As usual full of hatred against muslim king. he was the only king in the during his rule there were 3 hindu officer out of 7 and during akbars rule there were 1 out of 6.
forts and palace were built which was not required by akbar and shahjahan. but grave of aurangazeb is very simple one
jaziya is a tax collected from rich nonmuslim and inturn given to the poor nonmuslim which was followed during the time of the prophet.
non muslims have always been accusing muslim kings of destructing their place of worship and inturn erecting a masjid but the creator knew of these allegations so the rule for construction of masjid is either it should belong to a muslim or it should be a waqf property.
since the money cannot be used by the king so aurangazeb use to make his livelyhood by stitching caps and writing quran. he showed examles of a perfect king in recent times.
Akbar played with islamic laws which calls for execution and during akbars rule muslims suffered a lot so thats the reason any history books would show as Akbar the great
the only mistake done by aurangazeb is that he did not treat nonmuslims according to islamic law and gave more rights to them so thats the reason present day hindus accuse him with several baseless allegation.
RE:Aurangzeb
by on Feb 17, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
waqas, Aurangzeb or any mughal ruler never considered himself an Indian. He always considered himself a Turk. when we turn the pages of history we can clearly see his tolerabiliy towards other religions. We have following examples of it 1) His friendly interaction with Guru Teg Bahadur. 2) His friendly interaction with Guru Govind Singh's two sons. 3) Implementation of Ziziya tax. 4) His order for demolition of temples. 5) His friendly interaction with Sambhaji Maharaj & Kavi Kalash and many more.. But what the matter in discussing that he paid the price of it when Marathas beat him, kicked his ass. All in all he was not - 1) INDIAN 2) Great 3) topic to speak on 4) topic to hold exhibition on Actually he was - 1) Hitler amoungst Mughals (he has tough competition) 2) Looser 3) Cruel and fundamentalist Now, reply this with some typical illogical statements. Sameer.
Whats the point of writing this article, the writer is biased. He has already made up his mind about Aurangzeb, he didn't try to search for the truth. 400 ago india was a different country, most of indian muslims didn't get converted by force, India always had relation with muslims traders, they converted through them.
Aurangzeb wanted to be the king, he had fought with his big brother and everyone knows who won, dara is was weak and after losing he ran for his father.
I read a article in Times magazine that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, specially in the west, in 30 years time there will be more muslims than christians. Living in australia I met muslim from from many different contries, like somalia, japan, china and even abos in australia are becoming musilms.
RE:stupid article
by hari kumar on Feb 17, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
It is learnt that the 'Play Boy' magazine is the best seller out of all publications. Even the publisher will not claim it is the best publication the world admires or civilised society accomplish. And if it is accepted by the world mass as the best, my dear Khan you are preaching to replace our sacred books to it. Shame! to you if you consider the quantity as the standard of quality and rightousness. Try to learn something from the life of our great Indians, such as Sufi saints, Vivekananda,Ramakrishna paramahamsa,Mahatma Gandhi,Sankaracharya,Rani Laxmi bai, Swathi thirunal,Guru Nanak,Gautham Budha,Mother Theresa,Rabindra natha Tagore, Our President Abdul kalam etc... some of them to name. They (were)/are unique and taught us how to perform a life's sanctity by serving the very nature by selfless love and hardwork so that the coming generation reap the richness of Indian heritage, tolerance and pious achievement and pass it to the world. Dear, the world is looking at us to serve them with the available humanity left among every Indians. Yes, YOU could be the one the world expecting to take its lead to the described path. And sure, I have no doubt that atleast at the last but one in that stream you lead, you will find me also. Though Iam aged and weak by physic, I have the courage and health to become a part of it. OR can you promise to be a part of the stream if somebody else leads it? If you say yes, line is clear. Just follow the leader who has the rightous leadership. A continoues change is the manifestation of nature and we are part of it. Do not try to become an obstruction if some stupid manifestations are being imposed by mullahs, pandits, popes or rulers. They are not the reality to the truth and rightouesness. Nature knows and you or any one can call it GOD! Teaching the God to know you and only you or a group is foolishness. Please reply if I am wrong. With sicere regards, hari.
RE:stupid article
by retheesh ravindran on Feb 17, 2007 08:05 PM Permalink
Dear Sha Khan , When Aurangazeb facing criticisam, you dont feel hurt. It was the functionings of the king at that time and it doesn't matter the religion. Aurangazeb doesn't represent the whole muslim religion its something beyond him.
RE:stupid article
by swati bandyopadhyay on Feb 17, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
By growing in numbers is not the actual growth coz it is still the most illiterate and uneducated community in the world. Those who are educated are termed as "PADA LIKHA GANWAAR" coz any bloody(from their own community) can brainwash them....so stop shouting about numbers.....
Dear All, Let me make one thing clear that it is very clear that how biased and bigot all of us have become of late. We are progressing and talking os secularism anf rule of law. and on the other hand our minds are so coloured with hatred and biasedness. I would like to see, how many people really see the real picture and have neutral view. Recently, what the fascist forces are doing,they are even changing history and re-writing the history again irrespective of facts.In addition to it, i will emphasize that this writer is right winger and very orthodox one. He carries the same gene which Duplex used to carry.So, these are the tactics they are applying to divide indian society. beware, everybody. One more thing, i shall emphisize, had aurangzeb used force, India could have been a Muslim Majority Country. most important thing is that Islam does not permit conversion by force. All these things books and articles are game they are playing only to tarnish the image of Islam. Since these people are jeolus of Islam.
RE:Aurangzeb
by kashmir on Feb 17, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
I agree with you. Infact, Aurangazeb was a benevolent ruler and very tolerant towards other religions. The stories of Aurangzeb's cruelty are mere rumours or, at best, lies invented by Hindu bigotry or the British historians who wanted to weaken India by their divide and rule policy.
RE:RE:Aurangzeb
by Prabhudas Kamath on Feb 17, 2007 05:25 PM Permalink
Rediff, Do not remove the facts I have presented while replying to this message. There was no abuse! Mention of Rana Pratap Sinhg and Shivaji Maharaj is some thing which we should be proud of!
RE:Aurangzeb
by sameer bhosale on Feb 17, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
Why are you telling lies,Mr.Abdul Hasan.Auragzeb was one of the cruelest rulers India has seen so far.As to the argument of kashmir,I would say that Aurangzeb was prevented by the most noble King Raja Shivaji,Raja Sambhaji and other hundreds of Marathas who faught with him and defeated him.He was thus stopped from carrying out his monstrous intention of converting Hindus to Islam.By God's grace,Raje Shivaji Chatrapati saved us Hindus from that devil Aurangzeb.
RE:Aurangzeb: The Most Benevolent of all Mughal Rulers
by asdf on Feb 17, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
Well if jazia had been so just ..dont think chatrapatin shivaji would have rebelled..it just went beyond limits with aurangazeb hence the rebellion from marathas and rajputs..and stop quoting from marxist authors..there are thousands of the farmans exsisting which clearly glorify the no of temples raized..read the writings by historians appointed by muslim rulers themselves..as for converting rest of india..friends it was not that easy as well..hindusim is not like buddhism..the reason buddhism was wiped out in its motherland india is that the knowledge was centered amongst the high priests..hence the invaders just cut off the shaved heads...quite easy to identify..and it just died..its not me saying it..but ambedkar who has said it..and the effects of forced conversion CAN BE SEEN IN THE PRESENCE OF AFGANISTAN,PAKISTAN N BANGLADESH..in india we are the lucky few who were saved by marathas rajputs n sikhs..Dont try to portray a rosy picture..we all know what happens when muslims are in majority..hindu presence less than 1% from 10-15% in pakistan since independence..down to less than 10 % from 30% in bangladesh...look at kashmir..yeah its a religion of peace..
RE:RE:Aurangzeb: The Most Benevolent of all Mughal Rulers
by Imaan on Feb 17, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
Who told you that people in Pakistan, Afghanistan or Bangladesh have been forcefully converted?
Did they come to you asking for your help to protect them from forced conversion by muslims?
RE:Aurangzeb: The Most Benevolent of all Mughal Rulers
by sachin jauhari on Feb 17, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
well said, a lot of things happened in history, Aurangzeb happened and so did Gujrat riots. I am a hindu and proud of it but remember the most important thing hinduism teaches is secularism. Read this article and and remember the take home message is that certain people can be bad and that's it.
RE:Aurangzeb: The Most Benevolent of all Mughal Rulers
by sameer bhosale on Feb 17, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
Aurangzeb was the cruelest Mughal King who used his Hindu warriers for expansion of his kingdom.Once his motive was achieved, he betrayed and killed them e.g. Raje Jaysing.He was very shrewd as he always preferred in sending his Hindu Sardars to fight with Hindu Rajas.Please donot brainwash us.There are many live proofs of demolition of Hindu temples by that Monster Aurangzeb.Go to Benaras,mathura and other many places where you will find them.
RE:RE:RE:Aurangzeb: The Most Benevolent of all Mughal Rulers
by vishal kundnani on Feb 17, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
ABOUT THE PRESENT, LET ME SEE YOU CONDEMN THIS...
URGENT NEWS: Government of Kazakhstan demolishes cottages in Hindu community
RE:The truth about Aurangazeb
by asdf on Feb 17, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
yeah ..i wish you were staying in kashmir..soon you would yourself be a part of exhibition..someone wiped off by islam
In a land, tarnished in recent memory by Babri Masjid, Godhra, Bombay '92....it is difficcult to understand what 'Rediff' is trying to do by publishing such articles.
To the historians, I would say that if the greatest truth in history is capable of taking a single life in present, then it is not worth knowing.
Why don't we concentrate more on Ashoka or Akbar, than an Aurangazeb. After all, ''what you believe is what you want to believe''....it is not necesarily the fact.
Every public media has a social responsibility and I would like to wish that 'Rediff' will have second thoughts before bublishing articles that are not really fit for our times.
RE:Truth or Fiction
by vishal kundnani on Feb 17, 2007 03:28 PM Permalink
Let me see you condemn this if you live in SECULAR INDIA, and you call yourself SECULAR INDIAN.
URGENT NEWS: Government of Kazakhstan demolishes cottages in Hindu community
RE:RE:Truth or Fiction
by Narendra Tade on Feb 17, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
Dear Marian and Vishal,
Any loss of life, in the name of religion is condemnable and I strongly support your view that the demolishion of Hindu cottages in Khazakistan should be condemned in the strongest possible words. At the same time I can not support Marian's view that the proportion of Islamic population in a country is the cause for trouble.
I don't call myself a Secular Indian...to condemn violance you don't need to be Secular, it is enough if you are an Indian :)
To close, I would state that there are several incidences of violance accross the world, in the name of religion...what do we get by adding fuel to that fire. Before pointing a finger at some other religion, let us ask ourselves - whether we are true to our own religion...does our own religion promote hatred or are we promoting it out of our own emotions. Where is the end to this 'eye for an eye...' syndrome. Let us behave in a more matured way. In a riot or war - there are sorrows on both sides, their are virtues on either.....no war has been fought in this world where one has won over the other...both have gone home with their wounds. We can only endeavour to keep ourselves safe.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Truth or Fiction
by syed ahmed on Feb 17, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
after knowing about u r views i would only tell you to read about VEDAS and know what they teach if u really got permitted to learn. If u r unable to do so goto Mr.Zakir Naik in Mumbai or mr Ahmed Pandit in Hyderabad they will teach(Muslims) you VEDAS.
RE:Truth or Fiction
by sameer bhosale on Feb 17, 2007 04:39 PM Permalink
Because of ignorant Hindus like you,the psedosecular political leaders are causing immense injustice to Hindus by taking divisive and religion & caste based decisions. History has its importance. I am surprised as when true picture is emerging about the monstrous Muslim rulers who have trampled Hindus,raped their women and destroyed their temples,Will you not take any lesson from the true History as a true follower of Hinduism?
gee...guyz get a life...let the courtz decided about zuch izzuez...by dizuczzing in public we are juzt playing in the handz of politician...we zhould inztead dizcuzz the empowerment of indianz...az it ztandz today...itz juzt 3% of the total population...that maybe over 30 million but itz juzt 3%...letz uz azk the politicianz what do they have to zay about that...god doez'nt need houzing, jobz, education, food...but the rezt of the 97% do...zo whatz more important...
RE:RE:Francoiz Gautier
by faiz siddiqui on Feb 17, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
juzt trying to get people to focuz on the right izzuez and not get manapulated by zpecial interezt groupz and politicianz....whoze only motivation iz to confuze people zo they can be focuzed...get it dude...
RE:Francoiz Gautier
by vishal kundnani on Feb 17, 2007 03:28 PM Permalink
Let me see you condemn this if you live in SECULAR INDIA, and you call yourself SECULAR INDIAN.
URGENT NEWS: Government of Kazakhstan demolishes cottages in Hindu community
RE:How much time will take for India to be islamized? 50 years?
by dinkar shetty on Feb 17, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
I PITY NOT ONLY THE CRUSADERS,BUT ALSO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OF THE WHOLE WORLD. PEOPLE ARE BEHAVING LIKE AS IF THEY ARE HERE FOREVER. FORGET ABOUT LIFE IN THIS PLANNET REMAINING FOREVER, PLANNET EARTH ITSELF MAY NOT REMAIN FOR LONG IF WE CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE SAME STYLE AS OF NOW. PEOPLE DYEING FOR ARTIFICIALLY CREATED RELIGION ANOTHER CURSE ON THE HUMAN BEING. MEN HAVE INTELLIGENCE WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR CO-HABITATION NOT ONLY WITH FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS BUT ALSO WITH ALL OTHER LIVING BEINGS. THIS INTELLIGENCE HE ALSO SHOULD HAVE USED FOR CONSERVATION. CONSERVATION TO HYGIENE THE PLANNET CONDITION. THESE KIND OF REFERENCES OF HISTORICALLY IDENTIFED PEOPLE BRINGS NO BENEFIT IN ANY WAY. WE HAVE TO THINK OF THE FUTURE NOT THE PAST. PAST IS A LESSON FOR FUTURE. ONE DOES NOT REQUIRE A BETTER PROOF OF IGNORANCE OF THE PERSON OR PEOPLE WHO STARTED ANY RELIGION. IF THEY WERE REALLY INTELLIGENT, THEY WOULD HAVE FORSEEN FUTURE OF DISTURBANCES ALL THESE RELIGIONS HAVE CREATED TIME TO TIME. INTELLIGENCE LIES IN FINDING SOLUTION FOR HARMONIOUS LIVING. LIVING NOT ONLY WITH FELLOW MEN BUT ALSO WITH THE NATURE.
RE:How much time will take for India to be islamized? 50 years?
by Srinivasan Ramiah on Feb 17, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
Any country with an Islamic population of more than 5% will be in trouble. At 10% violence starts. At 20 to 30% heavy internal strife. At 40% there is civil war [Lebanon]to establish Islamic State. At over 50% the monorities are suppressed,converted or Killed [Pakistan/Bangladesh].
