I don't know much about history, but most of the books i raid says that Aurangzeb was cruel king and he destroyed many tamples and converted so many hindus to muslims. you might have heard this quote " Mar Mar kar musalman banana" i think this quote came from Auranzeb's time. I think Islam is peace loving relegion but some of mullah has instigated muslims by telling them that Islam is in danger and made them franatic. I appeal all Muslim brothers that their is no Danger to Islam. No body can destroy Islam. I also appeal My muslim brothers and brothers of all relegions that let's say All Relegion are good. Love you all.Thanks
RE:Let's say All relegions are good
by rajiv mahajan on Feb 16, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
Had Islam been a peaceful religion, all the muslim countries wouldnot have been in turmoil. Any religion in which an innocent lamb is bled to death in front of kids, has to be monsterous and can never be blessed by God. So here is the question of peace in Islam ?
RE:RE:Let's say All relegions are good
by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
Mr. Mahajan, What about of innocent lamb bled to death in front of kids in Kali Temple
RE:Let's say All relegions are good
by bharat on Feb 16, 2007 04:59 PM Permalink
Is there any trouble spot in the world where Muslims are not involved? It will be impossible to prove that muslims are peace loving people.
RE:RE:Let's say All relegions are good
by Santa on Feb 16, 2007 05:17 PM Permalink
Sri Lanka, Nepal, North Korea, Vietnam, Columbia, Mexico, so on. And among the places where muslims are involved, they were dragged into conflict in most of them, if not all.
Dont worry brothers, this religion Hindu is going to be finished in very near future.Dont worry this country called Bharat,Hindustan or India is going to be divided for many more times.Thanks to our legendry politicals forefathers and the present stinking class of politicians and political parties,they have sold their ATMA,and can sell anything for the vote plolitics what to talk of religion or country. We the indians are to be blamed for this.We are of 'CHALTA HAI'attitude and have become so much focussed to greed and materialistic achievement that we have closed our eye from all others most important things. WHO NEVER FIGHTs FOR THEIR GENUINE RIGHTS ARE BOUND TO SUFFER,and hindu being so docile that they will be thrown out of this country very soon.Beaware another HINDU country NEPAL is being converted into a 'SECULAR COUNTRY'by no other than communists and the future of hindus of that country is up for grab by so called secularist. We request the INDIAN MUSLIMS to come out of this darkness and face the facts,AURANGJEB was niether sunni,nor sia nor even an muslim.Monster can't follow any religion. JAB TAK HINDU APNE DESH ME SAMAPT HO JAYE,AAIYE HUM GARV SE KAHE, HUM HAI HINDUSTANI,JO AAPNE HI RASTRA,APNE HI DHARMA KO KHA RAHE HAI.
Why to find the facts about AURANGJEB,when there are lots of aurangjeb are there in every street to finish the HINDU.DONT WORRY,WAIT TILL WE ARE FINISHED IN THIS COUNTRY LIKE KASMIRI PANDITS.The coming generations around the universe will learn about one of the most genious races of humankind by writings or painting exhibitions organised by some one like FRANCO GAUTIERS in near future. By the time we HINDU will go to archive it is wait for life time to be finished from this universe once for all. JAI HIND
RE:Aurangjeb
by vikas sharma on Feb 16, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
yes its a sin to say that I am proud to be a Hindu in this country, thanks to these politicians. but if I wear a namaz cap and talk about Islamic Rule and shariat- i will be hailed as a secularist and ideal Indian citizen. hope we could do something about it!!
RE:Aurangjeb
by ranjeet kumar sah on Feb 16, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
Dear friends, Hinduism cannot be finished easily as we are the oldest and 4th largest religion on Earth. We have a humble attitude of accepting/beleaving in others religion.
Hinduism can only be blamed for its decline. The caste system the untouchbility barring lower class in entering temples have only helped Buddhism, Jainism, Muslims & Chritianity to flroush in India. Otherwise the various missinories would't have dared to work here.
We are borne coward not for expressing our faith, we don't have unity among ourselves. I ask, how many of us read Bhagvad Gita regularly? Where as our brothers hardly fails to visit Mosque on fridays and attend prayer in Church on Sundays. We don't have a religious leader whome all Hindus accept and follow his words. The self made godman's are fighting themselves for their recognision and adding more troubles. The hard core leaders like VHP, Bajarand Dal, RSS & Shiv Sena are not organised and sofar are not able to address or appeal to the masses, they have loopholes in themselves.
The political parties are taking these as an advantage, the PM from socalled a Secular party advocates for first right use of Countries resources by Muslims. I don't understand how a PM can say these words.
I believe in myself, in Hinduism and equally respect the other religions. As long as we have these feelings our Hinduism will never disappear. I pray for its longlive.
RE:Aurangjeb
by bharat on Feb 16, 2007 04:53 PM Permalink
The congress party and leaders like Mulayam Singh are Aurangzebs of the recent time. They are out to finish Hinduism. They will even excel Aurangzeb at this task.
People wearing the mask of secularism are doing great injustice to the Hindus and in turn are taking the country to the doom. Its time to unmask these modern Aurangzebs and send them into exile.
Yes danger is there to hindus & infact very serious danger , but more danger from our so called Secular politicians than Christian Missionaries or Islamic Terrorism ( jehad ). But what should we do ?? Should we vote for BJP - RSS - ShivSena ? What good they have done for Hindus ( for eg. Kashmiri Pandits ) during their rule ?? They also exploited us like Congress , SP or CPI, CPI-M. What's difference ? What should we do ? By the way, Muslims are also feeling danger ( from America ) & Christians also feeling danger from Islamic Terrorism ( Jehad ). Infact all Humanity is sensing danger of The END. Dont worry, only some years of KALYUG are left & then whole earth will submerge in the water ( Hope you believe in SAMAY-CHAKRA). So dont worry & ENJOY till then.
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by Mayank Agarwal on Feb 16, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
I dont agree with you all guys !! There is no power in this world which can extinct hinduism and same applies to muslims and other religion. Dont worry we will fight and coexist.
RE:RE:RE:Aurangjeb
by Mayank Agarwal on Feb 16, 2007 07:14 PM Permalink
To add to it, this is the very basis of being a human being. Greed is 90 % constituent of our nature, rest that I am Correct & you are wrong. Anyways I suppose God created this religion funda to keep check on population and to see who can look beyond this MAYA.
All marxist historians, sorry, history sheeters have doubtful parentage, again sorry, confirmed parenthood - they were all offsprings of muslims and so have a vested interest in making a saint out of a monster.
RE:Aurangzeb and Marxist history sheeters
by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 06:09 PM Permalink
where were the other historian when this was happening, where they were sleeping like "Kumbkaran" and had just waken up
I just want to understand what the author wants to project by this article. I see no point in arguing about some wretched emperor who ruled India some 400-500 years ago. He probably did some bad things. It doesn't mean that 1) All the Muslims at that time were with him or 2) All the Hindus today need to seek revenge for what he did.
This article is trying to add fuel to the already existing tensions between the two communities. Please stop this and let us behave like mature individuals.
RE:What's the point?
by aditi sengupta on Feb 16, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
You want to bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and not know the truth. Trouble is, not knowing the truth is not going to save you or me from the fanatics.
Do you seriously live in this world and believe that there can be a possible peaceful coexistence with muslims of this world. Can you point me to any living example where muslims are in the majority and the rights of the minority are freely and fairly respected?
It is not about adding fuel to fire. This is about your awakening and millions of indians like you needing to know that you have been brainwashed by communist text books that you read in school.
The Osama bin Laden brand of terrorism does not bother about rediff and neither do they care about any peaceful co-existence. Look at Kashmir. Here is how it works. Reach a threshold where you can be the majority and then just introduce the shariat law and then kill, maim, convert, rape or whatever it takes to drive the minority out. Kashmir is a live example for you. I did not hear your voice condemning the introduction of shariat in Kashmir. Why are you worrying about a factual lesson in history!!!!
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by krishna sumanth on Feb 16, 2007 05:02 PM Permalink
@ Aditi, And you want to look for opportunities (maybe even centuries old) to bury the faces of Muslims. lol:-)
RE:RE:RE:What's the point?
by aditi sengupta on Feb 16, 2007 05:34 PM Permalink
Are you laughing at me or yourself? Pity is that you seem to be celebrating your own demise. The facts stare you clearly in the face. There just is not any muslim majority country which allows other religions to coexist. It is an oxymoron.
Now the choice is that either you control their growth for your own survival or you let them grow to a majority which ultimately leads to your and my demise. I dont think there is any possible way given your thinking that we can lead to anywhere but your and my annihilation. That is why I asked in the first sentence why you were laughing!!
RE:RE:RE:RE:What's the point?
by krishna sumanth on Feb 19, 2007 12:34 AM Permalink
I just can't understand your attitude. Time and again you point fingers at all the muslims, when the issue is just about some wretched emperor who ruled the country some 500 years ago. You sound like a racist to me, when you say that you want to control the growth of Muslims in India. Please remember that the Muslim community in India has people like APJ Abdul Kalam, Shabana Azmi, ArRahman, etc. I don't see any justification is "controlling" people like them just because Aurangazed had demolished some temples a few hundred years ago. Also, I never mentioned that Muslims should be worshipped (like some "secular" forces) even if they commit crimes. BTW, i just felt like laughing at your ignorance. I see no point in discussing on this topis further, as i don't want to argue with a racist
RE:RE:What's the point?
by krishna sumanth on Feb 16, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
Yeah! Maybe you would have liked it if the reply was something like "Let's kill each other". BTW, can you tell me what the point the author is trying to make? Did you not read about Aurangazeb before?
RE:RE:What's the point?
by vivek jain on Feb 16, 2007 05:36 PM Permalink
u right typical secular attitude.y history then y maths or physics.u think people[scientists]who are slogging their back sides with the works of Leonardo Da Vinci,Aristotle etc...Your current constituition is a complilation of HISTORIC events through which what is wrong and what is right is determined. Nothing personal with you man but just wake up..
RE:RE:RE:What's the point?
by krishna sumanth on Feb 19, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
Thanks for the suggestion. BTW, let me know what you learnt from the article. What do you intend to do as a result of that. No human being alive now is any where close to taking responsibility for the evil done by Aurangazeb. It's past, that too a distant one.
I know HISTORY is important, but there's no point in repeating the same things (we all read about Aurangazeb in our textbooks, right). Please note that, I never mentioned that Muslims should be worshipped (like some "secular" forces) even if they commit crimes.
History are written by person.And person is after all peson wat he feels for other he write the same think - if he feels good write good - if not beneficial write bad.No man id good or bad they r all human - have good side and bad side.Nobody is perfect.
Since this is boiling down to whether muslims are tolerant or violent, here is a useful link on where it all started.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htm
I am not surprised with what is going on in the muslim world. Trouble is the hindus of this country are being brainwashed into believing that there is a peaceful solution and that we can co-exist. If you have any doubts as to your future, just look at Kashmir and you know what is gonna follow a few years from now.
I dont dispute the points made by the author on Aurangzeb but the author should use his current name than this effing French name. Btw, if u want to know I hate French....
I am really happy that there is someone to standup and speak facts. Politicians lack the backbone to accept truth. Excellent job Mr. Francois Gautier. Thanks for speaking the truth
This is indeed a great piece of work.Very true and relevent.The most valid and appealing point is Muslims should study their religion and understand that the rules which were then made during the origin of Islam were according to the then existing society and location were the religion originated.Some rules maybe not relevent today and the fact that Islam originated in middle east and was spread to the rest of the world so there must be adaptation which is applicable from country to country.The main thing to understand is religion is a discipline and not more than that.If the extremists have understood the relevence of some of their laws in todays modern world then there would not have been terrorism around.I have muslim friends who understand their religion and are quite happy to adapt the realities and accept the facts,India needs more muslims like them and there wont be any problems.Be it any religion if the people of that religion are sensible the burning problemof the world is solved.
RE:Great article
by NIRANJAN L on Feb 16, 2007 06:26 PM Permalink
WOW...WHAT A JOKE HAPPENING HERE....THE GUY (FRANCOIS GAUTIER) IS A CHRISTIAN WHO IS SO SUCCESFUL IN CREATING A WAR (OF WORDS & SUBSEQUENT BLOOD SHED) BETWEEN HINDUS & MUSLIMS... WAKE UP GUYS.. WE HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO IN LIFE THAN FIGHT ABOUT RELIGION. REMEMBER... GOD MADE MAN...MAN DIDN'T MAKE GOD. RELIGION IS BUT MAN MADE & MOST CERTAINLY THERE ARE SEVERAL FLAWS. THE WORLD IS PROGRESSING & WE SHOUDLN'T BE LEFT BEHIND. WAKE UP TO FACTS FACING US IN THE EYE. LEAVE RELIGION TO THE CLERGIES. THEY ARE GONNA DIE SOON ANYWAY.
RE:Great article
by NIRANJAN L on Feb 16, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Dear Suyog you can accept dark facts when you are mature enough to understand why & how they happened. Majority of Indians are still over sensitive to these issues & will flame up on recalling these incidents. Its gonna take a real long time for us to mature, think about shaping the future & then recalling & undestanding the past. Most nations that have accepted the past are the ones with one major religion. Its no joke to convince a billion people following numerous faiths about a dark past. Its best to keep the past there & move ahead. All religions have resorted to some tactic for propogation. If anyone brought out the facts about the spread of Christianity, Aurangzeb would sound like a kindergarten kid. The fact is that we are constantly facing a world that has more practical problems than spiritual ones. Every nation knows it can't survive by itself. Boundaries are opening up like never before. Communication couldn't have been better. All this is allowing human to human contacts. When you look deep inside yourself & others, you see no difference. Its something written down centuries ago, that had relevance then, that is still dictating the ways of life. Religion is required to discipline humans but law is not much different. There are plenty of Aurangzebs & Hitlers practising even today. Its just a matter of how we fight them to oblivion that decides what the world is going to look like in the near & far future. Lets wake up to accept human kind as one & sort problems that will let us all live equally & happily in the short time we are gonna be in this planet
