STOP THIS HATRED ...SHAME ON ALL OF YOU WHO HOLD THEIR FUTURE IN STAKE FOR THE PAST... IF THIS B THE MIND OF PRESENT I WONDER WHAT FUTURE WE WILL GIVE OUR CHILDREN...THINK INDIANS.. U WANT A GUJARAT IN ALL PARTS OF COUNTRY OF INDIA AS A WHOLE
RE:SHAME INDIA SHAME...
by vijay parasar on Feb 17, 2007 02:44 PM Permalink
U WANT A GUJARAT IN ALL PARTS OF COUNTRY OF INDIA AS A WHOLE .Is this a theartening from ur end????
RE:SHAME INDIA SHAME...
by vijay parasar on Feb 17, 2007 02:43 PM Permalink
same on whqat??? u are bidding us to forget the past. we had already forgot but it is thr present context of terrisom which has opned the pages of the past. don,t forget that kashmir/bombing of sankat mochan/boming of parliamnet/mumbai blast/hijacking for release of terriost like mamhmood azhar is not past . they are all current and drop of blood is stil liquid.
It has been said and proved time and again that those who refuse to learn from history are bound to repeat it. Why are we afraid to revisit our history just because it is unpalatable, specially if it puts muslims in bad light? Till Muslims of India fail to separate their past from Moghuls and link it to their Hindu ancestory, they will feel that any attack on Aurangzeb is any attack on Muslim community which is not right. We lapped up history thrown at us by British and still take it as reference point, even when it is now well known that it was doctored to suit their evil designs of divide and rule. But, we condemn Mr. Francois just because he is French? Why is person who speaks is, now, more important than the truth? Why messanger is being condemned and not the message? Let us grow up.
"May the Spirit of Dara Shikoh come back to India and bring back Islam to a more tolerant human face", by this statement the narrator wants to convey that Indian Muslims are untolerant.Donot close your eyes from the Tragedies of Gujrat, the Demolition of Babri Masjid. If a group of Hindus commit some anti social activity they r refered as MOBS where as if this the same with a Muslim he is referred as a Terroist.untill when we muslims has to pay the price for Hostility and Discrimination. We are a integral part of India. One should look forward for peace and harmony not try to extract the darker side of history and rise dispute. The non communal face of India is buy dispute solving not by dispute building.
RE:Islam Above All
by vijay parasar on Feb 17, 2007 02:51 PM Permalink
U GO TO POLITICIAN AND ASK THEM TO FABRICTAE TRUE SECULIAR INDIA AND THAN U WILL NOT BE CONDEMED.
RE:Islam Above All
by rajendra hegde on Feb 17, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
Every one mor so muslim quotes the Gujrat incident. But kindly check the fact that the gujrat beating of muslims was instiagted by muslims/terrorists? If every act od atrioccity of muslims on Hindus goes without any reaction from Hindus Muslims think that Hindus are cowards and they(Muslims can kepp inflicting injuries on the innocent hindus.See the recent bangalore violence. It was instgated by muslims a day prior by attacking Hindus without any provocation in the name of Saddam rally. Yes there is no doubt that country can not make any progress without peace prevailing. But only Hindus can not ensure peace. Unfortunatley muslims all over the world are indulging in unnecessary violence in the name of Jehad on innocent people. There is a need for strong peace loving leadership to emerge among Muslims and also science education besides revolutionaryn reforms to the Islam as per the needs of the day. I always appreciate one Dr Mumtaj Ali khan from Bangalore who writes agianst the ills of islam inspuie of being a muslim. Recently he partici[pated in the Hindu samaj Utsav in Karnataka marking the birth centenary celebrations of Guruji. I only pray and hope that such muslim leadership emerges in the near future which will bring peace and progress for this nation.
RE:Islam Above All
by vishal kundnani on Feb 17, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
RE:URGENT NEWS: Government of Kazakhstan demolishes cottages in Hindu community
My Hindu Brothers and Muslim Guests, check this website
http://www.palaceofthesoul.com
Let me see how many of the so called secular muslims and Hindu psuedo-secularists voice against this.
My Dear Brother and sisters, please read your own scripture with understanding whether it is vedas, Quran or Bible.Which speaks only One god.Please don't spread hatred.
RE:Please read your own scripture
by VenkataVikas Palchuri on Feb 17, 2007 02:23 PM Permalink
i don't hate muslims. when they speak infront of 100 hindus they speak as true secular. whey the same muslim speaks infront of 100 muslims he speaks as true Terroist.
if muslims want the freedom any country whey they are minorities, they should do the same for the minorites in the countries where they are majority.
RE:RE:Please read your own scripture
by misbah urrahman siddiqui on Feb 17, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
why are u giving a single example of kazaks, tell about gujrat, israel, china,... list is long where muslims and their religious sites. have u heard and discussed about 4 hindu militants caught red handed with 6 kg of RDX in mumbai, if they were muslim u and whole media (electronic and print) had started the debate on ISLAM. why don't u tell about the excavation around Masjide Aqsa in Israel?
So now we need this French to come and tell us to accept our history, as they have uncovered it. To add salt to meat to the already tense situation we have between Hindus and Muslim, these wonderful truths uncovered will ensure we keep fighting each other for another hundred years, shed more blood, rake up more Gujarat, and hopefully pray for peace like the Catholics and Protestants in France. Mr.Gautier, complimenting you on your brave initiative to dig out farhans from Rajasthan. Your brave acts will not make this place a peaceful state anymore. You are simply throwing stone on a barking dogs head. There are numerous Hindu fundamentalists who will lap onto your exercise for more bloodshed.
I simply pray, the intellectuals leave us Indians alone. I think a peaceful life, devoid of religious partition and history is much better than applauding bloody truths.
RE:Now we need a French to tell us how to live in India...
by Sameer on Feb 17, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
I don't know why rediff is doing this by digging old history whether its real or not.Its time we live like Indians, Religion must be practiced at home and prayer places.Please don't divide us.Britishers have gone so the policy "Divide and Rule" has also to be gone.Don't give our fundamentalist leaders issues so that they can use for further bloodshed.Japan has accepted USA even after Hiroshima Nagasaki bombing. Germany is accepted by European and other countries. Because they know they have to progress and move ahead
RE:RE:Now we need a French to tell us how to live in India...
by vishal kundnani on Feb 17, 2007 02:14 PM Permalink
ABOUT THE PRESENT, LET ME SEE YOU CONDEMN THIS...
URGENT NEWS: Government of Kazakhstan demolishes cottages in Hindu community
RE:Now we need a French to tell us how to live in India...
by pradeep doshi on Feb 17, 2007 02:04 PM Permalink
there is nothing wrong in this.i don't think aurangzeb is the idel of muslim.why people like u take every thing in relisious way.truth must be disclosed if it is done by a hinu or muslim.and it must be understood that writing about any muslim does mean that it is relisious and this is the only way to beuild confidence between both the relison.not the way u have written
Every english country or every english wants that "all indians quarrel or fight to each other" because they did not like that india go on top most country on all side like economic, power etc so mr. francoice gautier write this articles to creat tension in every indian people.
please understand deeply and I request to all indians plz cool.
Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb: Bad Ruler or Bad History?
By Dr. Habib Siddiqui Posted: 9 Jamad-ul-awwal 1427, 5 June 2006
Of all the Muslim rulers who ruled vast territories of India from 712 to 1857 CE, probably no one has received as much condemnation from Western and Hindu writers as Aurangzeb. He has been castigated as a religious Muslim who was anti-Hindu, who taxed them, who tried to convert them, who discriminated against them in awarding high administrative positions, and who interfered in their religious matters. This view has been heavily promoted in the government approved textbooks in schools and colleges across post-partition India (i.e., after 1947). These are fabrications against one of the best rulers of India who was pious, scholarly, saintly, un-biased, liberal, magnanimous, tolerant, competent, and far-sighted.
Fortunately, in recent years quite a few Hindu historians have come out in the open disputing those allegations. For example, historian Babu Nagendranath Banerjee rejected the accusation of forced conversion of Hindus by Muslim rulers by stating that if that was their intention then in India today there would not be nearly four times as many Hindus compared to Muslims, despite the fact that Muslims had ruled for nearly a thousand years. Banerjee challenged the Hindu hypothesis that Aurangzeb was anti-Hindu by reasoning that if the latter were truly guilty of such bigotry, how could he appoint a Hindu as his military commander-in-chief? Surely, he could have afforded to appoint a competent Muslim general in that position. Banerjee further stated: "No one should accuse Aurangzeb of being communal minded. In his administration, the state policy was formulated by Hindus. Two Hindus held the highest position in the State Treasury. Some prejudiced Muslims even questioned the merit of his decision to appoint non-Muslims to such high offices. The Emperor refuted that by stating that he had been following the dictates of the Shariah (Islamic Law) which demands appointing right persons in right positions." During Aurangzeb's long reign of fifty years, many Hindus, notably Jaswant Singh, Raja Rajrup, Kabir Singh, Arghanath Singh, Prem Dev Singh, Dilip Roy, and Rasik Lal Crory, held very high administrative positions. Two of the highest ranked generals in Aurangzeb's administration, Jaswant Singh and Jaya Singh, were Hindus. Other notable Hindu generals who commanded a garrison of two to five thousand soldiers were Raja Vim Singh of Udaypur, Indra Singh, Achalaji and Arjuji. One wonders if Aurangzeb was hostile to Hindus, why would he position all these Hindus to high positions of authority, especially in the military, who could have mutinied against him and removed him from his throne?
Most Hindus like Akbar over Aurangzeb for his multi-ethnic court where Hindus were favored. Historian Shri Sharma states that while Emperor Akbar had fourteen Hindu Mansabdars (high officials) in his court, Aurangzeb actually had 148 Hindu high officials in his court. (Ref: Mughal Government) But this fact is somewhat less known.
Some of the Hindu historians have accused Aurangzeb of demolishing Hindu Temples. How factual is this accusation against a man, who has been known to be a saintly man, a strict adherent of Islam? The Qur'an prohibits any Muslim to impose his will on a non-Muslim by stating that "There is no compulsion in religion." (surah al-Baqarah 2:256). The surah al-Kafirun clearly states: "To you is your religion and to me is mine." It would be totally unbecoming of a learned scholar of Islam of his caliber, as Aurangzeb was known to be, to do things that are contrary to the dictates of the Qur'an.
Interestingly, the 1946 edition of the history textbook Etihash Parichaya (Introduction to History) used in Bengal for the 5th and 6th graders states: "If Aurangzeb had the intention of demolishing temples to make way for mosques, there would not have been a single temple standing erect in India. On the contrary, Aurangzeb donated huge estates for use as Temple sites and support thereof in Benares, Kashmir and elsewhere. The official documentations for these land grants are still extant."
A stone inscription in the historic Balaji or Vishnu Temple, located north of Chitrakut Balaghat, still shows that it was commissioned by the Emperor himself. The proof of Aurangzeb's land grant for famous Hindu religious sites in Kasi, Varanasi can easily be verified from the deed records extant at those sites. The same textbook reads: "During the fifty year reign of Aurangzeb, not a single Hindu was forced to embrace Islam. He did not interfere with any Hindu religious activities." (p. 138) Alexander Hamilton, a British historian, toured India towards the end of Aurangzeb's fifty year reign and observed that every one was free to serve and worship God in his own way.
Now let us deal with Aurangzeb's imposition ofthe jizya tax which had drawn severe criticism from many Hindu historians. It is true that jizya was lifted during the reign of Akbar and Jahangir and that Aurangzeb later reinstated this. Before I delve into the subject of Aurangzeb's jizya tax, or taxing the non-Muslims, it is worthwhile to point out that jizya is nothing more than a war tax which was collected only from able-bodied young non-Muslim male citizens living in a Muslim country who did not want to volunteer for the defense of the country. That is, no such tax was collected from non-Muslims who volunteered to defend the country. This tax was not collected from women, and neither from immature males nor from disabled or old male citizens. For payment of such taxes, it became incumbent upon the Muslim government to protect the life, property and wealth of its non-Muslim citizens. If for any reason the government failed to protect its citizens, especially during a war, the taxable amount was returned.
It should be pointed out here that zakat (2.5% of savings) and %u2018ushr (10% of agricultural products) were collected from all Muslims, who owned some wealth (beyond a certain minimum, called nisab). They also paid sadaqah, fitrah, and khums. None of these were collected from any non-Muslim. As a matter of fact, the per capita collection from Muslims was several fold that of non-Muslims. Further to Auranzeb's credit is his abolition of a lot of taxes, although this fact is not usually mentioned. In his book Mughal Administration, Sir Jadunath Sarkar, foremost historian on the Mughal dynasty, mentions that during Aurangzeb's reign in power, nearly sixty-five types of taxes were abolished, which resulted in a yearly revenue loss of fifty million rupees from the state treasury.
While some Hindu historians are retracting the lies, the textbooks and historic accounts in Western countries have yet to admit their error and set the record straight.
RE:READ THIS ABT AURANZEB
by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 02:37 PM Permalink
WA QUL JAA AL HAQQ, WA ZAHAQAL BATIL, INNAL BATILA KAANA ZAHOOQA. Congrats brother, just spread the light, darkness has to go off.
RE:RE:READ THIS ABT AURANZEB
by zan on Feb 17, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
Firstly, I thanked for the above message send by Dr habib siddiqui is purely a intellectual form providing with all historians references...thanks for this gentleman for providing it for those who are away from peace & love & love only hates.
can't we stop fights & get a proper knowledge of any subject before we post any message on rediff.
Immoral fights & hatred discussions this is only coz of lack of knowledge of any subject.Hatred talks with ignorance always created friction & fights coz that doesn't lead to anywhere but only hatred. Unlimited hours will be wasted & will generates more hatred just only coz of low knowledge of the subject & on the other hand one might correct himself with the help of authentic resources of any topic to lead towards wisdom & a solution towards love,peace & affection.
Please promote love & peace among each other so that we are not called a "Third world country" by any power. Pls learn from the west how to respect each other's religion & how to behave in religious/political discussions with respecting each other's faith & at the same time accepting facts on the basis of proper sources of knowledge & proof coz "little knowledge is very dangerous thing"
Pls wake up from darkness & proceed discussions with not only knowledge but proper knowledge & not with bad rumours to create own history to say he was bad...if he was bad...let us be good at present to looks our present looks good in the future in front of generation to come.
RE:READ THIS ABT AURANZEB
by Imran Pasha on Feb 17, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
I hope and wish u r not a Hindu fundamentalist posing as a French and spreading hatred,whatever and whoever pls stop and dont repeat we had enough of Gujarat. Better comment on BUSH,IRAQ &AFGANISTAN etc.
RE:RE:READ THIS ABT AURANZEB
by vijay parasar on Feb 17, 2007 03:04 PM Permalink
dear imran, have u ever thought of coming out when M.F Hussain painted IndIAN gOD & godess nude???? U cn cause if u come out for kafirs god u will be harmed by ur own community people.
I have been reading your articles regularly in Rediff.Your respect for Indian culture inspires me a lot. I disagree with some views of our own borthers (Muslims) in this message board that you are Muslim basher. All over the world the attitude towards Islam is same - anger, disagreement. This is because of the barbaric acts of fanatic muslims to killing other for the sake of heaven. I do not think Islam will discriminate between humans, and killing others and raping women in the name of religion.
