Hi, Islam itself is trans-national. That is right. If we go one step above, when you close your eyes & pray almost all religions are trans-global. But as far as country is safety is concerned, whether it is islam or hindu, we should support India. It is like, mother have two sons. Because of situations, one follow hindu, another follow islam. When an outsider tries to attack mom, both sons work together to defend our mom, no matter what the outsider's religion may be. Because, mom is narturing w/ milk, like wise, when we get flood, build roads, education for our sons, prevent diseases, protect us etc done by our country.
One fact to notice: when in war, when outsider army plane drops, it doesn't bother which religion down the line.
Also, outsiders, please beware, don't think minor dispute between two son's playful fight as a sign of weakness. When it is national interest, we don't leave our country, remember, we together fought the country from slavery to independence together. Be careful!!!
We have to rewrite every thing on democracy with a non eleted PM on top for 3 yrs & still not willing to seek mandate from public.Mr.Sheshan also lost his credibility by seeking a place in parliament from a party whose commitments to democratic values need no discussion.
shubra, yes saddam did massacre kurds, he did deserve death for that.but who will get tried for the thousands of iraq's getting killed in iraq everyday,who....USA?.......huh....they will have their exit strategy well planned.
why was saddam executed in a hurry?albeit if you say its a political stunt by the republicans for their 2009 election showdown,the reason is not accepted, its far more than that,......its about real image and the hidden intentions of america. he needed a fair trial not a biased one. why wasnt he tried by international court of justice by UN? why was his 2 lawyers killed in mysterious circumstances? why was the most senior judge removed (biased?) and instead was replaced by a one who had already consumed loads of money.
yes there will be some other nation performing the rogue super cop image butUSA has other intentions which they balance them out with a very well supported media which brain washes million people at one go,not to mention that fact that Gerald ford proved to be a true martyr of his country of his timley death during saddam's execution and the american media who would actually cover the death of a dog clearley diverted their coverage to ford and obscurred saddam execution fearing the coverage would trigger terror attacks but this will showcase brillanly hyped during 2009 elections. please read iran-iraq war spanning 9 years,saddam was a made a friend and later a scapegoat by US,to get nuke secrets from iran and pass it over to them.Also as per US double standard track records there were ulterior motives : 1) US didnt want Iran to be the regional power thats why made made saddam friend. 2) got revenue by selling arms to iraq 3)oil motives and also Mr senior Bush was into oil business..and many more.
its all a symbiotic relationship with a ulterior motive,its not globalization thats happening now its exploitation in the name of globalization that the imperialistic powers are hell bent to continue it in a subtle way.
again iam in opposition of the ruthless slowpoisoning pin-pricking double standard "trigger and vanish " methods of american policy makers and not against the people,as truly they did -giving food from chopper from one side and bombs on the other!
refer my reply to Tracy for those of you who havent read my earlier reply.
RE:rogue super cop
by Sivadathan Komath on Jan 27, 2007 02:55 PM Permalink
I am not willing to go deep in to the matter..but just to hi-lite something the writer didnot notice. You can see in india demonstrations against saddam hanging or even for us led forces 'invaded' Iraq. But in the islamic countries nothing happening like this. In Soudi arabia, Kuwait, or Qatar, you cannot see any objection. But they provided full support and base for attack iraq and to kill saddam. None of the present crying indian politicians or writers raise a single word against above countries. No demonstations held when soudi king visits india no demonstations when qatar hosted asiad. no demonstration against free Kuwait.
In india politicians looking only for minority vote bank, they can fool very simply such people like you always... still they are succeeding in their task.
RE:Even Seshan cant desist from cheap publicity!!
by vijay baskar on Jan 27, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
Well said !!! These people reply on america not only on publicity but or everything.Hope all of u are aware each and every IT company which is booming indian economy now is dependent on projects from US and UK
Correctty said. Democracy does not come by holding elections. We from India should be proud because we have the second largest muslim popluation in the world but we are having very little terrorist problems because religion.(Kashmir is again a age old problem from independence and not much attributed because of the recent Terriorist principles). We were able to achieve this because we gave equal opportunities to grow and involve people in all levels. Inspite of the partition Of India based on religious norms and several other communal riots taking place after then it is because of the intelorance and identifying/seggregating the bad elements and not comparing the larger religion group with those antisocial elements helped us grow. Democracy means giving options for all citizn's to grow .But again we could have been a developed country now had our politicians have adopted democracy within their political parties and led parties in a more professional way.
RE:Democracy
by Nishan K on Jan 26, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
Do you live in India? Becuase, terrorists are killing people everywhere and almost regularly in India. May not be in large scale as in some other Country. But if our spineless "Democracy" continues in this fashion, a few years down the line, we'll beat Iraq or any other African country in a heart beat.
crappy article by a person with armchair perception of Islamism...at America thinks of spreading democracy because Americans are not cowardly Hindus who run away from Islamism in Punjab, Sind or Bengal. America must be doing some things right. No terrorism in US since 911 whereas in India it is regular occurrence.
RE:Democracy is not a lollipop
by on Jan 26, 2007 05:38 PM Permalink
Sir, Do you know the boundries of America ? America is sourrended east and west by water and north and south by countries that are so friendly with america. Were as India is sourrended by countries that are potential to cause problems to the country. So just do not compare on the terms like after 9/11 America did not had any terrorist threatrs. The base with which you argue is totally wrong
RE:RE:Democracy is not a lollipop
by Santosh Sadan on Jan 29, 2007 05:04 AM Permalink
Has it ever occured to you that the reason for all those countries neighboring the USA being "so friendly" with America could be because they can't afford to not be so? Being unfriendly to USA could mean risking your very existance, even if you are on the other side of the globe(as Iraq has already realized and Iran too will [by all possiblities] before Bush leaves the white house). Don't you think that the same must be all the more true for counties neighboring the US? It may not be an exageration to stste that even if the US was geographically placed in the same location that India is today, the very counties which are thumbing their nose at India would infact co-exist very peacefully and amiably with the US; for they would cease to exist other wise.
All USA haters know that becuase of US extremists are finding it mighty tough to start a war between india pak china northkorea etc
US is truly a free country where even mullahs enjoy freedom from rogue nations. Because of true democracy there is law and order and development freedom of expression. India may be the biggest democracy but US is the oldest.
TN seshan may be knowledgeable but also too over enthusiastic . If it were not for US millions of iraqis would be still under oppression and India so called friend of saddam would continue to ignore humanity and preach democracy only in words. lets face it no other country call it a supercop or not has done the most for humanitarian needs one cant expect things to go well all the time.
consider the pakis its becoz of hardline approach towards terror on part of US , they have toned down on jehadis. without US booming IY and other segments of economy would simply fold up. All techies enjoying higher salaries owe their prosperity to george bush's forward thinking policy to resist opposition to h1bs being scrapped.. ita a forgetful world!!
RE:IF USA wasnt there there would be chaos
by sahi on Jan 27, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
pak is funded and armed by USA. Saudis are armed and protected by USA.
Taliban - funded and armed by USA until Sep 11 2001. They were hailed as freedom fighters in hollywood flicks like Rambo III.
Iraq/Iran each of them were armed and supported by US.
RE:RE:IF USA wasnt there there would be chaos
by roadster on Jan 28, 2007 11:40 AM Permalink
SAUDIS funded are u crazy ? SAUDI is heavily invested in wallstreet, US has secured its energy needs by offering protection from rogues like IRAN (saudis are SUNNIS) IRANIANS are SHIAS SAUDIS have offered cheaper oil to US in exchange for this service no one does it for free (this cheap oil was needed for US to grow and i dont see why a country wouldnt want to protect its supplier )
Taliban was made and promoted by pakis ISI to keep Afghanistan from becoming a INDIA base, US helped Mujhahideens (AHMAD shah masood) to counteract Soviets and not to attack INDIA or someone else.
IRAN was never funded by AMericans IRAQ was only to keep the oilfields secure and to protect its allies UAE QATAR SAUDIS etc
I just dont see who is the sane mind would justify killing innocent iraqis by GAS just because SADDAM was a great friend of INDIA.
DEMOCRACY is being experimented in a geopolitical scenario where dictatorship and religious decree were being the norm for countless ages, look at the demographics first before expecting spectacular results.
PAKIS being armed but also contained and thats more important every country knows they just cant attack on their own without severe retribution. What'd u expect the russians arm India and the other side would remain docile (not to forget the sever rivalry between cold war enemies russia and USA) it was but natural for US to arm Pakis and now whose got the Nuclear deal is it paki or India. India has earend the respect of the entire world and the economy is growing . look at malaysia, thailand singapore all progressed because of US and UK investments, now it will be India
RE:RE:RE:IF USA wasnt there there would be chaos
by sahi on Jan 29, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-Iran_relations#The_1950s_and_the_politics_of_oil.2C_a_turning_point
check this link and you can research further into the US-UK meddling in iran and why iranian hate americans.
They didn't just wake up one morning and said lets hate americans.
RE:RE:RE:RE:IF USA wasnt there there would be chaos
by PUMA on Jan 31, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
Its is universally known fact that most islamic groups are funded by arbic oil wells. No joke plz!
RE:Awesome Pointer
by anita on Jan 31, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
Only a confused character can give such remarks! Better start watching TV with more attention.
RE:Awesome Pointer
by anita on Jan 31, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
Only a confused character can give such remarks! Better start watching TV with more attention.
RE:RE:RE:IF USA wasnt there there would be chaos
by sahi on Jan 29, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
Bin Laden is a saudi royal cousin. Shah of Iran was an american stooge. Iranians were tortured by CIA trained secret police. Follow the money trail of most islamic terrorist orgs and it will lead you to saudi arabia. And Pak and Saudis are supported by USA. US army is present in both countries.
RE:democracy- american
by wadiyat naqvi on Jan 26, 2007 09:05 AM Permalink
I guess the discussion was regarding democracy in its viability in current global situation which is ridden with sectarian vilolence. I do not appreciate a rhetorical lash out against a particular religion or faith. Following your line of argument India should be the last country to accept democracy since it has a social and political tradition entrenched in social discrimination, exploitation and hierarchy!!! Also, culturally we're the most diverse nation..yet we are a fairly good representation of a functional democracy. The current issues reagarding world political situation, particularly pertaining to the islamic world needs to be tackled without the kind of ignorance, which you have reflected in your opinion. Islam does stand for universal brotherhood but thats in opposition to the cultural perspectives of social hierarchy. It is wrong to assume that Islam doesn't preach nationalism, because it certainly lays emphasis on the love for ones country of birth and origin. Apart from the ignorance regarding the teachings of islam and its prophet the problem also lies in the selective appropriation of the religion by extremist groups to suit and legitimise their own agendas, which can be politically or even perhaps economically motivated. And as a matter of fact, such kind of misappropriation is not restricted to islam alone.
It is very encouraging to read your note. Even though most people realize that its not the average muslim who is to blame for terrorism, the fundamentalists have indeed hijacked the religion. Sane voices like yourself need to speak for the majority of muslims....while at the same time legitimately defending your interests.
Whatever be the present state of affairs is in Iraq, America sacrificed 3000 of its sons and daughters in Iraq. That is no lollipop Mr. Seshan, let alone the billions of dollars being spent there.
RE:Americans think democracy is like giving a lollipop
by Saish on Jan 28, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
well, that obviously was a sacrifice Bush was willing to make (for his personal benefits, of course)
RE:RE:Americans think democracy is like giving a lollipop
by Nishan K on Jan 26, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
Over a million Africans got killed. So, what is your point?
RE:Americans think democracy is like giving a lollipop
by swarup laha on Jan 26, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
3000 is less than the 6,50,000 Iraqi civilians murdered after US invasion and also less than 5 million Iraqi children died due to lack of medicines during American sanctions. And billions of dollars spent for this attack is an investment by the American government to take control of the Iraqi oil fields.
