So now Indian would believe in Pakistan that they would not occupy Siachin after having experience in Kargil. Netas are there only to make money.They give a dam about security,most of them eg Manmohan etc have their kids safe in the west. It is Indian Army's fault who listens to them and obeys them at the cost of soldiers lives. It is Army's fault that they cannot not curtail militancy in Kashmir.Army should not advise rather dictate Govt to take decisions as per requirement.Netas are here only to plunder.
RE:Its army's fault
by Aditya on Feb 09, 2007 09:34 PM Permalink
I couldn't possibly disagree with you more. The army has done everything and then some for the protection of India. The Kargil war serves as the best example. All executive desicions come from the government (which unfortunately has historically been run by semi-literate moron politicians). Nonetheless, the point is that the army cannot make and act upon desicions of this matter by themselves, and I don't think you realize how important that is. If the army did do such things then India would be under one military dictatorship after another (I'm sure you don't need me to list examples of this phenomenon). The Indian army has been fighting with one arm tied behind their back ever since the birth of the nation. They are underfunded, poorly paid and not nearly as well equiped as they should be. Also in conflicts such as Kashmir, where the army should only play a limited part while looking for a political solution, they haven't got the support and are thus blamed for the faliure. It is the politicians and their poor desicion making that is at fault here.
RE:RE:Its army's fault
by Abhi on Feb 09, 2007 10:37 PM Permalink
Well, save me your intellectual claptrap and reasons as it has not produced results in two decades.Militancy continues to flourish.As per your words Govt has historically been run by semi-literate moron politicians and will continue to run in future and soldiers will keep dying tackling insurgency. Military dictatorship will be boon for India,as least they will exploit us once compared to new govts will exploit everytime they come into power.This multiparty democracy is sham is not for morally corrupt nations like India where horse trading is quite widespread.Politics is a business here. Pakistan is doing quite well under Musharraf, ecomomically as well.At least they dont have many insurgencies as we have.Kargil was blunder for Indian military.Your coveted Govt establishment could not purchase snow gears in time and caused a number of causality.If Indian Army is underfunded and not well equipped , it is their fault that they rely on corrupt government.Govt and politicians are doing their job i.e. making money , they may not win next election, so make as much as you can.
Indians don't learn from history. There was time that Afghans used to invade Somnath every year and again the locals used to put all their wealth and energy in rebuilding the temple just to see it demolished again by the muslim invaders.
Forward to 1999, Pakistanis broke their promise to keep the northern demarcated LOC to be demilitarized, but to our 'surpirse' again we found out that our soldiers are gettin ambushed by these jehadis.
Forward to 2007, the liberal Indians have again signed a deal to demilitarize Siachen, but the heavy price of this blunder will be paid again by our brave soldiers.
We Punjabis have a saying about the Pakistanis,'Picchon war kardey han', which basically means 'they will attack you in the back' when you least expect it. But the stupid PM and his masters are too busy making our future and that of our children's future dependent on the 'promises' of these Mullahs.
I guess they have more faith on the perpetrator of Kargil (Musharraf) than on the those who are warning them not to trust them.
It would be a grave mistake if troops are withdrawn without authentication on ground the position of troops. Why have the Pakistanis not agreed for is that they could rake it up later like the Kashmir problem.They must agree to realities on ground before any agreement on demilitarisation is signed. The Indian establishment must not forget the martyres with whose blood we are holding the position in Siachin. Government is working under US pressure and our country must rise as one to make sure that our troops are not made to pay by their blood merely because politicians want to get a berth for noble nomination and oblige their masters in the US. The hardliners in Pakistan will not sit in peace merely because US wants the General to continue to serve US interest. One day we shall have to face it again and then there will be bloodshed in those snowcapped heights.
RE:Congress Selling India as usual.
by Saagar Bhatia on Feb 09, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
I AM SHOCKED to see that India is actually considering pulling its troops out after our soldiers died in heavy numbers to capture the Siachen glacier, where is the bjp now?
RE:RE:Congress Selling India as usual.
by SHAM SUNDER on Feb 09, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Congress is a party of Muslims .. Ireespective of India or Pakistan ... They ruled india for 50 years now ..but from Nehru's Menifesto to Rahul Ghandi's Menifesto .. One thing is comman ..Ghar,bijali,pani,food ...How many ur generations want to win using th same words ..why don't u fix them permanently
They are going to whatever pakistan want - to get muslim votes and to remain in power ..
Dirty people ... But they do this since most of the educated or uneducated hindu's don't go for vote on polling days
the stupidity of the Indian government and media on the pakistan peace initiative is sickening. as a power-to-reckon-with of the 21st century , the indian government sud start thinking in a more aggressive and pro-active way. after years of experience, it is flabbergasting to see indian government selling out vital national concerns to a pak gov. i am sure even d pak gov will be laughing in india's back that they are so easily taking dem for a ride. wat kinda gaurantee u r talkin abt? tomm pak wil hv a new gov, or a new military ruler and all these treaties will be thrown to the winds. dis wen kashmir insurgency is far from being abated and ISI is indulgin in nefarious activities in east and north east.
u can only adopt a carrot n stick policy wid a pak gov....but for our spineless gov it is only carrot and carrot. dey are selling out on us, just for garnering the muslim vote-bank. i mean, y do u vacate a vital siachen wen the whole military is advising oderwise? ok, it costs a lot to the tax payer, but that is miniscule and irrelevant for a country like india, in perspective of its importance.
wat will sonia gandhi do if pak occupies siachen tomm?..dey will ask our military to sacrifice 1000 lives to take it back? is dat a cost we are willing to pay for some crappy peace overtures?
the current peace intitiave is a mere hogwash by the pak gov, to lessen the pressure it is for harboring islamic terrorism. and india, instead of exploiting it to achieve its aim...is infact helping pak wriggle outta d cornered position it finds itself in.
how completely naive! nobody in s new world order will respect u if u dont show some teeth, tiger's teeth and not elephant's.
god save our country from dese mentally retarded politicians!
india more dan ne time in its history needs a ruthless dictator to set its political society in sync wid its economic prosperity.
RE:peace hung-ho
by R Singh on Feb 09, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
Indians don't learn from history. There was time that Afghans used to invade Somnath every year and again the locals used to put all their wealth and energy in rebuilding the temple just to see it demolished again by the muslim invaders. Forward to 1999, Pakistanis broke their promise to keep the northern demarcated LOC to be demilitarized, but to our 'surpirse' again we found out that our soldiers are gettin ambushed by these jehadis.
Forward to 2007, the liberal Indians have again signed a deal to demilitarize Siachen, but the heavy price of this blunder will be paid again by our brave soldiers.
We Punjabis have a saying about the Pakistanis,'Picchon war kardey han', which basically means 'they will attack you in the back' when you least expect it. But the stupid PM and his masters are too busy making our future and that of our children's future dependent on the 'promises' of these Mullahs.
I guess they have more faith on the perpetrator of Kargil (Musharraf) than on the those who are warning them not to trust them.
RE:RE:peace hung-ho
by AMLAN NANDA on Feb 09, 2007 08:45 PM Permalink
thanks man...! its difficult to find ppl like u and me, who think wid dere brains,
i am only 20 years old, but i am hopeless of indian government whose policy i have observed for the last 5-6 years intimately.
i wil b leaving dis country in next few months, for a more fair system and may b for more mullah. i know a lot of to-be-intellectuals , the youth,who will do d same. dey r all tired of the system. d system of india. yes, we will send forex to india, swell its economy through FDI 10 years hence.
but ,and i am echoing a lot of best-brains-of-d country, our heart is filled wid guilt that we will rendering our country devoid of prime intellectual-capital.... and we cannot do nethin abt it, coz d country itself is not acknowleding the loss.
a america values india's best brains,but our own gov is set in selling the country to d dogs wid its pathetic reservation policies and dese external policies that sap us of national pride.
RE:RE:peace hung-ho
by Imran Parihar on Feb 09, 2007 09:04 PM Permalink
India SHOULD NEVER make this deal, Pak cannot be trusted. They will go for Siachen. The entire nation must protest any such foolish moves by the government. Its not about Hindu or Muslim, its about the nation. I dont think any Indian should vote for a government that would compromise National security.
