Do Indian have value for their live? Just think about!! I am not asking you all to compare this with other grown up countries. But what is our value in our society? We are facing such incidents atleast once in a month; losing atleast 100 people (the figure may be less) in such incidents. But what is our reaction to this? Leaders immediately condemns this as an act of ISI; Opposition leaders blames this as the non-efficiency of the ruling government. Media(s) got some hot news so that their pockets became bulky. Any leaders or opposition party or the so called Media is talking about this incident after a few days? Definitely not!! Because the people who are died in those incidents are not their kiths & Kins. Do you think that the noise of the commen men here and there will make any impact on solving this problem? India is not a small country! It has the second largest population in the world. Unless the ruling government or the big political parties or the Media is not taking steps in finding a solution for these taunting issues it is definitely a unstoppable incidents in our India. Let us value our lives.
RE:Problem lies with us COWARDLY Hindus.
by bharathi raja on Feb 19, 2007 08:26 PM Permalink
Prashantji, I completely agree with u. And proud of you. Jai hind.
RE:Problem lies with us COWARDLY Hindus.
by Rahul Khanna on Feb 19, 2007 08:49 PM Permalink
I am really sad and diappinted all time to hear this kind of incidents. Sad because this is aginest huminity and diappointed because it happen again and again all over. I would like to say why we guys keep blaming on Hindu or muslim or any one else. why we dont blame on people who are anti social elements and those who play there politics on back of these people. I am sure in either cast or country people are similar and hold huminity..... there are only few who don't want peace and are so mean that for politics of votes and power they do such activities. They are responsible for all these events. And I feel that there is a chain for this thing. From top notch politician upto people who take parts activily in these kind of activities. I request to all people to come together and fight with these anti social elements ... be a human first. Lets make this orld beautiful.
RE:RE:Problem lies with us COWARDLY Hindus.
by Sangeeta Prakash on Feb 19, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
Also, We should have better espionage and spies mechanism to deal with this. instead of fighting over UP Govt, may PM and his cabinet talk over issues where innocent countrymen are died for nothing, else people of India will throw away this govt which can't deal with security.
one side its inflation and other side its our security system which is killing our people(be it hindu or muslim or sikh or....n religions).
Increasing GDP doesn't mean that we're really developing. we I guess would remain developing country forever as long as poilticians are developing.
Lets pass a bill in parliament and give them one year tax collection directly to their bank accounts so that next year we can place the money in more constructive work.
RE:RE:Problem lies with us COWARDLY Hindus.
by Sangeeta Prakash on Feb 19, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
You are very much true Rahul that creating such a community would solve this issue. I can understand the we all are hurt some are more and some are less, after all we lost many of our fellow countrymen.
The idea of being human stays till the individual we can't force people to do human activities. but theoritically as a most intellactual race on earth we are supposed to be living in peace. sadly few of us really understand humanity and few of us wants to kill all india-pakistan population because of this.
population on either side of barbed wire is same they all live similar. pakistan himself is facing the similar extremistic movements inside it. also in today's blast, most of the casualties belong to pak.
the cause to this can be low education rate in pakistan and whatever they teach at primary level it happens in madarsaas. these madarsaas are run by religious groups.
If we are going to make a bet with pakistan we should pin-point the generation of these jihadis is from primary education level. However, I also agree that we can't control somebody elses world.
RE:Problem lies with us COWARDLY Hindus.
by Rajeev Khare on Feb 19, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
I fully subscribe to your view that hindus are cowardice. They do not hesitate to take help from enemies to defeat our own people without realizing that those taking help will be the next targets and subsequently become increasingly weaker. If hidus were aggressive, our country would have been much larger and stronger with large hindu majority (probably a hindu nation). The invadors / terrorists would have been afraid of us if we were pro-active and not passive onlookers behind the week curtain of secularism. Muslims in India were all hindus and hence they are considered lesser human beings by other muslims of the world. They have no regard for their motherland and do not hesitate to show solidarity with them at the cost of our own people. I wish the pseudo- secularists lose some of their near and dear ones in these blasts and then they will also become communals.
RE:Problem lies with us COWARDLY Hindus.
by Sangeeta Prakash on Feb 19, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
Don't be too aggressive dear friend ? If you have any solutions to this situation bring it up. remember " akela chana bhaar nahin phor sakta". if you want to come over pakistan army and ISI, it wouldn't be possible without indian muslims. As a country we should be united.
also before using cut and paste to all posts, remember hindus preach vasudhaiv kutumbkam and a loss like this is loss to all of us. so stop making it a personal hindu matter.
And please don't forget post-war Iraq when a war was started to crumble terrorism.
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by Prem Kumar on Feb 19, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
Well Said Sangeetha. There are only two classes of men - Good & Bad; Human & Terrorist, not Hindu or Muslim. Terrorist has no religion - he is just out to kill humanity - they were from both Muslim & hindu by birth.
Let us not paint religion for every act. People died in this incident are Muslims too, I mean Indians.
Let's stand united and fight against Terrorists, not among ourselves. Bhagat Singh called for Unity among Hindus & Muslims to fight British - now it is the same situation but enemy is different.
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by Rahul Khanna on Feb 19, 2007 08:55 PM Permalink
exactly Sangeeta thats really true.... you know it looks writing on net and keep blameing on any one. yes I have a solution for yr question. Lets come together make a community and grow that community with our eforts which should have a dignity all over world. I am sure if we ppl become unite we can change this world.
its enough of friendly relations with Pakistan. Now we should wage a full fledge war against Terrorism and should attack Pakistan who is allowing terrorist organisations from its soil.
RE:enough is enough
by Sunil Shetty on Feb 19, 2007 08:11 PM Permalink
I am not a huge fan of Ganhiji but what you write brings to mind what he once said. If your policy is an eye for an eye then the whole world would go blind. I dont think we need to go back to the age of the caveman. We need to use our brains and our clout and get the UN and other agencies to see our point. These days with the right moves you can choke an entire nation without firing a single bullet. We need good people to lobby our cause. By all this I dont mean to say that we go around showing ourselves as a weak nation. I say we need to be better diplomatically with the other powerful nations. But alas when shall our politicians concentrate on that , they have more important work of pulling down their opposition parties.
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by Pide Piper on Feb 20, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
If the whole world goes blind, then so be it! Its far better than "ONLY WE" going blind. What do you expect us do to? Keep chanting the useless mantra of 'Secularism' and bear the entire brunt of this menace ourselves?
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by siddharth kacker on Feb 19, 2007 08:13 PM Permalink
hey buddy! I am a Hindu but I don't agree with you. I do'nt know whether you converted to Hinduism because you wanted to marry your beloved or because you din't like Islam but I feel that all religions have there base on good practices however these become redundant with time. Instead of blaming a religion lets find out the root cause of terrorism be it (pakistan or our policies)and solve it for once and all.
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by prashant sharma on Feb 19, 2007 08:23 PM Permalink
Hi siddharth, It would have been great if someone from your family was on the train. Then I would have loved to hear you speak of peace! You bloody armchair peace talker coward! It is because of spineless hindus like you that the country is in such a state. Dont worry a bomb is waiting somewhere for you and your family also. But you plse keep on doing the great job of being a spineless coward!
RE:WE ARE HINDUS
by prashant sharma on Feb 19, 2007 07:58 PM Permalink
hats off to this guy man! Join the club all sensible muslims. All your ancestors were converted by sword guys! come back. just think about what pain they would have gone thru at the time of conversion!
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by anita r on Feb 19, 2007 09:54 PM Permalink
Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasreen do not practice Islam because they are atheists and not because as you claim they see 'the logic' as you do. There is no 'logic' in abandoning one religion for another. If you are such a believer in logic and reasoning you should also be an atheist. Do not pretend to be all enlightened when all you have done is exchanged one set of chains for another.
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by tariq Sherwani on Feb 19, 2007 08:07 PM Permalink
And what your fore fathers did at that time when sword game was going ON? Didi they ran to jungle or just gone underground. If it is true how come INDIA has a population of 60 crore HINDUS. Well correct your knowledge and keep studying good history books written by some genuine sources and dont believe and pass these chando khana news with out sense. You need to improve your sense in HISTORY . WORK HARD MAN before you speak.... And as far as club is concerned You join the other club whic is the best way to spend life. Most logical and genuine.
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by praveen kumar on Feb 19, 2007 08:31 PM Permalink
go and learn real history ..dont learn ur mullah madrassh hostory ...entire india knows abt how u got converted to islam .... and we dont change gods like shirts as u do ....
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by rinu sharma on Feb 19, 2007 08:17 PM Permalink
Hi TARIQ,
Not only my forefathers, but yours too!! It seems that mine were far braver than yours beacuse I am still a Hindu but you a deplorable follower of Islam. So dont curse me, curse YOUR cowardly ancestors who converted.
RE:WE ARE HINDUS
by tariq Sherwani on Feb 19, 2007 08:03 PM Permalink
YOU ARE a rare case which I have heard only second time in my life span. Still you have time to think and re think your decision. You must have some confussion with ISLAM. As far as ISLAM is concerned what I believe is most logical of all the religions and thats why more and more people are joining the right path. You must re think your decision and come back to ISLAM. Its a friendly advice.
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by RAV on Feb 19, 2007 08:06 PM Permalink
oh yeah ... "joining the right path" or in other words taking guns in the hands and attacking Hindus is what you consider right path?
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by praveen kumar on Feb 19, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
tariq, how pathetic ???do all these abramic semic relgious people ahve a imperative itching feeling to proseltyze others to convert to their relgion ???? do u know the real purpose of relgion ??? that is to put ur spul into complete peace ... look at u --are u afraid that ur islamic ideologiees are weak ??? only a weak person in order to hide his in competency will keep flauting abt his things .... Hinduism is the mother of all relgions -its a divine relgion ...learn hinduism ---
RE:WE ARE HINDUS
by Kiran Rapaka on Feb 19, 2007 08:05 PM Permalink
Conversion to a different religion is just like catching a new bus to the destinated journey towards GOD. I am a Hindu but I do believe that Islam as a religion needs to be respected for what it preaches. It is only some religious fanatics who distort the Islamic scriptures to their benefit and misguide the masses. Terrorists are none other than misguided souls in the hands of these religious fanatics. Infact these fanatics do not understand their own religion to the core.
RE:WE ARE HINDUS
by Rajeev Khare on Feb 19, 2007 08:45 PM Permalink
You are absolutely right. There were no muslims in India when we were a glorious country but we were divided. Hindus are divided even today. They have learned no lesson from their past. Muslims of Pakistan, Bangladesh and India must convert to Hiduism and become rational persons. Islam is very sinister and teaches evil. Even Jinnah's grandfather was a hindu. But Jinnah's could not see to reason as he had converted to Islam. Prophet was a monster and he used sword to convert people to his faith. Islam has bad teachings and hence people get attracted to it. It must be banned the world over, first of all in the Islamic countries.
These are statements which can be expected. Honourable Ministers Arjun Singh and Abdul Rahman Antulay have ample evidence that the blast was the handiwork of Sangh Parivar.
Honourable Minister Laloo Prasad Yadav feels sincerely that the blast was due to a stove blast.
RE:Statements from some Honourable ministers
by sanjeet kaila on Feb 19, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
...i agree with Vishvaksneh......he has brought out the poverty of reasoning, logic, common sense in such "secular" politicians...... their statements are actually assault on our intelligence....
RE:Statements from some Honourable ministers
by Rajeev Khare on Feb 19, 2007 09:03 PM Permalink
I sincerely hope to God that they wake up one fine morning to learn of the misfortune of their near and dear ones who perish in terrorist attacks. Then only these people will reform. But it may not happen as these people are very likely to have prior knowledge of such attacks. That is why they do not suffer like ordinary citizens.
RE:Statements from some Honourable ministers
by jeet on Feb 19, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
Mullah Arjun, Antulay ,Laloo shoiuld be paraded nude on streets and their genital hairs should be burned with petrol and diesel.
As usual islamic terrorism has struck again and there is no political will in INDIA to handle it with firm hand. Thank god we have leader like Bush who has succcessfully created a rift between shias and sunnies. Let them kill each other. That is the only solution for this blood thirsty Islamic terrorists. No matter how the world views it, the hidden agenda of Americans is successful. No wonder they are super power in the world. Thank you America, Keep it up. If you don't do it & not sure who would do it for the rest of the mankind. Without you, these mosters will take us back to the stone age.
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by MMMMMMMMM on Feb 19, 2007 08:09 PM Permalink
yes yes they come to INDIA next, because two Democratic countries needs to fight. So that they can spread more freedom and more democracy? Stop getting paranoid about U.S.A. or listening to your favorite communist or socialist dictator lies.
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by Mohammed Nasir on Feb 19, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
Dear Durga, some of the answers given to you are right. Why in the world will the Americans come to India. They went to Kuwait and Iraq because they have oil. What do we have here? Unemployment? Castism? And yes they divided Shia's and Sunni's in Iraq to fight each other BUT they don't need to come to India to divide us WE ARE ALREADY DIVIDED! Be it the Sangh Parivar or Some Muslim Moulvi they are the active working hands of Mr. Bush, he already has his slaves working for him so he does not need to interfere here. Because we have nothing to give him.
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by prashant sharma on Feb 19, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
Get some pschiatric help durga! are you on drugs? At least respect your name. and/or are you having an affair with a muslim? if yes, the dont insult your parents.
RE:Thank God we have Americans on this earth.
by ASHRAF NATHER on Feb 19, 2007 08:34 PM Permalink
Dear Oscar,
My name is ashraf, i am a muslism, i love my country (india). I would like ask one question, can u able to tell me. who create osama bin laden, if you don't know, i will tell, the same american. Russia was superpower, america wants to become superpower, the american use osama to attack russia throug afghanistan, after that only america becomes superpower, without knowing history or any thing, pls don't type anything. pls try to understand. i know that pakistan are sending terrorist to india to create communal harmony, but i want to know, without the support of indian, this terrorist cannot plan anything.
pls dont blame muslims, terrorist they dont have any religion. islam never say to kill innocent people.
RE:RE:Thank God we have Americans on this earth.
by John Fernandes on Feb 19, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
then why did ghauri ghazni aurangzeb taimurlang and so many muslim kings kill many innocents? oh i forgot according to islam kuffars are not innocent
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by jeet on Feb 19, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
my dear ashraf, Thanks for your cool. I accept what u say. American are bastard. No problem , they are not our fathers. But one thing - where were u when M.F. Hussein painted Indian gods Nude.? Where were u when Kashmirs pundits were thrown out and their women were raped? Where were, u when the The highest body of India-Parliament was attacked? Where were u when Palne was hijacked and Moh. Afzal was exchanged for innocent people , Disd u ever come out on the streets and voiced with us for the above incidents. I know that u don't have reply .cause u were laughing all the way with mullah and making fun on our patience. don't forget when loin while killing the deer get resistance and some time gets injured by a very peace loving animal. so join us and be a part of mainstream of this gr8 country.
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by praveen kumar on Feb 19, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
ashraf, sing "VANDE MATRAM " first ..let us then talk abt amerika,russia and iraq ..will u ???
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by Counter View on Feb 19, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
hey praveen you can not force someone to sing what-ever you feel like.
It's all about personal freedom, and self respect.
I don't know how many of us love our parents(who probably should be equal to the mother-india), A fine example of it we claim we are the young population, but no one tells the truth that we dump our older to pathetic conditions and feels regreted on that.
Ohh what a lovely Young population of india.
Based on these statement,
I think no one has any right to force/request others to sing your National Song.
RE:Thank God we have Americans on this earth.
by rebel on Feb 19, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
Your knowledge on world affairs is pathetic and so is your attitude towards dealing with problems. You should do some reading up about american policy and then hopefully you will stop making such silly comments.
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by Neeraj Kumar on Feb 19, 2007 07:59 PM Permalink
You say we are secular and not blame minority community. You idiot foolish hindu indians forget that these minority are the same who do bomb blasts, took away half of our country by breaking India, and killing kasmiris to break it also. Until you puniosh them with iron hand, it will continue, and one day you will be left with tiny India, then you will fuk off.
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by Mohammed Nasir on Feb 19, 2007 08:25 PM Permalink
Before you condemn Muslims and Muslim countries you should realize that no community and no culture is as tolerant as the muslims. Look at the Indian expatriates who work in Dubai. 60% of them are Indians and mostly following Hinduism. Though UAE is an Arab (Muslim) country Indians are cherishing there. Look at Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman everywhere you see Indians earning their daily bread. If These Countries are to become untolerable and send back the expatriates than imagine the state of the so called sangh parivar and do you think Mr. Bush will invite all those indians to come and Work in America? And it is a low grade language of those who call Muslims as terrorists and they themselves say that they are happy that one muslim kills the other - What type of education has this guy got. Sure he is an illiterate in the real sense of illeteracy. I pity such people and people who support them. It is a shame that in the land of Gandhi, Nehru, Rabindranath Tagore and many more lieterate saints live people like these who like to see one human kill another. Shame on you and your thoughts...
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by Suman Bhat on Feb 19, 2007 08:33 PM Permalink
whole world knew pakistani army / isi is linked with al quaida, taliban and other terrorists group. rain is used to smuggle RDX, arms UPA is a disaster as far as saving the nation from terrorists POK has terrorists training camps and United jihaid council. blast is handi work of jihadi terorists only and they have full support of communal conrgess and mafia communists. who is killing mulsim bros and sis in pakisnta, bangadesh, palestine, iraq, somalia and jiahdi terror bombing in bali, egypt, jordon, saudi, iran russia etc,,,, Don't blame hindus and don't create the wrong information about hindu orgs. whcih community helping paki terrorists in JK and all over india?
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by John Fernandes on Feb 19, 2007 10:20 PM Permalink
very factthat bangladeshis who broke up the nation for their own islamic state are now running away to india proves islamic states are failures
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by jeet on Feb 19, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
We don't give respect at all to the name u have mentioned above. They are the rootcause of the problem.
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by rajesh bhaskar on Feb 20, 2007 12:47 AM Permalink
who is gandhi , nehru and rabindra. all are hindus man. where is such scholars in islam who preaches peace and stand up against islamic fantics. sauri arabia, dubai and such land gives jobs to hindus as not because of love man. they need an employee and they don't have man power to construct. it is invested by muslims and constructed by others man. in those countries hindus or christian are not treated equal. they can't build temples, or churches man. america/india feeds to atlest many million muslims also. you can practise islam the way you like in these countries and europian countries, but will a hindu or christian be able to do that in any of islamic countries. islam is religion of peace in what way. sunni killing shias, shia killing kurds. where is all budhist temple in afghan .where is all hindus in pak and bangladesh. do you think they just attracted satanic versus as per rushdie. most of the muslims are poor and they just mass produce kids that is how islam grows and muslim fanatism grows. no educated hindu or christian not ready to blow up man ... why shame on your religion who can't even produce a saint. RSS born just less than 100 years ago before that also islamic fanatism was there. agree it man. see jesus he has 2.5 billion followers they don't throw up in streets. see jews they are very minority in world they don't throw up in streets. mohammed don't follow blindly what you are taught in some muslims fundmentalist schools. islam is shame to world religions if they can't control these fanatics and hope you will not be able to agree that paksithan mass production terrorist factory .
This demonstrate that how vulnerable are we. We can be hit anytime and are totally at mercy of terrorists. Congress government is not at all interested in tackling terrorism but attend meetings... Manmohan Singh has failed in protecting the citizens
We had seen Bombay bomb-blast last year and we are yet to catch the culprits and punish them. the similar thing had happened here too. And this can happen to anywhere anytime.
If govt was not woke up after Bombay bomb-blast, this is real high time to do this. get the review meetings done with the security measures taken up. if administration really wants to involve local NGOs or civilians in helping them most of us are all ready for this.
But later or sooner we have to answer this, are we safe in our own country ?
These cowards should be hanged on road untill death. I think these people are not socially educated or they might be victim of some releagious extremism. How can someone engage in such a cowardly act and take innocent peoples lives. I think indians specially muslims, should be more responsible and patriotic when they come across such terrorist group. There is no doubt that the terrorist groups are choosing indian muslims (uneducated)to do the attacks. Plss do rememeber ur family members before killing other innocent poeple.
RE:Terrorists have no religion/education
by Sangeeta Prakash on Feb 19, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
I don't really agree. I know few of Indian Muslims and when you see their patriotism its amazing. Its easy to blame my friend but don't forget in this train blast most of the pakistani nationals have be charred.
the question is not india pakistan here, the question is internal security in India ! Are we really safe with current govt or admin. are these guys lazy in finding suspicious people ?
these things can happen to anybody anytime. may be we require better espionage and spies center to catch these things.
this train was very vulnerable target and there were very low security measures on Old delhi railway station to stop this.
I 1000% agree that to your subject line but rather than spending enormous amount of money on bollywood actors ( in asiad games ) we could by a huge number of detectors on stations and can train our people in number of ways.
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by Sangeeta Prakash on Feb 19, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink
its matter of choice. I think all the people on train belong to my family. after all Hindutava is all about "vasudhaiv kutumbkam". Its you useless guys who increase the race of revenge. I know the issue wouldn't be solved fully at political level but neither the war is solution, see the Iraq today and they are loosing these many lives everyday by their own people. If you say somebody also bring up solutions. don't just start babbling?
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by Neeraj Kumar on Feb 19, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Sangeeta, Stop this support to muslims. If u r that fair, by God tell me one thing. what have u loveing cowards answer for Breakup of Inddia in Pakistan n Bangladesh. One day these muslims take kashmir, and then rest of India. and You and us will go to Hell. A DEMON can only be treated with MIGHT, This is what America is doing.Prashant is right...you go to kitchen and leave India to defend by us.
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by praveen kumar on Feb 19, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
sangeetha, if u love ur children,if u care abt their safety --support us ... these same muslims here in this forum who act like real patriots will one day will not fail to slit ur throat shouting allahu akbar ....wait for the day when they reach 33% of indian population --be happy to see the blood shed ..now go back to ur kitchen ...we will take care of india ....
RE:Terrorists have no religion/education
by Rajeev Khare on Feb 19, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
If only 20% of Indian muslims shared your opinion, terrorist attacks on our country would have become history. You only can lead muslims away from the clutch of our enemies. Please exhort indian muslims not to shelter traitors, pakistanis , Bangladeshis or other muslim terrorists. But expose them. This will endear them to all indians irrespective of their faith. This will banish the problem of religious divide.
