Nowhere in the world we find a stupid democracy like ours. Of the voting population (may be 70% of 1 billion Indians)about 35 to 50% vote and a party gets only 30 to 35% of the votes and that party rules at the centre or state or local bodies. So a ruling party in majority of the states are a small part of the opposition itself because more percentage of combined votes are agianst it and to cling on to the seat any type of statements/reforms/schemes are made without the will of the majority and that is why we have confusion all over the country. It is high time we have national referendum/state referendum for particular pathway and then each and every state or any ruling party should be made to follow that path and then there will be progress of the state/country. So within that frame work, all parties should work and under such circumstances if majority vote party fails then the next in that popular vote party should be given the task to carry out the action and UNDER SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES THERE WILL NO QUESTION OF BRINGING DOWN THE GOVERNMENTS BUT ALL STATE GOVERNMENTS WILL REMAIN FOR FIXED TENURE WITH NEW FACES IN THE MINISTRY BASED ON POPULAR VOTES. So we will be free from all types of statements and controversies of president's rule. THERE WILL BE ENOUGH TIME FOR PROGRESSIVE THINKING BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO BANDHS NOW AND THEN CAUSING TENSION TO LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. First of all we should have national/state referendum because fore running parties are getting (now and future too) only 30 to 35% of the 40 to 50% votes polled and what do you call it a democracy or a new term has to be used when a miniscule (15%to 20% vote)of the population (let it be any party) rules the majority and the decisions are taken against the majority of the people living in that state province or the whole country as such when it is at the centre. The problem starts here and thus the progress of the country is hampered and street fights are common.
RE:Ups and downs of Indian Democracy
by biz Narayan on Feb 19, 2007 07:31 AM Permalink
Those who think that ours is stupid democracy have to rethink.... what would have happened to secularism if we didn;t have this democracy word to bit up our country men ? Had secularism survived but for our democratic and all such good intentions of creating Lalu Yadavas....
ANother democratic talk by Rajendra... I should be scary... what the secular progressives think now... true style musharaf democracy was almost nodded by the mafia....some hadf praised him.
RE:RE:Ups and downs of Indian Democracy
by Rajendra Nayak on Feb 19, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
I still feel that what is required is not done and every minority (by votes)is imposing something against the majority (the votes against)and that is why we should have a referendum as to what are the policies and then amend the constitution and no party (coalition with 10% of votes also) should do what it wants to do beyond the frame work. All of us have come only once on this planet and the life of people should not be considerd like that of an animal. The state/country should protect the life and property of a begger too and bring about proSperity of the Indians. IF THIS IS ACHIEVED THEN THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEM BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL HAVE NO TIME TO START VIOLENCE. Democracy doesnot mean stop the trains and vehicles, injure & kill some innocent people and then go on having committees and the verdict comes after decades or due to wrong policies abate the death of farmers by snatching their property. Making political speeches and tell the people to be Indian and buy Indian goods and support the outsiders of other countries to market the same products which are manufactured well in India and then talk of democracy appears to be stupidity of many leaders. That is what I want to repeat only a minority vote baggers do what they want which is a strange thing to a great nation like ours and let us deal with our country and not bring in other countries.But we have to improve our system from within and set an example to other democracies by following certain policies decided by referendum and whichever party sits on the chair at the centre/state/local bodies have to follow these policies.
RE:Mu la yam
by ARIANNE JOYCE on Feb 19, 2007 10:08 AM Permalink
mulayam governmet is not full majority government, unfortunately supported by opportunist leaders. in this same situation if congress government was, mulayam could have moved for the same way. mulayam is not mahatma? he is politician. in our country the politics is from choohe billy ka khel to gambling,you tell want kind of hard work mulayam government is doing. please examine the work of vasundhara governmetn in rajasthan, kerala government, and modi's government in gujrat. they are not only doing hard work but have self motivated. even jayalalita government is defeated in tamilnadu, but the state economy is heavily boasted.
How pathetic and shameless these politicians are! The CM of a state, some less than C-grade politician criticising his own country's Prime Minister in the public. And that giving some stupid comments about the foreign policy!! Chi chi.
RE:Mulayam Government
by biz Narayan on Feb 19, 2007 07:38 AM Permalink
More importantly this prime minister is anointed by the almighty Sonia Gandhi-jee...Mulayam by his act of criticism implies there is no value to the anointed destiny of jokers- That is 10 Janpath.
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by ARIANNE JOYCE on Feb 19, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
if any other leader today you have from any party which is loyal to his/her own concious. if mr. manmohan singh is listening to sonia ji what is wrong in this, this is how every prime-minister to co-ordiate with their party president. you are fogetting that congress government is supported by left & they are less but equally important for maintain the balance. Mr. Manmohan Singhs job is very tough, it is easy to work with mulaym & lalu ji, but very difficult to co-ordiate with leftist.
I have my full sympathies with Mulayam, he is from Cuba and the Americans want to topple his Government which has done so much work for the upliftment of Japan. We are not Indians we are Chinese and we the people of UP are from Japan which is supported at the centre from Russia and Sonia Gandhi is from Italy and the European Union is the other name for Karnataka.I am going to have my lunch in Australia and my dinner in Venezuela.We the People of Japan belong to this Globalized world where foreign hands are involved in toppling governments in Antarctica.I met a Martian who just arrived from Jupiter and he said the situation is same over there. Laloo Prasad Yadav is the Railway Minister of Canada which is in the remote corner of our solar system somewhere near Pluto. I have my full sympathies with Mulayam Singh Yadav.Afterall his initiative to curtail Global Warming on Saturn regards merit.
RE:Mulayam is from Cuba!!!!! The Americans are trying to topple his Government!!!
by Sivam Kumaran on Feb 19, 2007 01:04 AM Permalink
Nice analysis with different perspective. Laughing and can't stop it.
RE:Mulayam is from Cuba!!!!! The Americans are trying to topple his Government!!!
by srinivas on Feb 19, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
hilarious...u should translate in hindi and send it to mulayam
RE:Mulayam is from Cuba!!!!! The Americans are trying to topple his Government!!!
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Feb 19, 2007 01:23 AM Permalink
That was hilarious Akash... Mulayam Singh needs to read your message to go dumb...
RE:Mulayam is from Cuba!!!!! The Americans are trying to topple his Government!!!
by ARIANNE JOYCE on Feb 19, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
so mr. mulayam singh should say no to any foreign direct investment in his state. mr. bachchan (roles royes or 30 cars worth of karors) and anil ambani, amarsingh can generate enough for him
RE:Mulayam is from Cuba!!!!! The Americans are trying to topple his Government!!!
by Bhaskar Vaidya on Feb 19, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
Mr. Akash .,
What a dfantastic simily ! U need to be honoured as one of the latest BEECHIs. Simply one can't stop laughing.Keep this art alive. Please have sympathy as referred by U on MULAYAM.
RE:Mulayam is from Cuba!!!!! The Americans are trying to topple his Government!!!
by Setu Madhavan on Feb 19, 2007 12:03 AM Permalink
Akash, I enjoyed your message. However, must you keep re-posting it every 10 minutes?
RE:Mulayam is from Cuba!!!!! The Americans are trying to topple his Government!!!
by Vishwas Vinayak Murhekar on Feb 19, 2007 12:07 AM Permalink
Beautiful composition..... Cheers!!! Keep it up!!
RE:Mulayam is from Cuba!!!!! The Americans are trying to topple his Government!!!
by s kadam on Feb 19, 2007 07:16 AM Permalink
Keep up the good work n keep it flowin...I hope these politicians learn somethin outta dis..!!!
Mulayam is merely a reflection of the political culture of UP. Why target Mulayam? He has been elected by the people. Let the MLAs bring the government down - NOT the central government by imposing president's rule. This sets a dangerous precedent.
Instead of targetting governments run by other parties in states, central govt should demonstrate good governance by setting an example through its own functioning and that of other states run by its part(y/ies). Now if the Supreme court disqualified the BSP MLAs supporting Mulayam, the state assembly is the place to test if the government can win a vote of confidence. If it doesnt, it goes. If it does, it stays.
Manmohan Singh should avoid unnecessary political drama by requesting President to impose president's rule in UP. Given the upcoming elections in UP such a move will undoubtedly smack of political opportunism.
RE:Spare Mulayam - A people deserve the government they get
by felix nicholas on Feb 19, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
absolutely Mr Madhavan, Only way is to get rid of article 356. But will these politicians ever do that. Even DMK wants to go with the congress. Astonishing! would Mr President help save the situation?
Well, one foreign hand appears to be Sonia. Another should be the communists (origin - Germany, China, Russia) - but they are supporting him now - but that may result in his destruction. The last foreign hand is islam (origin - Arabia), whose bread he lives on - it is of course going to cause his destruction.
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by Sharath Shetty on Feb 19, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
Yes Yusuf You are Right But Can I Know one thing from You , Do People Support by Caste or by Development . And UP is one place which has been Supported by caste and Mulayam has only supported one caste and there by opposing the whole Secular Concept. The Problem is That we are Not Looking Forward of growth but still the Divide and Rule Policy.
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by AG on Feb 19, 2007 08:02 AM Permalink
Maulana Mulayam that is how he is addressed in UP. A "C" grade politician making "C" grade comments. How can a CM go about openly criticizing a PM? Most of these politicians are still following the British Doctrine of Divide and Rule. Divide based on cast/creed/sex. Where is the national agenda, who cares for growth? I will be happy if foreign forces topple his government and the Milli Jhuli Sarkar. May almighty save my country and have mercy on all of us.
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by bharat on Feb 19, 2007 08:13 AM Permalink
Mulayam is what he is today only because the Muslims have shamelessly accepted his dirty communal politics. He should be given the honorary title of "Maulana". - Maulana Mulayam Singh. Hindus are ashamed of having a person like him in their fold.
RE:foreign Hand
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Feb 19, 2007 01:28 AM Permalink
Nice analysis Venugopal... Mulayam's literacy goes so far that his message has to be decoded...
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by indianpatriot on Feb 19, 2007 08:50 AM Permalink
Akash ,brilliant analysis...Only if you culd have written in Paragraphs it would be easy to read..I am sorry as an indian if anyone has hurt u...It is the collective responsibility of the entire nation to make sure that every state progresses. If today UP is not progressing then it is a shame not just for UP but entire India.... When will our countrymen realize this?
RE:foreign Hand
by Akash on Feb 18, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
First of all, it's not I did not born in UP, it's I wasn't born in UP, so there is a serious grammatical error made by a non-UP person in the first place. Secondly it's not people from UP who blame everything other than one's own inability but certain individuals from all corners of the world who have this habit. I am from UP and am proud of the fact that I have been born and brought up in UP.Better learn to respect people from other states of the same country you belong to,afterall it is a quasi-federal structure and all states are considered equal, the same does not apply to the politicians in a democratic setup somehow. If you cannot respect your own countrymen, why should people from UP respect people from other states? fortunately I was born in UP and not to your native place.
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 19, 2007 12:50 AM Permalink
Akash, What exactly about UP makes you so proud? Could you also explain why UP and Bihar continue to be in the list of backward states of India (even though Rajasthan and MP - other members of the infamous BIMARU states - have been making great strides towards development lately)? UP is blessed with abundant fertile landmass (a big percentage of several agricultural produce of the nation comes from UP), hardy people (UP has more people than Pakistan. Only 5 countries - India included - have more people than the state of UP), rich culture and history, wonderful historic marvels (Taj Mahal is the most renowned building in the world yet more tourists visit DisneyLand in a day than visit Taj Mahal in a year!), minerals, livestock (almost 80% of the country's livestock)
I have met some very smart / enterprising / intelligent folks from UP and Bihar and will not tar them all with the same brush. However it does rankle that UP and Bihar are consistently at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to statewise breakdown of Human Deveopment Indices. The dismal performance of UP rankles even more because UP is so blessed by nature. So what gives?
Under ideal conditions, UP should undoubtedly be the powerhouse fueling India's growth in all spheres. It has tremendous political clout too - it has produced more MPs & PMs than any other state. Unfortunately given its unwieldly population and deplorable development figures it (along with Bihar) have become large millstones that weigh the collective progress of other states.
Viewed in isolation and compared with the development indices of countries of the world - UP would be at the very bottom of the list of nations - worse than sub-saharan Africa. Kerala, on the other hand, would be at the very top, going head to head with Western Europe.
I am not castigating the people of UP entirely for where UP is today, but something is seriously wrong with this picture. What exactly? Pervasive corruption? Any other suggestions, Akash? Further, what is the way out?
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by Akash on Feb 19, 2007 01:44 AM Permalink
Yes Setu Madhavan, I would be rather glad to respond to this question of yours. First of all if u look at the precedents that led to it's downfall,you will be able to put all the pieces of the puzzle together and get a better picture. United Provinces as Uttar Pradesh was called at the time of Independence was considered amongst the best states- second in ranking from the top in India. The Problem started much later when most of the taxpayers money from UP started flowing to other states. UP has given several Prime Ministers to India- the entire Nehru Family and Atal Behari Vajpayee being the most prominent of those so it's not just about Mulayam and Mayawati; when these politicians pre-1990 were winning elections in UP, they used to disappear altogether only to show their faces in the next elections.The three biggest downslides in UP were the Emergency,Mandal and the Mandir episodes. This might raise quite a number of brows but even though all these episodes had a impact on India as a whole, they had a tremendous impact on UP in particular. With emergency came corruption, half of the bureaucrats started using public funds to gain political support in the most politically active state...this flowed down to other sectors and this was the time when licence raj was at its height. Still things were't that bad. Later came Mandal and even though it might or might not have had a positive effect on other parts of the country,it had an adverse impact in UP. It also led to the rise of Mulayam who uses OBC vote bank and Mayawati who uses SC/ST vote bank in this state, this was coupled by BJP which all of a sudden became a mouthpiece of hardcore upper caste politics and Congress found a new vote bank-Minorities and also the Intellectuals who were left few in number as many had fled the state and even the country as soon as the conditions started becoming dismal.Every party promised to protect a certain section of society turning it into a feudal system rather than a democratic setup. Then the Mandir issue, well the ones who came to do the job were not from UP, but Lord Ram was born here then they had to come, break Babri which led to massive riots and massive encampments of various sections of society. It is this state now in which casteism and communalism is at its worst, thanks to the politicals experiments of the big-wig politicians. The Vaccum was never filled. U have to choose between the Criminal and a Corrupt Minister which one do you choose? Well you choose the Corrupt one first so that he can extort money as bribes and can live on public funds, then u want to get rid of him/her but u have no option, so u vote for the Criminal.He then kills you and takes your house and all your money away. The Intellectuals have already left the state in dispair,many of them are in different states or even in different countries of the world.Investement doesn't take place here cause' who wants to mess with the Corrupt and the Criminals? So nothing on that side. Left are the still sane people from all classes and sections of society who want to leave this entire fiasco and lead a normal life which they can't over here so for them the only option is leave the state. If BJP or Congress wins the next elections, like always they wont do anything. The people of UP thought of new options, wanted new players who made big promises which happened to be a pack of lies, so for politicians and politics as a whole, this is just a landscape from where they enter big Politics at the centre, they don't need to do anything for this state, afterall no one else would do either.And when a guy from UP, might be a student, a labourer,a businessman or an intellectual wants to leave this feudal system then he is a Bhaiyya elsewhere only to be smashed up. It was our money that the politicians stole and invested elsewhere and when a person from UP or Bihar goes to these very places, kaboom. students from UP enter a Pune station, smashed up by Shiv Sainiks, labourers from Bihar working in Assam gunned down. and then u hear the great talk from people from the rest of the country about UP. How would it feel to others if I say that the British entered through Bengal and Madras because people over there(Mir Jaffer) were so corrupt they could'nt give up the idea of taking a few bribes by some foreign trading comany and sell their own country? At least people of Awadh fought, these people who abuse people from UP as Bhaiyyas and Behenjis might be knowing of Hazrat Mahal, if not Rani of Jhansi, Bundelkhand. might have heard of that. if not Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi,Rajiv Gandhi,Atal Behari Vajpayee-they might have heard these names. But then who cares? No one. One who is not from UP can talk big, one person once said why don't you stand in elections in the movie Yuva...come over here stand and get killed before elections take place or get killed after the elections so that bi-elections take place or better leave the state, be called a Bhaiyya and get smashed up elsewhere.So we are immigrants in our own country, for marathas,for tamils and for the rest. Immigration means when a person goes to another country, EU,US and all the immigration debate but in India, a person from a State of the Union of India is considered an immigrant if he goes to another state.And if he stays here, makes an honest living, a person comes with a gun in his hand and to hell with the living part.BUT I am still proud of my state cause' it is my home.
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by Setu Madhavan on Feb 19, 2007 02:35 AM Permalink
Akash, Thank you for the very honest and straightforward views. I agree with most of it (I thought AB Vajpayee is from Gwalior in MP - not that it has anything to do with the point under discussion).
I have known folks from UP and Bihar (that I met outside these states) to be exceedingly hard working and straightforward - simpletons even. I agree with you that the culture of corruption and criminalisation of politics plunges them into the vortex of hopelessness. I still believe that UP and Bihar can reclaim their pride of place in India and the world if the central government makes a conscious decision to create environment conducive to investment (giving tax rebates, declaring SEZs), clamp down on lawlessness along with a calibrated approach to growing these states (on the lines of 5 year plans) and making heavy central government investments on education and industry here.
As for being bullied and mistreated by countrymen elsewhere - that is unpardonable. Any Indian making an honset living elsewhere shouldnt be victimised. (In the 60s Shiv Sena had rioted against South Indians - 'Lungiwallas' as Bal Thackeray derided them - Keralites were Thackeray's biggest target then. "Bhaiyyas" are his target now. Strangely enough Thackeray seems to have developed a liking for (Hindu) Keralites and Tamilians lately! "They are our boys" he once said referring to LTTE Tamil tigers of Srilanka. Politicians stoke regional passions as it suits them.)
I hope the people of UP and Bihar can turn things around, much like Singapore turned itself around from an underdeveloped wasteland to what it is today - all in a matter of few decades. The nation can not progress after ignoring UP and Bihar.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:foreign Hand
by Chaloo Prasad Yadav on Feb 19, 2007 07:55 AM Permalink
What thakerey did wasnyt wrong either.....He had to stop ppl from claiming liocal jobs in banks ....Many ppl got jobs in mumbai just becpz their Boss was a north indian or south indian and had no other qualification .
The north indians were beaten up becoz they were giveing entrance exam meant for Mahafrashtra and gujarat candidates,who saly didnt go to Bihar to sit for exam...
accept it man....NO ONE LIKES MIGRATION AND NO ONE LIKES LOCAL JOBS TO GO TO MIGRANTS JUST BECOZ THEY HAVE A BOSS OF THEIR COMMUNITY
RE:RE:foreign Hand
by on Feb 19, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
i highly regard an apolitical view of this proudian UP like me. Reading the views here i felt there are some who went to take this an opportunity to go sluggish, making it personalised and so biased. There is nothing wrong in statement in itself by sensing it frm the perspective it was made, specially if u being habitual to UP pols, though it looked like in first instance, a catch of headline.
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by Murali Amara on Feb 19, 2007 01:42 AM Permalink
well alls not pathetic abt UP.. the kidnapping industry is flourishing thr. if the govt thr can leagalise it thn they can get those kidnappers under the income tax ambit. tht wud make UP alive n kickin in a year... UP wud thn be the new economic superpower in India.. people will neva dare to present kerala as an example thn.
n also the people thr are wise enuff to understand tht more kids = more earning whn they grow up.. even in this day n age its - hum do hamaare dozen.
am sorry if i offended anyone from UP. am really sorry to hav typed all this. but all my brothers from UP, i seriously believe tht UP n Bihar need to do a lot (i mean A LOT) of catching up to do to b considered on par with other struggling states like Orissa n WB. take one step at a time n reach the top. both the states are blessed with a very fertile land n loads of minerals, thn whts holding u back. dont blame the politicians. politicians are only as good as the people they are ruling. people get the leaders they deserve.
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by Chaloo Prasad Yadav on Feb 19, 2007 12:00 AM Permalink
Man...admit it UP and BIHAR are the worst states....All up biharis go toother states for jobs and u know...Ek Bhaiyya jaata hai or 40 logo ko gaon se bulata hai !!
And almost all of UP -biharis have fake degrees( BIharis protested against ban on copying) ,dont follow traffic rules, spit PAAN and make city dirty .....never stand in queues and jump queues almsot all the time...and ppl with corruption and lawlessness in their viens(Maybe not all up biharis...but most of them are typical)
No wonder Up biharis get beaten up in Mumbai,TN and South ..
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by Akash on Feb 19, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
yes Chaloo jee, but somehow half of the sugar u guys swallow comes from UP, u might not be knowing that and if Mumbai,TN and South have so much problems why shouldnt they join LTTE cardre's cause' they supported in the assasination of their own country's Prime Minister, they should join LTTE and go on the kill and find every guy from UP and kill them or else UP declares itself independent of India no one would have problem with that then? huh? U will get rid of Bhaiyyas, Bhaiyyas will be free from your nonsense? How about it? If the map of India does not have UP and Bihar how would you like it? we wont follow traffic rules here, we will copy and spit paan but at least you wouldn't have to associate with us. If u love the map of India then learn to respect the Bhaiyyas, the Bhaiyyas might have corruption in their veins but they are proud to be Indians including me and have no problems with those from Mumbai,TN or South and I heard statements like u just made time and again, it is our Awadhi tehzeeb , the Ganga-Jumni Tehzeeb which people like u lack.In fact it is people like u who say jai Maharashtra and Jai Bangal before JAI HIND but Bhaiyyas say JAI HIND only nothing added or subtracted to that
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by Sharath Shetty on Feb 19, 2007 01:54 AM Permalink
Hi Akash , No Body is blaming UP ok , And Let me Get it Right. Everybody wants a change in UP . Proper Political Process a System where no Corruption , Very Good development. And No politics in Colleges. And please Never Blame Mumbai ok , Let me tell you one thing Mumbai alone Gives 40 percent of the India's Income Tax Fund where in 30 Percent of the Company is Spent by UP . Tell me where is Our money Gone
though we keep complaining about our politicians how many of us do you think are voting we should do small things which are possible from our side (at least voting)
