Problem we face in India is Politicians. They stoop down to any level for the sake of vote bank and even make changes to History books for votes. Gandhi family ruled india for decades with minority appeasement policies that legacy is passed on to other policitians too.
God save India from such politicians and media who never dare to show the history in bare facts.
RE:Secular Political Parties will stop this
by Indian Muslim on Feb 17, 2007 09:37 PM Permalink
Why did they have to appease the muslims, who were not even a vote bank in 1952 elections ?
Do you have an answer? Why would they want to change the history to suit the muslims then in 1952? What purpose would it have served?
Indian muslims take pride in something born out of INDIA if you consider yourself INDIAN. Why are you so eager to defend Aurangzebs, Babars, Ghazanis, Ghoris all intruders who came to loot this great land.
RE:Great land -- Bharat
by Indian Muslim on Feb 17, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
So all those hindus taking pride being a hindu in every part of the world, are wrong? No?? VHP has offices in 90 countries of the world?
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by Nagesh on Feb 17, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
Why can't you see the difference. Hindus taking pride all over the world is different . They are not going to other countries and praising people who looted those respective countries. It is happens only in India we have to tolerate people who live in India and praise people who looted this land. Don't misuse our tolerance.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 17, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
what's wrong in VHP having offices around the world? Do you have problems if Hindus unite? then forget your Arab masters and Muslim brotherhood. Hindus got to protect their culture and they will unite for it. Live with it.
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by Indian Muslim on Feb 17, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
Again, I have no problems in whoever wants to Unite. I was answering to Nagesh thats all regarding "Born" outside.
If indians can follow hinduism from across the world. Why cant muslims follow islam , so what if its born out of india?
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 01:27 AM Permalink
You can follow anything. You can follow trees and animals ways for all i care. But be an Indian first. Islam next.
RE:Great land -- Bharat
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 17, 2007 08:56 PM Permalink
well, Muslims have bigger issues than that. They have support from sections of Hindus which pampers them not to change. The HR activists, Congress, SP, "Seculars", liberal fundoos and Marxist Historians. They are their enemies and they don't realize it.
Your article about aurangazeb was informative.Of course he was a cruel.Not only he so amny kings and rulers in the history are like this .They will do whatever they want may be some psycho or sadist pleasure.From chemgis Khan to hitler or idi amin they belong to same category.Even you can take the nithari killing .just imagine he is a king or a ruler what these people would have done. My point is that these happenings in the history should be seen in the context these should not be repeated against anybody.That only prove that our country progress in the direction humanity and become a guru all nations .
RE:ORGIN OF RELIGION MUSLIM
by R.M.S. Danaraj on Feb 17, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
Dear sir Do you know there are controversies about the orgin of the bible also?.It not my intention to contradict you.But dont analyse any religion.If you like it follow its good principles.If not leave the religion to god.He will take care of that.
RE:CHECK AND GET UR FACTS RIGHT
by Gyan Dutt Pandey on Feb 17, 2007 09:16 PM Permalink
Dr Siddiqui, some text book in Bengal for 5th graders or some inscription in Chitrakut can not whitewash the image of Aurangzeb. The Qur'an may be saying some thing but that by itself can not be quoted in defense of Aurangzeb. You may believe that Aurangzeb was living idol of the Qur'an. There are not many takers to that logic.
RE:CHECK AND GET UR FACTS RIGHT
by Ravi K on Feb 17, 2007 09:10 PM Permalink
Faiz,
Have you seen any of the Hindu temples that have been destroyed? Unfortunately our historians are not writing the history as is. They write the history to suit the politicians. We need bare facts not some facts to tilt the balance to justisfy Aurangzeb or any islamic ruler. Time is ticking and the time our secularists realize their serious blunder it's going to be too late India might have lost it's identity!
RE:RE:CHECK AND GET UR FACTS RIGHT
by Indian Muslim on Feb 17, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
Everywhere you hear India is shining like a star, and you say india is losing its identity? Sheer paranoia!
RE:CHECK AND GET UR FACTS RIGHT
by Shamim Ansari on Feb 17, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
I would like to thank & congratulate you for conveying truth about Great Emperor Aurangzeb without critisizing any community. Let us think seriously not to carried away by such historians thos hides the facts under hardliners & political pressure.
3 cheers to rediff for publishing this article. All our pinko-pant pseudo-secular media would not dare to do so. I, a 20 yr old student, has learned about our past from the internet. All thanks to bigoted communists like Romila Thapar etc who continue to whitewash our history. Shoe's on the other foot now and payback's always a b*tch. Boo haa!
Another example of how historians like romila thapar abuse the subjectivity offered by subjects like history to further their own political agendas. What is so shocking is that it is so easy for them to get away with it, another pointer to the evil leftist nexus that has hijacked history and does not allow alternative points of view to have a voice.
I too believe that children are taught to look squarely at their own history, the good and the bad, the evil and the pure.
The basic idea is to learn from the history so that we do not commit same crimes. I believe we Indians fail in this matter.
Please explain how buddists, jains and the untouchables were slaughtered and their religions were systematically destroyed by our great Hindu rulers and their priest class.
We have records of that in our won religious songs and mantras we chant.
For example, Why Buddha's tree was cut down, How jains were left dying on spikes etc.
RE:Also write about pre-muslim history of India
by Nagesh on Feb 17, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
Do you have any proof ,any scripture with proof. India is too sphosticated a coutry , if we want to finish other religions we use intellect strong arguments. We don't resort to barbaric acts. This is well documented by westerners even .
RE:RE:Also write about pre-muslim history of India
by Indian Muslim on Feb 17, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
Intellect? You Nagesh ..talking about intellect?
You are resorting to Barbarism throughout the message board and you talk of intellect??
Be honest with yourself! You are nothing but a hate monger , nothing else!
Dear Dilsay Hajar(AS) was not a slave, but a daughter of the king of Egypt. How can you say a prophet og God having illegal sex!!!!!!!! Don't read website articles, see the scriptures which are unedited
RE:Hajar.........
by INDIAN on Feb 17, 2007 08:41 PM Permalink
Mate, now I know u dont have knowledge about ur own religion
HAGAR WAS A EGYPTIAN SLAVE OG SARAH. YOUR SAW CALLED BOOK KORAN WAS WRITTEN 1700 YEARS LATER TORAH ( JEWISH BOOK ) AND THE OLD TESTAMENT IN THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN.
I THINK YOU GET MY POINT YOUR SAW CALLED BOOK WAS WRITTEN 1700 YEARS LATER....
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by shefiq ahmad khan on Feb 17, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
sir Torah and Gospel have been adulterated... Read the pure books if you can get them. Quran is the word of the same god whose word whose is Torah & Gospel, but still in the pure form as God says that I will protect it myself. Hajar(peace be upon her) was given by the king of Egypt hiself to Abraham(PBUH)
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by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
THE RECENT CHANGE IN BIBLE FROM FEMININE SECT GOD SHOULD NOT BE CALLED HE, COZ MALE DOMINATION, SHOULD BE ATLEAST IT - GOT CHANGED COOLLY. INDIAN - PLZ GO THOROUGH BIBLE " BERNBAS" AND SET THE THINGS RIGHT. ONCE U BELIEVE ALL PROPHETS FROM ADAM, NOVA, ISSAQ, JACOB, ABRAHAM, DAVID, THEN WHY NOT MOHAMMED ( PBUH ), JANNASHI THE THEN CHRISTIAN RULER HAS EMBRACED ISLAM AFTER GOING THROUGH TRUE SIGNS IN REAL TORA, TORA IS NOT AS ELBORATE AS QURAN, WAS SUFFICIENT FOR THAT TIME AND THAT KNOWLEDGE OF PEOPLE, PLZ. STUDY UNBIASES, U WILL FINED THE CONTINUED CHAIN.
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by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
yet another misconception and lack of knowledge, who says we dont take shower daily??? and only friday???. SURPRISED, plz. spend some time to know the facts. get the analysis, how many of muslim males r having more than 1 wife, up to 4 marraiges are permitted, JUST PERMITTED.
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by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
PLZ. have bible BERNABAS then we shall discuss, a holy father from a good church of london recently emphsised that only BERNBAS is neither dsitorted, nor fabricated unlike other books of BIBLE, ofcourse BARNBAS also against to IDOL WORSHIP, any statue like JESUS or MOTHER MARIE, as in line with BANI ISRAEEL ( Jews )
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by INDIAN on Feb 17, 2007 09:20 PM Permalink
Do you actually know how many Sects are in Christainity? There is no Mohammed no where, he created a religion at that point of time becoz thr was no religion at that time and people were behaving like animals.
There are no prohets in bible, thr are normal human beings.
And mind you judaism was much before the origin of ISLAM
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by shefiq ahmad khan on Feb 17, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
Dear sir, If you are really serious, get and read original, unadulterated copies of Torah and Gospel. You will definitely ask for a copy of Glorious Qur'an . No arguments. regards
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by INDIAN on Feb 17, 2007 09:11 PM Permalink
Dear O Dear , when after 1700 years somebody writes a story when taken from Torah & the old testment. Masalas are added according to the situation to give rise to a new cult.
Ok, can I ask u something, this religion was made in the middle east - ur prophet told to marry more than once, he told clean ur body at least when u pray. Why is majority of your religion people marry more than once in rest part of the world were the numbers of male: female ratio is correct. why is majority of them dont take a shower and only take on Friday when water is avaialble.
This is becoz this religion was made in middleeast for people in middleeast at that particular time.
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by saif kashmiri on Feb 17, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
what proof u have that torah and gospel have been adulerated not quran.think before u write anything about holy books