Why should anyone learn Kannada because they live in Bangalore. First of all, Bangalore is multi-cultural and one can survive of Hindi. If one can survive of Hindi then why learn any local language. Isnt that the idea behind 'national language'. There was a comment earlier saying that North Indians don't learn Kannada when in Bangalore, but if you know Hindi and I know Hindi, then there is no use for me to learn Kannada. I would never disrepect your language but there is no reason for me to learn it either.
RE:Kannada
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
its better to return fire to that particular individual, than fire at a mob and expect flowers in return. well, in any case we are a free country and anyone can live in any part of the country freely. its just that we were linguistically divided and now the politicians and greedy self centred individuals use the same tool to divide us again. just play ball, and try some national integration instead of returning fire with fire. maybe its nice to spray some water to calm the fire!
RE:RE:Kannada
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 02:08 AM Permalink
national integration is done through communication and since we both know hindi then we should communicate. we dont need to learn another language to try communicate when we can do that now with hindi
RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 09, 2007 02:47 AM Permalink
hello, hi, moshi moshi, wai, habari yako, hola, as salaam alekum and above all Namaste Uttar pradesh, all above are a simple greetings which convey welcome and love. Learn to be more positive instead of just Hindi. Communication at it's best is thru the expression and compassion.
RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 02:29 AM Permalink
national integration isnt done by communication with ANY particular language. its by a persons' heart and intentions to unite. you dont need hindi to unite people. Hindi will help us have a seamless linguistic experience since its a national laguage. heck, i'd been to tamil nadu recently where the taxiwallah dint speak hindi... but by jove! he spoke flawless english and we connected very well. the language wasnt important at all. just that he understood my problems to get across to another place in a hurry. i tried my broken tamil with him, as he dint know hindi. but he inturrupted to speak in english - much to my joy and surprise!
RE:RE:Kannada
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 01:54 AM Permalink
why do they teach Hindi in Karnataka schools. its so that everyone can communicate in an Indian language. No North Indian disrepects Kannada but there is no reason to learn it either.
When in Rome be a Roman, When in INDIA be an INDIAN. I think Hindi is as INDIAN as any other indian languages. When in North Kar, do you learn their dilect or speak in your own dilect of Kannada.
RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by karthik venki on Feb 09, 2007 02:05 AM Permalink
There is absolutely no reason to learn Hindi. Hindi is spoken only in UP, MP, Bihar, HP. These states are still in ancient civilization and have not contributed anything to the Indian economy. These people are dumb bunnies. Karnataka is a progressive state and it is in your own interest to learn Kannada and assimilate in a progressive culture.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 09, 2007 02:17 AM Permalink
karthik venki, your name is as sick as your message. Karnatak belongs to our India and not to you, so leave off these unnecessary arguments which nobody wins, only saner persons understands. you are not karnatak nor is karnatak you. karnatak belongs to us Indians. Any indian citizen has a born indian right to settle anywhere on Indian soil, and language does not matter. The language of understanding and feelings are above your language.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by karthik venki on Feb 09, 2007 02:14 AM Permalink
You are so narrow minded Mr. Uttar Pradesh.. Why should people in Karnataka know Hindi ???? Well, if a Kannadiga goes and settles down in UP, then he can learn Hindi. Otherwise there is absolutely no reason to learn Hindi.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by Joy Felix on Feb 09, 2007 02:12 AM Permalink
Hi Venki, It is predominanty North Indian leadership and the Jawans gives India [Including Karnataka [Kannada] this progress and security. So do not abuse NI like you do to Tamils. All most all you have is provided by the Indian union, which is having NI as majority. Please do not forget NI even accepted your mediocre Deva Gowda as PM. Be Thankful.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
quite true that its predominantl north indians in the leadership and jawans that protect the country. its a nice thing to remember - but not to remind like you chose to do so divisively. it also speaks of the imbalance in the political and the army spheres of how biased a situation is! funny that you chose to say it!
"All most all you have is provided by the Indian union, which is having NI as majority." preposterous statements, and quite divisive. if you are not adding value positively, you chose to further trolls and divisive elements, and fall into the trap that you want to avoid!
its patronizing the way you chose to put it, and quite biased.
RE:RE:Kannada
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 01:52 AM Permalink
While in Rome be a Roman... maybe this can be put in a courteous way. while learning kannada is not compulsory , its nice to learn the language and maybe mingle with the locals. i'd do the same if i were in another state!
RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 01:55 AM Permalink
i agree but to use the argument that all north indians MUST learn kannada is counter productive.
RE:RE:Kannada
by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 09, 2007 02:03 AM Permalink
you are a sick person. Think of India as a complete country beyond pakistan on the west and bangladesh, nepal, bhutan on the east instead of just thinking about karnataka and language. Languages are several and India is One and so is its all the resources. Do not involve into mentally unbalanced thinking and think about the people of our India, our languages are supreme and ancient, think positive and work positively for the welfare of our mother India.
RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 02:07 AM Permalink
what the heck r u trying to say. r u saying that we should learn kannada when in karnataka or not. No one says india is not one. Because India is one, we can all speak Hindi which is understandable by people in the north and by people in karnataka so my point is that when people say we should learn kannada when in karnataka, its not a valid arguement
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by karthik venki on Feb 09, 2007 02:10 AM Permalink
You will be the first person to learn Tamil when you go to Tamil Nadu. Or else they wont let you live in peace..
Just because Kannadigas are not assertive doesnt qualify you to rile the language. Kannadigas have 7 Gnanapeetha awards and the literature and culture is superior to any other regional language or Hindi. Thats why you should learn Kannada when you are in Karnataka
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by karthik venki on Feb 09, 2007 02:18 AM Permalink
Hey Uttar Pradesh,
You are talking about bengali and telugu literatures about which you have no clue. actually, you have no clue on Indian literature. Talking to you on this matter is a waste of time.
Recap: If you want to live in Karnataka, learn Kannada. If you dont want to learn well go to Hyderabad or Chennai. Those guys boast that they have millions of jobs. So why dont you go there and leave Karnataka for us. We will be happy to be by ourselves.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 02:13 AM Permalink
learning a language because of awards is stupid for the lay man. communication is the most important thing and if u know hindi and i know hindi then there is no reason for me to learn kannada.
Besides Kannada doesnt have quite the literature that tamil, bengali, telugu, etc have so everyone can create that argument that we should learn their language. then what is the use of u studying hindi in school.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 09, 2007 02:31 AM Permalink
not to say anything stupid and nonsensical, it is better to wrap up and say all languages are good and worth to learn despite anybody having a valid point. So all of us better shut up, close this silly subject about karnatak and do a constructive work for the progress of our mother India.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by amalai on Feb 09, 2007 03:05 AM Permalink
Nobody has to leave Karnataka as long it is part of India. If they want they can fight for a separate country and then everyone would leave :-)
I am not sure what percent of people speak Tulu in Mangalore. If it is deemed that Tulu is the majority language and should you decide to live in Mangalore for the rest of your life, then LEARN TULU. BTW, Mangaloreans also speak the best and the purest form of Kannada !! That shows their loyalty to Kannada..
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 02:09 AM Permalink
most people from bangalore dont learn tulu when in mangalore. they are content to speak kannada to people there in mangalore. if these people are not willing to adapt due to practical reason (everyone knowing kannada), then there is no reason to expect north indians to learn kannada either
RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 01:56 AM Permalink
exactly. These bangalorites wont learn Tulu or even another dilect of Kannada but they expect us to speak like them even if they know Hindi. Then what is the use of learning hindi.
The reason why we learn Hindi in Karnataka is for national integration so we can all communicate in an Indian language
RE:RE:RE:Kannada
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 02:06 AM Permalink
if you go by your convenience, and like picking the local lingo... at least i'd definetely try and pick the local lingo and dialect. in a free country like ours, there's ought to be no rules - that when in a particular state you have to learn the local language or face any consequence! the whole premise of a linguistic divide seems to be the divisive factor not.
RE:Disputed state
by karthik venki on Feb 09, 2007 01:53 AM Permalink
Karnataka is the only progressive state and thats why everybody is jealous of it. Remember the dialogue from movie 'Guru'. Karnataka tarakki kar rahi hai bhai. Without Karnataka, South India is shitty.
RE:RE:Disputed state
by Southie on Feb 09, 2007 01:59 AM Permalink
why r u saying south india is shitty. Without the telugus, bangalore will a city with lots of computers and no programmers
RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by smash on Feb 09, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
who told u that ? urself ..... LOL never ever think so.... by mistake if you think so, go n improve ur places..
RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by prashanthmanae on Feb 09, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
who the hell told u that there are not able people in karnataka...if u guys were better programmers then why didnt all software companies go to hyderabad ???? why do u guys come to karnataka for jobs????
RE:RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by Southie on Feb 09, 2007 02:04 AM Permalink
because bangalore has good weather and need to improve its industry. Hyderabad and Chennai were historically bigger and had better economy. The Indian government wanted to set something up so Kar can be successful too.
If you had lots of programmers, why is it being dominated by telugus. Why do telugus make more and better quality IIT graduates than Kar.
I am not saying Kar is a bad place but you people should really stop saying south india (outside Kar) is shitty.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 02:22 AM Permalink
"there was a decision make in the 50s and everyone wanted the IT industry in their state. "
i hope you mean electronics ? there was no IT industry as we know now in the 50s FIY!!! and surely not this lucrative too!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by Southie on Feb 09, 2007 02:15 AM Permalink
my prashanthmanae
please read the strategy of the government when the IT industry was really setup in India. there was a decision make in the 50s and everyone wanted the IT industry in their state. Madras presidency wanted it too and had great argument why it should have been there but the minister at that time decided that since Madras presidency had both chennai and hyderabad, bangalore should be setup as IT
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by karthik venki on Feb 09, 2007 02:43 AM Permalink
Karnataka had no problems even before the advent of IT. We had all comanies like: ITI, BEL, BHEL, BEML, HAL, ADA, ISRO. So economy and employment was not an issue.
AP has more population and that gets translated into higher IIT numbers.
Accept this fact buddy: A decade ago Hyderabad was in shambles. Every Telugu guy was looking for the first opportunity to sneak into Bangalore.
Even now Chennai is in shambles. Fishing, shipping were the major industries until recently. Bangalore was much better at all times.
If you really thing AP or TN is better then why dont you go back????
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 02:19 AM Permalink
"The Indian government wanted to set something up so Kar can be successful too. " - i'm having a good laugh. bangalore clicked because of a variety of factors, amongst many - infosys was one.
"Why do telugus make more and better quality IIT graduates than Kar." - nothing but a troll, there's no one out there certifying a mere language making people superior.
"why is it being dominated by telugus" - there are no numbers that say telugu people are outnumbering the kannadigas, if there's a reason its more to do with social and population. andha is a much bigger state, and andhraiites have a much more compelling reasons socially to become a software engg. (pardon my crude logistics, i did my studies in AP and have a lot of friends from AP and thus have been privy to the social conditions prevailing. look around you , see how much compulsions people have going to the USA for a better dowry. not that this is only in andra, its there in most communities and across india, just that the compulsions are more in that part of the country, i might be wrong , but at least i do not have a bias saying this region is better or this region is worse off)
" stop saying south india (outside Kar) is shitty." - true, whoever said that was a troll, and meant to entice you into saying soemthing against ktk. so why do you want to stoop to thier levels ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by prashanthmanae on Feb 09, 2007 02:08 AM Permalink
dude...it was not my comment...anyway in that case then all the computer in the should have been in andhra ???why didnt anyone go thr and all came to karnataka...the central govt has got nothing to do with this...its kar ability that it is branded among worlds no 1 cities not by anybodys obligation!!!!
RE:RE:Disputed state
by Vijay Raj on Feb 09, 2007 03:03 AM Permalink
Well, whenever there is interstate dispute (esp with Tamilnadu) you people will suddenly go for black out of tamil channels, cinemas etc., Are you not ashamed of being a party for it? Can you give us anyone instant,in which a state bans the product of other state wheneever a problem arise? (Don't quote Assam) they are done by terroists (ULFA). Believe you karnatakans do fit into it. Who asked you not to protest for these issuse? But don't protest at the cost of national intergity
RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 04:24 AM Permalink
quite true. its disgusting the way fundamental rights of citizens are broken - tv channels being blocked - do we live in a dictatorial regime ? cable tv operators are responsible, and if it continues people should go to satellite based tv which really isnt a good option for those looking for value. its sad that no one has filed a PIL regarding the same, and also the tv operators who ban certain channels be punished.
national integrity and fundamental rights come first. look how regional bias, linguistic differences light up this forum!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by Rationalist on Feb 10, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
Mr.Rayker, when u feel PIL has 2 b filed here for blocking Tamil channels in KA, y dont u feel the same has to b done in TN for blocking KA channels. Just bcos Kannadigas r sober, they dont demand anything & just get used 2 wach whtevr is available u accept that KA need not b aired in TN. Stop playing pseudo secularist.
RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by Rationalist on Feb 09, 2007 08:41 PM Permalink
Dont teach us National integrity.V r step ahead in beleiving whole world should b integreated (VISHWA MANAVA concept of late Gnanapeeta awardee Sri KUVEMPU). But rest r simply not understanding. They seem 2 have all allied against KA for sin of allowing them to thrive in. In TN even in normal times there is no Kannada channel. Kannadigas(few) simply get used to waching Tamil channels there. But u expect all luxuries here.Tamils r crazy people.They can skip food but cant stay without watching TV & movies(only Tamil).
RE:RE:RE:Disputed state
by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 09, 2007 03:04 AM Permalink
prashanthmanae, your name prashanth is good and i do not know what does manae means. Karanataka belongs to India and so also the cauvery belongs to India and the indians. Please do not be under the false illusion that karnataka is a different territory, because karnataka is a part of India and cauvery river is a small rivulet and is a part of India alone. Be good and think nationalistic, not just for the state where you live and were born, but our complete Nation.
RE:Disputed state
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 01:37 AM Permalink
by your trollish statement you might also extend the same logic with the Indian republic. we have ltte/ Srilanka, Pakistan, china, Burma, Bangladesh as our neighbours with whom we had trouble. and clearly we weren't the aggressors with any of these.
play good, play fair, try national integration for a change.
RE:Disputed state
by Sanjitarani Santra on Feb 09, 2007 01:44 AM Permalink
I am not from any south Indian state But I have been in south India for long time,Kannadas are one of the best people in India. But Kauvery problem has nothing to do with them so much personally,how much water they can give,after all the cities are growing fast inside Karnataka too. There are lots of rain in Tamilnadu and they should start growing proects seriously on saving water for bad weather. Water is a big problem for Tmilnadu but they do get lot of rain too. So better to think positively and act accordingly.And think rationally before you bring racial things.
RE:RE:Disputed state
by suresh n on Feb 09, 2007 02:03 AM Permalink
Oh my God.... in which world are you??? Do you think TN gets enough rainfalls??? Have u ever been to TN??? Man wake up.... why the hell we are asking water if there are so much rains??? Dude if you dont know don't comment on the article. Take Care, nsuresh_rasr
RE:RE:Disputed state
by prashanthmanae on Feb 09, 2007 01:46 AM Permalink
Sanjitarani Santra i agree with u...that dumb ass has not been here...so he dosent know about it!!! :)
RE:Disputed state
by prashanthmanae on Feb 09, 2007 01:41 AM Permalink
whr the hell ru from....????whn u dont know about things dont talk about it???? karnataka is 100 times better then any other state or whr ever ur from...if not this wouldnt be called the silicon valley of india...neither would so many software companies come here...and nor would thousands of people from other parts of india come here...
RE:RE:Disputed state
by mahesh sawant on Feb 09, 2007 02:56 AM Permalink
I truely agree with amar .. karnatka .. is the wrost state who has lots of problem with all nieghbours, belgaun issue with maharstra .
RE:RE:Disputed state
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 09, 2007 01:57 AM Permalink
Kannadigas are nice except in the 90s when they killed 19 people. Stop saying anyone is nice or bad because like the Kannadigas there is good and bad people in every society. So dont make out like Kannadigas are better than anyone else.
Folks, Let's not curse each other on this subject...after all we are all INDIANS and each state is equally dependent on one another. Cauvery sharing is a sensitive 'bread and butter issue' for so many farmers in both the states and let's not fight in this forum. If somebody has valid thoughts/suggestions, let's post it. Mere shouting comments doesn't do any good.
RE:Let's be responsible!
by mahendra ganesan on Feb 09, 2007 02:06 AM Permalink
No Indian or Tamil Indian or Kannada Indian is cursing each other. They are completly differnt A.. H.... sitting some whereelse in pak cursing us and creating rift here all people ignore if some A.. H... is infurieating u.
And do not even answer if it is fanatic, nasistic or not relevent.
RE:RE:RE:Let's be responsible!
by Vijay Raj on Feb 09, 2007 03:11 AM Permalink
I was taught that education reforms man. Has it failed in your case Karthik? Grow up write some reasonable comments.. don't terroise this forum. justbecause you have freedom to voice your views doesn't mean that you can put some rubbish down here
guys...stop abusing each other and any language...only the politicians are responsible for all this...they are the ones who are causing problems...but it is really unfair for karnataka...there should be equal water distribution for both the states...moreover cauvery belongs to karnataka and this govt has to decide who gets how much ....
RE:cauvery
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 01:39 AM Permalink
"moreover cauvery belongs to karnataka" NO, cauvery belongs to INDIA! not karnataka. karnataka is NOT a country to own cauvery.
RE:RE:cauvery
by prashanthmanae on Feb 09, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
cauvery was born in karnataka....so it belongs to karnataka...we people worshipp it if u didnt know!!!!
RE:RE:RE:cauvery
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 02:01 AM Permalink
so what if we worship it - its a different issue altogether, people worship the ganges in the north, but it does not mean that ganges belongs to the state where it originates. similarly cauvery doesnt belong to us. water is a resource that we share till the length of the river. its good to know that you honour and cherish water resources, but i guess we have to be fair to all.
the dispute between the states is an entirely different issue, i guess we arent competent enough to decide who gets how much. but just that its nice to play fair, and not entice people and be trollish. we are only promoting hatred if we are too selfish.
RE:RE:RE:RE:cauvery
by prashanthmanae on Feb 09, 2007 02:10 AM Permalink
we are not being selfish here...why not both get equal share...dosent that make sense and justice????
To all u kannadigas ...why dnt u guys hav an agreetment with TN...U guys stop the water and let them stop sending Power ...I think that'd be a fair deal..ah..I dnt think u guys wud hav prob pumping water manually without a motor...ask uar MPs to propose this in t parliment. TN is planning to set up a desalination plant ,,,the entire bay of bengal is on their side....guess they should'nt worry abt water anymore. Karnataka 's IT industry will start using Abacus again without power to run their Supercomputers...!!
RE:An Agreement
by vinnie n on Feb 09, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
We too have nuclear plants kiga at karwar and sharing with other states. Funny thing is that we get less electric power in that too compare to other state. Unjustice to Karnataka all the ways. Actual problem with karnataka is less population compare to other state. If we kick out all outside, we will also be rich and string in this world
RE:RE:An Agreement
by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 09, 2007 03:33 AM Permalink
hello vinnie, i do not know from where the 'shetty's are, and if they are from karnataka, they have made maharashtra their home and have seemingly overcome most of the wineshops and permit rooms in mumbai. Mumbaikars are tolerant and have allowed them. Shetty's are also known for their bad deeds. We the mumbaikars are tolerating them. Karnatkis are spoiling mumbai. forget about kiga at karwar and kicking out the outsiders, because they are not, and are our indian brethren. Seive out the bangladeshis, nepalis, pakistanis and kick them out individually and not your indian brothers and sisters. If there are no pakistani infiltrators in bangalore, then kick each other yourselves for thinking about this un nationalistic way. C'mon we all are indians and all are one. Be co-operative and serve our motherland instead of bickering/arguing about karnataka/language. All the best to you and to us all to defend our nation.
RE:RE:RE:An Agreement
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 04:34 AM Permalink
"Karnatkis are spoiling mumbai." on one hand you want to promote unity, and on another you want to promote hatred by singling out communities (shettys) and making sweeping statements. by your measure, ALL mumbaikars should be ideal persons and are just and righteous ?
mumbai is the financial capital of india, it has dereived the energies of all communities, and the best talents from all over india. thats what makes mumbai great. a good analogy would be USA becoming successful because of migrant talent pools. its lame to say that mumbaikars are pristine and with only them the city would be perfectly in order and all the achievements still on. c'mon give us a break and stop being biased. mumbai's a great place, and i wish there was equal opportunity everywhere, and the spread of wealth is even throughout india. that ways people dont have to migrate too much (there will be some migration for sure, this is a free country, and people can anyday migrate). but, given equal opportunities, we all would like to stay where our roots are! peace.
RE:RE:RE:An Agreement
by Rationalist on Feb 09, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
There was one good time in history that Mumbai was kannada land(till Portugese left Mumbai). No wonder there places still bearing Kannada names(not yet renamed) transformed to the comfort of pronounciation of later settelters.
Any time the cauvery dispute arises Karntaka folks start crying foul of Tamilians and want them to leave the state. Let me tell you now. Tamilians will leave Bangalore when the Central goverment pull backs all its investment from Karnataka and stops investing any more of central goverment money in Karnataka. Even if 1 Rupee of central goverment money is spent/invested in Karnataka that means every Indian has a right to come to Karnataka. Think of all the central goverment investments in and sround Bangalore -- HAL, BEL, IISc, roads etc. Don't you think revenue from Tamilnadu are not a part of this. So stop this dumb stupid cry asking Tamilians to leave Karnataka. Only stupid people do the same tupid thing again and again but expect a different result every time. Any time the water dispute arises you stupid guys start asking Tamilians to leave Bangalore. Thats sooooo dumb. That is not going to happen until we two become different countries.
