by ram on Jul 04, 2007 10:33 AM Permalink
hmmmm...rehan, u seemed to get cynical!!
...but no one deny d fact that it is ONLY Islamic terrorists in all forms n sizes are making this world a very dangerous place to live in...the quicker their "supporters" realise it in India and/or other parts of d world the better...
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by Vishnu on Jul 04, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
Ram, what about those who torched and pillaged and raped at Godhra? Terrorists motivated by misinterpreted Islam may be making the rest of the world a dangerous place but those making India a dangerous place dont just belong to one religion.
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by jyoti bandopadhyay on Jul 04, 2007 10:22 AM Permalink
Who gains really through this kind of violence. Shame Shame Shame
