I said correctly that the filth come to our histroy from these RSS and Goons they made all these mess.
In the time of BJP government many Indian Highly qualified and reputed Historians humiliated when they resist their policies of addition, deletion and fabrication.
READ ABOUT INDIA WE HAVE VERY GOOD PRESS AND BEST WRITERS IN THE WORLD. DO NOT READ JUST RSS GANGS AND GOONS MATERIAL AND GARBAGE IT IS GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH AND FOR YOUR FUTURE GENERATION.
RE:Reply to Secular Indian - I said correctly
by Indigo on Mar 20, 2007 08:50 PM Permalink
What Flith?? Why do muslims not accept the fact? Shivaji from maharashtra fought Aurangzeb to protect hinduism. His son Sambhaji was murdered by Aurangzeb because he did not accept Islam. Dear friend I know the truth is hard to accept for you. You do not have the guts to accept it.
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by avelino mendonca on Mar 20, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
Wada pav bhaji or mughlai is not good. The best food is pork with chicken.
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by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 21, 2007 12:09 AM Permalink
Dont mix bad with good like pork with chicken. Chicken Masala, Ginger Chicken, Chick Jalfrozi, Chicken Tandoori, Chicken Six five, Roasted Chicken, Chicken Afghani, Chicken Grilled, Chicken kebab, Chicken Briyani you have lot dishes try. Keep pork for you only.
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by raghav bhatt on Mar 21, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
why pork is bad & chicken is good. Just like muslim is bad& others are good?
RE:RE:RE:Reply to Secular Indian - I said correctly
by wada pav on Mar 20, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
Now Romila Thapar , Arjun Singh , Brinda Karat are writing History books, sonia is editing them, just like you wanted. you must be very happy.
RE:The Truth - Eye Opener - by Secular Indian on Mar 20, 2007 05:45 AM Face up to the truth! Some of your claims are bizarre, a sample:
"The all filth written in the History by Western Writers, come from where. By these RSS and GANGS and Goons work. They Gave Vish Kanniya and Rewards to write against Aurangzeb" How do you explain this ?
1.Go and Read the Bio-Data of Francois Gautier 2.He stayed in Aorbindo Ashram for 8 years taking lessons from Female Priests. 3.He is great disciples of SRI SRI RAVI SHANKER. 4.He wrote many books on Hinduism and Hindutva. 5.He writes always against Muslims and Islams. 6.He is against Sonia Gandhi and other political parties more than their devoted worker. 7.It is simple to say he is Mouth Piece of RSS Gang and Goons. To whom you refering they may stand in the same cadre. If Mukhatar Abbas Naqvi of BJP wrote about Muslims history or about Islam. Due to take it valid. You people still simple. just like fools doesnt understand.
RE:Reply to Secular Indian.
by Ekalavyan on Mar 20, 2007 08:36 PM Permalink
correct . "Knicker Party" addicts vitiate the atmosphere. They should be booked for public nuisance!!!!
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by Indigo on Mar 20, 2007 08:53 PM Permalink
What knicker party. If some one really speaks for the Hindus he is communal. Why do you not come to Maharashtra, Karnataka, Hyderabad and study the attrocities the Mughals committed when they came here Please improve your knowledge and learn to accept the truth. My friend please do not live in darkness
Aurangzeb was driven by an intense Muslim piety. He insisted that the Shari'a(Mistaken or wrongly got He just make Just rule and given 148 highest position to Hindus in Judiciary to deal the cases) become the law of the land, and forbade all drinking and gambling. The Hindu majority, accustomed to living according to Hindu law, the Dharmashastra , now found themselves facing Islamic law courts. Aurangzeb outlawed the Hindu practice of suttee in which widows voluntarily killed themselves by throwing themselves on the funeral pyre of their husbands. More seriously, however, was Aurangzeb's repeal of all taxes that were not specifically authorized in Islamic law or tradition
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Aurangzeb is become wicked to the Brahmans and Higher Castes Hindus, because he had started reformation and applied correcting measures to Hindu society and Culture. In his rule recorded that many Temple and Ashram which runs as Brothels closed. The Gambling, Drinking and other practices Devdasi, Slavery was banned. He initiated reformation that made villain to Brahmans and Higher Castes. Because Aurangzeb wanted to liberate BC/ST/SC and Dalit from the clutches and wrong practices of Brahmans and Higher Castes and bring equality. The all filth written in the History by Western Writers, come from where. By these RSS and GANGS and Goons work. They Gave Vish Kanniyas and Rewards to write against Aurangzeb and they also wrote books, brochure against him to spread hatred. They want to use now. This was the strategy. The forced conversion, razing temples, killing Hindus all were fabricated and heinous work of these hatred mongers. They want to rule India by encouraging hatred against Muslims. Encouraging Hatred against could not unite Hindus. The only thing is Revolution which is a step ahead.
Note: The Francois Gautier is bogus writer.
1. Any student he wants to study about Aurangzeb he must read the FARMANS (Edict of Aurangzeb GOVERNMETN ORDERS) the basic documents.
2. Mr. Francois Gautier claims he studied 30 years Indian history with specialization Aurangzeb. He wrote in the article he got FARHANS. ( You can find and Guess from where he get these farhans )
From his Article:
Firstly, I have been a close student of Indian history, and one of its most controversial figures has been Aurangzeb (1658-1707).
History (like journalism) is about documentation and first-hand experience. We decided to show Aurangzeb according to his own documents. There are an incredible number of farhans, original edicts of Aurangzeb hand-written in Persian, in India's museums, particularly in Rajasthan, such as the Bikaner archives.
The director of Bikaner archives told us that in 50 years we were the first ones asking for the farhans dealing with Aurangzeb's destructive deeds.
RE:Francois Gautier is a product of RSS Gangs and Goons
by Ekalavyan on Mar 20, 2007 08:41 PM Permalink
Francois Gautier is No: one fraud, RSS stooge their bum licker and a confirmed intellectual prostitute.
Dear Moderator: This discussion board has degenrated into an acrimonous argument on the merits and demerits of various religions and it is time to take out this from the Site. Dear Mike, Rafiuddin, Vada Pav and An Indian: We are all citizens of a great Country and equality before law is guaranteed by our Constitution. I believe that every citizen has equal rights (nothing more, nothing less) irrespective of Caste, Creed, Colour or Religion. I am an Athiest (neither mad nor RSS goon as mentioned by somebody) and do not believe in the dogmas of any Religion. During my Student days, I was an active member of SFI and later supporter of CPI (M) (I am not an active party worker now) and as such secularism is a way of life for me rather than a means for exploitation of some section of the population for narrow gains. We should all spend our energy for the upliftment of the downtrodden rather than spending time in futile arguments. Quality education for all is the need of the hour. This only will help in eradication of poverty among millions of inhabitants of this Country. Best of luck to all.
RE:Aurangazeb
by Ekalavyan on Mar 20, 2007 07:59 PM Permalink
Being an athiest , why do you carry your caste tag? You cut your name or reduced to one letter. Now you are known by your caste. Is there any contradiction in it? Religiously you are athiest and "castiestically" a theist.In hinduism, caste exists. it is most important aspect. You are negativing religion but not the caste.
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by CG NAIR on Mar 21, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
Mr. Ekalavyan, anti-brahmanism has gone to your head. My surname is really not the name of caste (though generally considered so). I hail from the warrior community of Kerala and am not ashamed of the same. So I need not hide my surname. Anti-brahmanism or worshipping Dr. Ambedkar's statue will not improve the lot of poor Dalits. Try to get educated like Dr. Ambedkar or our late President K.R. Narayan and learn to stand on your own feet. Also help selflessly as many Dalits as possible (not like Ms. Mayawati or other Dalit leaders who exploit them for their own gains). We, lefists, do not discriminate people on the basis Caste, Creed, Colour or Religion.
RE:For YOU MIKE GandooooooooooooooooooooS!
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 20, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
HELLO KHASSI SINGH,
DID YOU CLEAN YOUR BODY AND CUT YOUR HAIR, SHAVED YOU DIRTY BEARD, AND ASS ?? WHY DO YOU DONT ACCEPT THAT ALL THE SIKH AND MARATHAS WERE ANTI NATIONAL OF THAT TIME LIKE AFAZAL GURU AND MAQBOOL BUTT ETC. ??
The noted Indian scholar and historian, Dr Bishambhar Nath Pande, ranked among the very few Indians and fewer still Hindu historians who tried to be little careful when dealing with the Muslim rule in India that lasted for almost 1000 years. Dr Pande passed away on 1 June 1998 and Impact International of London (July 1998) wrote the following obituary [at the end of the article], which we think sheds some light into some of the myths on Indian history, such as on Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb, created by the British with the clear objective of divide and rule
RE:LIES AGAINST GREAT EMPEROR AURANGZEB
by Truth on Mar 20, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
Dear Mike Gandhi, Can u please contact me on my mail truth127@rediffmail.com (just send blank mail)
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 19, 2007 10:47 PM | Hide replies | Hide message
Dr Pande himself had been a senior member of the ruling Congress party which he had joined at a very young age. He was a disciple of Gandhi, a friend of Nehru; he had taken part in each and every non-cooperation movement against the British and gone to jail eight times. The Congress was supposed to be an all-Indian nationalist platform and yet Dr Pande's party was hardly free from the bias and ignorance of a cleverly deconstructed history. The rise of militant Hindutva tendency is only recent, but before it all became overt, the Congress itself was doing the same, albeit a little covertly. All the horrific anti-Muslim carnage took place during more than four decades of Congress rule. The doors of the Babari Mosque were opened for Hindu worship during the tenure of Nehru's grandson, Rajiv Gandhi. The Mosque itself was pulled down during the regime of another Congress Prime Minister P V Narasimha Rao.
Dr Pande was, however, just one individual. That made his work all the more important, not just from the Muslim but from the point of view of the entire country. India's deconstructed history is like a time bomb; unless it is defused, India cannot survive in one piece. Not for very long.
Bishambhar Nath Pande born on 23 December 1906 in the Madhya Pradesh of Umreth; member UP Legislative Assembly (1952-53); member UP Legislative Council (1972-74); twice member of the upper house, Rajya Sabha (1976 and 1982); Governor of Orissa state (1983-88); recipient of the highest national award Padma Shri (1976); author of several books, including The Spirit of India and The Concise History of Congress; died in New Delhi, 1 June 1998.
ll the people who carry humanism, the biggest religion of the world, are my brothers (not only cousin) but absolutely not the fundamentalists, criminals, invaders, rapist, terrorists etc. etc.. Yes I am a true Indian, by heart and by soul. I r live in this country, blessed by all the resources of this country, be it its people (remind you true and true Indian) and I am indebted. I do not belong to the community, who lives here, sleeps here, eat here, drink here, in hale here but are loyal to Arab culture, countries and also to our enemy country. I believe in brotherhood but never subscribe to religious fundamentalists who justify everything exploiting their religion, be it using (or misusing) the personal laws, be enjoying the taxpayers money as subsidy for their own religious lust (I repeat lust) etc. etc. Why the people who believes that the Islam is for brotherhood and equality, should not come forward for discriminatory laws (which is called as personal), why they themselves should not come forward to discard the Haz subsidy, after all it is the money of taxpayers (who has nothing to do with the Haz pilgrimage), though it is now law for the exploitation of Muslim votes, as so far in India the Muslims have been treated as commodity by all the political parties and this is the major cause of their non-development, because the political parties does not want that Muslims should developed, so provide them toys like reservation, so that they should always keep on playing with those.
I do not know how long the majority (nothing to do with any religion, strictly true Indian, who loves their country and its resources) would tolerate this. How long the majority would allow these series of nonsense in the name of personal laws (as to why a special law for a particular community), or the misuse of taxpayer%u2019s revenue in the name of Haz Pilgrimages etc. My dear Mike Gandhi, whoever you may be if there are inequalities, illogical differences; dissidences are bound to erupt. Can you tell me any Arab country where any minority; say Hindu has ever headed the state, those countries are not declared even secular and the name of democracy is dream for them. My dear Mike Gandhi, be logical and maintain this country as real secular and do not try to exploit it, otherwise you are creating a trouble for your coming generation, probably after our generation, you may not find a secular person like me and it would be curse for our country, mind it is not only for me rather for you and your coming generation also. You can take it as friendly advice or future warning; this would depend upon your mental ability. If you go through my previous postings you would find that I have given several examples with quite details. In my friend circle, all the Muslim friends, directly or indirectly agrees it as they are reasonably educated, logical and they have the capability to smell it. Otherwise you can see the conditions of Muslim countries, be it peace, be
I have been going through many posting, but I could not understand if the Arabs [whose illegitimate children are craling in plenty in this country] were that intelligent that why did they forcibly entered in this country (greater India, pre-British, which included Afghanistan) and that too what for. Apart from this, whether these people who have been advocating for Arab invaders does not who their ancestors are and if they feel that Arabian are country of culture why do they not shift there (of course if they are allowed to do so, we are all aware about the Muslims migrated to Pakistan). Is the Islam teaches the unpatriotic qualities, that you live here, drink here, in hale here and conspire against your motherland.
If the Arab loyalists shift there, they would live happily and the true Indians or true Patriots would live here happily. I think this is the solution suitable for both; otherwise they go they leave impression of terrorism, vandalism, rape, and other such available in the earth rather more what once could invent say suicidal attack, as it is happening in Iraq.
1.You can see people like Rafiuddin, imaan , abdul are cut-pasting large articles straight from the books of some western writers.
2.They quote western authors only when it suits them.
3.They don't believe in western authors whom we quote.
4.Why don't they provide evidence directly from quran and hadiths and prove that idol worshippers, jews and christians and their women were treated well.
5.we have provided evidence from korani verses and hadiths which prove our point.
WE NEED EVIDENCE FROM KORAN AND HADITHS TO PROVE ISLAM WAS SECULAR. WE DON'T WANT CUT-PASTE FROM WESTERN AUTHORS, UNDERSTAND ?
