The Headline was - "Hindu political front is VHP's goal". However there have been many postings which are not relevant to this topic at all. The moment we see news like this, our suppressed anti-Muslim tendency gets a flame. And Muslims fan that fire. There are Hindu bashings and Muslim bashings ... which is far away from the actual topic for discussion.
The concern here is *NOT* whether ISLAM is good or HINDUISM is good. The concern is *NOT* whether Muslims are good or Hindus are good. These topics do not have any end. The concern here is whether the idea of having a Hindu Political party is essential for this country under the present circumstances or not.
Why there is such a hue and cry, when it comes to a Hindu political party? There have been Muslim political parties - no one says a word. Muslims are Organized because they fear that they are minority and divided they can't survive in a Hindu territory. The discussions that I have seen in this forum, suggests that the fear syndrome has now shifted to the Hindus. Thats a concern !!!
I have seen postings by some Muslims, in opposition to Hindu sentiments. Dear Good Muslims, Whats is your concern if there is a Hindu political party? You have numerous in number !
The Nation belongs to Those who love the nation. Do Muslims love India ? Lot many will come forward to say -- "YES" Muslims are the greatest patriots.... (Who hate to sing the national song -"VANDE MAATARAM" !!!)
And We Hindus are no good. Why Blame Muslims when it comes to our own security? We have not been able to protect ourselves..thats our fault. Being Offensive now is not a solution. Hindus must Unite, strengthen their religious bonding. I understand, hinduism is Liberal and Too Deep to be confusing. Thats the reason, most Hindus are not aware of their own religion. Being Liberal, It doesn't enforce people to go to temples every Monday, or tuesday.. or XXXday - like Muslims have Friday and Christians have Sunday. Hindus can go whenever they want. This is the cause of lack of integration among Hindus. Many of the Hindus like non hindus, confuse "Caste"/SATI system/ Dowry System/ treatment to Widows -- to be religious phenomena --where as they are actually social phenomena and have nothing to do with religion. What have we Hindus done to organise ourselves? There are Veda Vidyalayas, and Sanskrit Universities in this country which can be counted by fingers. Our great politicians like "Mani shankar Iyer", takes pride in satisfying his apeite in the pretext of being secular. (Wait for the next Elections .. He will be a pure Brahmin, looking at the prevailing public psychology).
Misconception - that the Caste system is only among Hindus. Dear Muslims , why do the Shias and Sunni fight? What is the difference between - SHEIK, SYED, MOGHUL, PATHAN ? Are they not parallel terms in a Muslim society - as KSHYATRIYA, BRAHMANA, VAISHYA, SHUDRA is the Hindu social hierarchy ?
Lets stop blaming each other and have ourselve organized as a positive force, before time runs out. We need to be constructive. Lets educate ourselves to be true Hindus.
Why did Sharat Pradhan contected a history professor to comment on this ? Is he a secularist history professor, shown favours by JNU secularists ? I don't think Sharat quotes Bajrang Dal when reporting the Indian Govt paid idiots who propagate colonial history and maoist history?
Sonia's moral resignation is accepted by secular people without any question on logic. However the desire to show the Ashok Singhal has something to do with politics is silly, we know all that is there, VHP doesn;t contest elections. It compares with the JNU secular mafia, who can find a word secular to do 'secular' subsidies( secular == bash hindu or pretend as if it doesn;t happen).
RE:VHP is better than JNU secular mafia !
by Nikhil P on Feb 12, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
well they do get all the awards sadly. jawahar is the main root behind india's anti-indian government
Its nice to see people like Ashok Singhal who at "Danke Ki Chot" saying what they intend to do... I can see lots of Pro and Against comments about VHP. and nice to note that these Hindus have freedom to express themselves. Something not seen in Muslims.
The Simple Fact is "Orgs like VHP" would remain and Must remain until Muslims put their loyalty first to India and then to their religion. It would not be correct to say that Muslims do have these feelings because those people are not visible...1,2 like Shabana Azmi are there but they are given the label of Prostitutes and Entertainers before they can open their Mouth.
We in Kalyug can't be as soft as MG but need to be Hard and "Tit for Tat" like Krishna and that too in face of Muslim Terrorrists.
This spreading of hatred against Muslims & Christians now and spreading the same venom against the BC's & OBC's some other time, this is going on since ages, systematically carried out by the Bhataji's (Brahmins) of India to maintain their dominance. Can you imagine these 3% bhats dictating BC's & OBC's (who form more than 75% of Indian population) to live a life of dogs for centuries. That is not changed even now. They still can not tolerate the presence of BC's & OBC's anywhere in the educational institutes or in the offices. For your information, please open any site on reservations and read for yourself the way these bhats think of BC's & OBC's. They do not want equality. They want their complete and continuous dominance. These stupid organisations like RSS, VHP & Bajrang Dal were created by these bhats for the sole purpose of spreading hatred, maligning people, spreading false rumours. Nothing else.
They want BC's, OBC's, Muslims, Christians to keep on fighting in the name of religion and castes when they will keep on making themselves stronger economically and otherwise. Do not forget that the National resources are used for centuries & centuries by these 3% bhats. Even now they do not want others to come near to them in terms of financial or social standing.
How can one forget the assasination of one of the greatest souls of this Planet - The Mahatma Gandhi by these criminals. They could not tolerate a Non Brahmin leading the Nation in freedom struggle. That is why, even now, you will find they keep on maligning him using al kinds of derogatory language. They even went to the extent of glorifying the terrorist, the extremist - Nathuram Godse. They keep on telling all kinds of stories making a great Hero out of this terrorist.
The real threat for this Nation is from no one else but these Bhataji's of India who are hell bent to divide the whole country for their own selfish goal of keeping themselves at dominant position always.
RE:These are ways to maintain Bhataji's Dominance
by mandar on Feb 12, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
Well said Pranav. Assasination of Mahatma Gandhi and trying to glorify an extremist like Nathuram Godse shows the real mindset of these people. To justify they give all types of colouring of Nationalism to his acts. How can it be ? That he did not agree with the principles of Gandhi, he did not like the way Gandhi acted can not be the reason to assasinate him. Terrorists do that kind of act. Terrorists do not agree with the acts of National leaders, so they start killing. There is absolutely no difference between Terrorists and this Nathuram.
RE:RE:These are ways to maintain Bhataji's Dominance
by Nikhil P on Feb 12, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
nathuram godse killed one person because his country was devided by islamists and secularists. you islamists didn't like gandhi anyway otherwise you would have listened to him and stopped asking for separate country. islamists kill everyday around the world. Why do you glorify isklam?
RE:RE:RE:These are ways to maintain Bhataji's Dominance
by mandar on Feb 12, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
First of all know the History properly and then write something. Do not just think in the same line that these stupid organisations false propoganda make you think.
The terrorists kill not the Islamists. Terrorists are terrorists. They do not have any religion. Whether it is Afzal Guru or Nathuram Godse, both are same. They do not have religion. They are just terrorists. There is no question of Hinduism or Islam here.
Dear Readers, Being a aurthodox Hindu I appreciate creating awarness among Hindus,for casteless,regionless,global unity,like other religions.But in the past this was tried by some leaders,but all these lived for short period.Normally politicians talk about religious unity to create vote bank,and for their survival. Another major weakness among Hindus is feeling inferior complex,I dont understand why a religion with the believers more than a billion is feeling insecure,inferior.All we have to do is creating casteless society,equality among all,unity among all,fighting unitedly for the right,avoiding narrow thinking,not pointing at others for our own fault. We had lot of customs which were blocking us in the path of developement,which are being now removed,and women are given equal rights etc.... We have good no of educated,business,management,technocrates...etc...but all are to be properly utilised for the social upliftment.The major issue is poverty in our society,the affluent must share something for these and contribute to the society. We always talk much,but do less.we always blame others for our own blunders/negligence etc..... Above all we must think that we have only one nation,to be proud about is Hindustan.Our leaders must govern this nation properly.But the shame for all Hindus is in this country also due to their internal fight a foreigner is treated as a national leader than them.For all these Hindu leadership has to be blamed.Their factionalism is most dangerous to the nation than anybody. Please dont show our finger at anybody,nobody says u dont be united,we dont want to be united. History is- due to our fight few foreigners have ruled crores of Hindus and made them slaves.This shows our unity? and if the same situation continued in our country always PM,president,&all CM's will be non Hindus.Please dont blame others,we have to be blamed ourselves for all these, finally the time is not lost ,now also we can think,realise,and be practical on this and can be strong enough to fight for any situation. Hinduism should not be after politicians,let the politicians be after Hinduism for their survival,then things will change. Even a country like USA taking owth of elected rep.on Bible is considered as national custom,but How many Elected Hindus take owth on Holy GEETA? we are very weak in self respect,we respect for western culture more than ours,We respect english more than our mothertoungue,what else? My fellow brothers and sisters,first we will clean our society,create awareness among us,spread the spiritualism/brotherhood in our own society,then see the oceanic change.......... This sanathana Dharma was born with this universe,and this will be till the end of this universe,because this is manava dharma. parties like VHP.....will come and go,leaders may come and go...govt.will come and fall....but this manava dharma Hinduism will remain till the sun and moon. OHM SHANTI....SHANTI..SHANTIHI..... BE A HINDU BE PROUD TO BE HINDU..Dont bother for silly politicians....politics is their business. JAI HIND.
So there we are. Its Open as the sky. Using the Muslims as a tool to acheive Hindu Unity ?
Be united by all means(Shouldnt that have been the case anyway?) But can you be less paranoid about muslims. I mean, its too much now. Its sickening to say the least. Why not be united without having to portray muslims in the ugliest picture? Have a life people. Do you really have to hate muslims to prove yourself a good hindu.
Some messages say , we got to get rid of castes to be united? huh? Get rid of castes just to be united? Well Hello! Its wrong to have had the Caste System in the first Place! Wasnt it ? ( I know you will start the sunni-shia bla bla, but let me make it clear, Islam doesnt have caste system. Shiism is a difference of belief, not an inferior/superior caste.) And I am sure absolutely that these same people were despising muslims in other forums for being a lame-duck Vote Bank ?? Now even you want to follow the same , How Clever ;) Really I can tell you , India is all about adopting others cultures, thats why we will have a All Hindu Vote Bank similar to Muslim Vote bank? We are really progressing. Never mind that only 50% of muslims cast their vote. Women even dont come out to vote in most places!
Stop being Paranoid. And ask yourself. Does this most economocially,socially backward community with hardly a presence in Military/Govt/Industry , which is so handicapped that goes back 10 years everytime a riot occours , give a run for your religion?? LOGIC says NO, But then what will you want to do ? Defy Logic and any "inner voice"(sic!). You want to go with the flow. Hating Muslims at the smallest pretext. Thats the in-thing. A Fashion Statement. Patriotism. And hating muslims would surely give you a sense of pride on being a hindu , if not anything else.
And the out come ?
Next time a riot occours , and you see muslims beaten black n blue , both by hindu mobs as well as police. Take pride in that and give a pat on your back, for a job well done. Or more patriotically say "they deserve it"
RE:Muslims as a tool to unite Hindus???
by Manoj Bhadani on Feb 12, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
Dear Friend,
What you say above seems to be the actual flow looking at the events which have taken place in history. There is no doubt that what has happenned in the last 50 years will throw light on the turn of events. What India always wanted was a progressive goverment... What it received was not the same. If India has developed then thanks to the determination of few leaders and honest citizens who have done their part of the job well. It hardly matters which areas they have been working on. VHP and parties like it will always emanate when there is an opportunity. Lets take the congress party... who have ruled the country for most of the time. If we go back to pre-independence era, I do not think that it would have been the same status wherein the difference between the communities was so evident. What Congress achieved during this time or intended to do is keep the vote banks uneducated....be it Muslims, or UP or Bihar for that matter. During time though people like Lalu and Mulayam have hijacked their agenda. VHP is only a raw form of protest to highlight this sectarian politics played by these shrewd leaders. Any other leader protesting this in a secular way will be branded as playing right wing politics. Muslims will remain uneducated till the time their votes are polarised by the moolahs and will give rise to low literacy rates etc. I have not seen any Muslim who is educated and remains unemployed. Govt jobs do not form any basis of identifying whether Muslims are working there or not. Remember it is the same Congress who had a say in the govt. over these years.
The Congress and Communists have lost track and failed to identify the real issues. They are still not done and completed on their agendas. As I said earlier only gritty people like VHP will come out openly against their agendas. Any clear headed and honest opinion given by anybody will be termed as somebody non secular. What is required from the so called secular parties is leave religion to the people who practice it and concentrate only on development of the society as a whole.
RE:RE:Muslims as a tool to unite Hindus???
by Observer Observer on Feb 12, 2007 09:51 AM Permalink
Give me a reference about how Muslims treated the Quraish, and how Muslims were treated by Quresh, its becoming an in thing as pointed our the writer earlier to just blabber without any knowledge and refereces whatsoever , just plain lies like the Togadias and the Singhals.Shame on you that you think that LYING will get you somewhere, or are ytou proving that you are a good Hindu by writing lies.
RE:RE:RE:Muslims as a tool to unite Hindus???
by pieceful on Feb 12, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
According to Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280 - The prophet Muhammad (PBUH) headed an army of three thousand infantry men and thirty horsemen of Ansar (Helpers) and Muhajireen (Emigrants) and attacked the Banu Quraysh. This siege lasted 25 days. Finally the Banu Quraysh surrendered unconditionally. Muhammad ordered that the men be handcuffed, while the women and children were isolated in confinement. Thereupon Al-Aws tribe interceded begging the Prophet to be lenient towards them. Muhammad suggested that Sa'd bin Mu'adh, a former ally, be deputed to give verdict about them, and they agreed. Sa'd's verdict who had received as a serious wound in the previous Battle of the Confederates was "that all the able-bodied male persons belonging to the tribe should be killed, women and children taken prisoners and their wealth divided among the Muslim fighters.
The Muslims historians have been quick to bring baseless alibis to justify their raids against their victims like, they were "mischievous", causing "sedition" or being "treacherous" and "harboring against Islam". However there are absolutely NO specifics that exist, about the nature of those sins to warrant such a sever punishment and their total genocide. Trenches were dug in the bazaar of Medina and a number of Jews between six and nine hundred were beheaded therein. To separate men from the boys, the youngsters were examined and if they had grown any pubic hair, it was enough to behead them.
These are not lies, please visit www.faithfreedom.org for information about the origins of your religion.
