RE:u r A genius sir
by Gajanan Mohite on Mar 01, 2007 08:49 AM Permalink
I feel you are all missing the point about Kalam. He may have not done great science, but he is one of the finest ( the best till today) as a scientific manager in India. We Indians are good performers in science , but bad managers. Very few Indians have managed science in India well. Indians abroad perform well , but the managers, most of them are westerners. There may have been about 12 after independence who have managed science and technology so well in India. Sarabhai Dhawan, Bhabha, Swaminathan , Kurien ( if you could call him as a man of science) to name a few. I have talked to many people who have worked with Kalam in ISRO . Nobody speaks ill of Kalam. They always quote his great human acts of managerial acumen, which would spur all to work. An average Indian is very good in academics. He can rattle out many things from his mind , but to deliver technology ( not software , but also hardware) one has to give up arrogance, motivate, and above all be ready to sacrifice (which Kalam could as he was and is a bachelor). Look what he has done to the Presidents' office. You have to just go and see it or see the web site. No Indian President has been so active as he is. One great thing about him is that he is not negative when he talks. Doing science and managing science is not the same. If your are very good in science , then you will be good scientist. but it does not mean that, you can be a good manager of science India requires more scientific managers like Kalam , so that hardware ( body) and software ( mind) work in unison.
RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by Bala Krishnan on Mar 01, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
Who is this third rate person who is writing in the name of Sonia Gandhi. I think he/she is some pakistani trying to degrade our president nation. Arent you ashamed to comment some nonsense based on some pseudo name. First look into what you are doing before criticizing others. Ok . Sonia Madam
RE:RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by Raja Vel on Mar 01, 2007 09:24 AM Permalink
The person criticizing our kalam is a Lunatic, fit and fit for nothing guy. Get out from India, you HELL.
RE:RE:RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by on Mar 02, 2007 10:22 AM Permalink
Ok Sonia, did you ever go through Kalam's "Wings of Fire" or "India Vision 2020". Forget reading, if you have ever had a glimpse of either of these books, you would have got the answer to your question. A mere search on the Internet won't give you the complete picture. Arguing just for the sake doesn't make sense, does it?
RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by Sreekanth Nemani on Mar 01, 2007 09:15 AM Permalink
Our missile technology is good (maybe not top-rated yet, but no one in the world is going to sell you Agni range of missiles just like that). We can indegenously develop missiles to strike all our enemies and that is because of kalam.
DRDO had failed in its initial attempts at developing guided missiles and then they brought in kalam. He made it a success. What people fail to understand is he is not a 'scientist' in the popular sense, he is a technology manager, and he used his experience to form a team that could achieve the goal.... That in a place like DRDO. That is his achievement.
RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by Krishna Mandava on Mar 01, 2007 07:12 AM Permalink
Can you name one President other than Abdul Kalam, who made a worthwhile contribution in any area? I'll give you an easy way out. Look for President's who were not from political backgrounds. We have very few people in public life today, who have a vision. Everything starts there.
RE:RE:RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by on Mar 01, 2007 07:58 AM Permalink
Hello Sonia.. His achievements are RCI in hyderabed, Indian Nuclear Program, DRDO, ISRO.. He is the ideal muslim..who indiansed himself and admires the greatness of hindu civilization. Even when he was a kid(i mean even before he was a celebrity), his family are well respected in rameshwaram cos of there true secular attitude. Can you tell me any other muslim who follows islam and still sing and listen GITA and Carnatic music? Apart from this..he was the key behind India's missile and space programmes. He directly worked under Sri.Satish Dhawan, the Pioneer of ISRO. He is an ideal man and ideal leader. Please get yourself a copy of "Ignited Minds" and read it. I bet your attitude towards our country changes..in a very good way. He discusses the problems and he gives the possible solutions like a teacher. One more thing.. Just compare him as anucler scientist with AQ Khan of Pakistan..see what world thinks of him.. I am not saying he is great because he didnt proliferate..but look how sincere and dedicated he is ..
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by Sonia Gandhi on Mar 01, 2007 08:07 AM Permalink
that type of info I was looking for. Thanks a lot.
He just worked and (may be improved) ISRO/DRDO, he did not found those organizations. In any case, DRDO/ISRO has not achieved anything extraordinary. They are just as good as IRCON, BHEL, C-DOT and BEL and other govt or public companies.
I did a quick-search on patent database and did not find many patents in name of ISRO/DRDO or in the name of APJ.
Secular is not something very rare in india. Millions of Hindus go to Ajmer, Nijamuddin and Salim-Chisti's shrines every year. Following a different religion is not unusual in India, Yes I agree that for Muslims, it is.
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by bijoy on Mar 01, 2007 08:57 AM Permalink
Contribution of a person to ISRO/DRDO should not be counted on the basis of the patents. More than that you need very good leadership skills to motivate people and guide the workforce in the right direction. Above all you should know technical knowledge to guide others in areas like launch vehicle design and its implementation. Somebody may be extremenly talented than kalam, but may not be focussed and dedicated. Kalam has led a team in ISRO for its successful launch of SLV. Most of the youngsters who work in software industry things it is not as complicated as their s/w systems. The point to be noted is in missile/launch vehicle systems you cannot restart your computer as and when you wanted and systems has to operate at higher temparature without fail. The algorithms used may not be complex as in other areas, but the systems and the process to be followed to achieve the quality to be used in defence/space is very high. And remember the material science behind the rocket, the aerodynamics, the chemical science, and above all mechanical parts, engines all need to work together and you cannot expect one person to be good in all. And decades back india does not have computer s/w, systems to run the simulations and test the air-worthiness of rocket/slv. You have to go back to the olden days work environment and see their achievements. Now a days in a software company people start cribbing for each and every thing ?. But in a govt agencies with limited facility motivating people to work for a mission is a huge task. Kalam was the brain behind the formation of a number of DRDO organizations. But i agree in some aspects that DRDO as of now is not having any quality leaders. Most of them are greedy and selfish people. And politics is the evident every where. I left DRDO because of these reasons. I worked for LRDE and it is one of the best lab under DRDO, but lots of internal politics destroyed it. The directors also play politics then how can you expect it to grow.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by Manohar on Mar 01, 2007 08:50 AM Permalink
first thing..RCI was founded by him and its very good. You just cant say ISRO and DRDO has not achieved any thing extraordinary..Look at any other third world countries..who has better space programs and missile technology? Just google for top space programs..you find India among top. We have to be proud of these institutions for there achievements in limited resources. I totally accept the other institutions are equally good. But the world watches ur Defense and space programms. That creates shivers in ur enemy's spine. Thats the face of India's defence. Mr. Gurumurthy once quoted " This is a world of rouges. India is noble country. Nobility is respected only when it is powerful." Iam quoting this beacuse ..world dont respect you when you dont have power to defend. The Nuclear techonlogy gives us the strength. But again we are noble eneough to say that We dont bomb other first. And about patents..I too havent seen any patents on his name. But he was working for govt of India as the director or whatever. I guess he had more important things to deal with...But we all know what he is capable of.
Finally if you say what are his achievements apart from visions..he made sure that the seeds he planted are taken care of..i mean..he made sure those organisations work effectively even when he is not present at those organisations..
I hope you got some of ur answers. All I can tell you is if you into reading books..get that book..
I really appreciate your query cos..it gave me a chance to put forth these things..
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by Joseph Raj on Mar 01, 2007 08:55 AM Permalink
Dear Moderators,
The person who writes in the name of Sonaia Gandhi should be banned here.
People who can't write messages in their own name are not eligible to write anything about the Prsident of this country.
If his posts are not deleted. I will go to the extreme and file a case against rediff.com
Why don't you make the posts here take their original name from their email accounts. In anyways you are asking people to login before they post why don't you post their original name here.
This is very irritating in all the message boards all over rediff.
People like this guy just create anonymous names and play around with genuine people here.
Do something on this or else just shut this message board.
RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by on Mar 01, 2007 05:31 AM Permalink
I dont care whoever you are. Tell me what the hell you a normal civilian did for the nation. Public ko khud to kuch karna nahi hai, aur koi kar raha use criticise karna hai. Its people like you who is bring the nation down.
RE:RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by Sonia Gandhi on Mar 01, 2007 07:15 AM Permalink
I found one artilcle on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APJ_Abdul_Kalam
It is informative but does not specify what APJ achieved which is significantly different from those of other employees of ISRO/DRDO?
This article give credit of nuclear test to APJ, but as far as I know India already had tested nuke in early 70s.
RE:RE:RE:u r A genius sir
by Sonia Gandhi on Mar 01, 2007 07:03 AM Permalink
I just asked a simple question. Please answer if you can? I tried to search on Internet to find out what extra ordinary deeds he did?
If you don't want to describe in detail, please provide a weblink where all his great contributions are listed.
Please don't treat me like as if I am trying to undermine his capabilities. My concerns are innocent and genuine.
