Hi, The main thing which the writer thinks the verdict as flawed is the GroundWater in TN which > that in Karnataka with respect to the cauvery basin. This is definitely true but it should be kept in mind that GroundWater is replinished only when water flows in cauvery downstream (or) the rains.. The problem comes when there is drought. During excess,this problem does not arise at all.
GroundWater is renewable resource only when river has water or rains come.
So my view is GroundWater might not be a suitable factor to decide that this verdict to be flawed in presence of drought conditions.
Dear readers, Rediff is the only one who gives maximum opportunity to readers to participate in discussion on certain value based issues.If one does't like it dont participate.If u have points to argue u can argue.just dont blame,scholars like discussion/arguements.people who have empty minded get angry and fight. IF SOME ONE SAYS REDIFF. HAS TO STOP THIS IT IS NOT GOING TO STOP. WE LIKE REDIFF,WE LIKE MR.HIMANSHU THACKAR LIKE PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD WITH THEIR VIEWS/COUNTER VIEWS.KNOWLEDGE GROWS ONLY WHEN YOU LEARN/READ/LISTEN/DISCUSSION/ARGUEMENTS/COUNTERARGUEMENTS/& GROUP DISCUSSIONS. CONGRATS HIMANSHU,KEEP IT UP. ONLY OUR TRAGEDY IS WE ARE NOT MATURED ENOUGH TO READ,UNDERSTAND,AND TO ARGUE WITH U. THANK U REDIFFMAIL,FOR UR SERVICE TO US.
RE:Cauvery dispute/Mimanshu Thackar.
by EDITOR on Feb 07, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
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RE:Cauvery dispute/Mimanshu Thackar.
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Well said Mr.shetty. if someone does not like the article, dont read it. if facts hurt, who is at fault? the writer? if one is looking thru colored glasses, dont blame rediff or the writer for the facts that exist. yes, lets agrue/counter argue. that way many things can be solved. put forward the facts, discuss. that is the right way. thank you rediff & himanshu.
RE:RE:Cauvery dispute/Mimanshu Thackar.
by vishwanath shetty on Feb 07, 2007 01:16 PM Permalink
Dear Readers, come out and support rediffmail for their great service to the nation/scholars. Mr.Himanshu we are with u go ahead,come out with facts.we are with u. Thank U rediff staff,dont worry,write more articles,always truth wins. History is the proof. MAY GOD BLESS REDIFF-TEAM & SHRI.HIMANSHU.
RE:RE:Give Cauvery back or we will become a seperate country ......
by on Feb 07, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
sari sir sorry ...... atleast message was apt right .......
RE:RE:Give Cauvery back or we will become a seperate country ......
by Rohit S on Feb 07, 2007 01:05 PM Permalink
Given the lack of political space for Karnataka for its lower population density, and the partisan approach played by the Union, I fear more Kannadigas will now clammer for freedom. In any case, Karnataka does not have the woes that beleagure the rest of the Union - illiteracy, population, casteism, lawlessness. Also State GDP is growing at over 14% against Union rate of 9% (http://mospi.nic.in/6_gsdp_cur_9394ser.htm). This despite not having any minister to influence growth.
It would be great if the table in your article has the hydrological contribution of each state rather than just the catchment areas. As you might be well aware of ..for e.g. Kerala might constitute only 3.33% of the area, but the concentrated rainfall in that area, might cause it to contribute 5-10% of the total utilisable flows (of 740 TMC) alloted by the Tribunal.
Also, could you let us know the data source of the numbers (for utilisable surface water and replenishable groundwater)?
This article is misconceived and seems to be motivated. After 16years of research and deliberations by experts , here comes the 'expert'who scoffs at the methodology of award. Why didn't he advise Fali Nariman ? If k'taka feels aggrieved, why are the protestors targeting the tamil poulation there ? They should deal with the award by going in for appeal/review etc (legal means).As it has happened before ,some motivated elements in the state use every opportunity to spew venom on tamils. It would appear that the real issue is not water dispute but it is the malice towards the neighbour.
RE:karnataka agitation
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
who is himanshu to advise fali nariman. himanshu is a reporter for rediff. he did his job. amma, shashikala, did you read todays news papers in bangalore. if not please read it. inspite of a adverse verdict karnataka has a lot to smile. and inspite of a favourable tamilnadu is still lot to cry.... as for attacks on tamils, it is bad and has to be stopped and condemned. so far no reports on violence against tamils has been reported. malice towards neighbour, you said. for what? because karnataka has a better standing in todays world.
you should remember that karnataka is the only state in south that accepts people from other states without any malice. i am also an outsider, from kerala. i appreciate the good heart of kannadigas that they can accomodate outsiders without any problem. Outsiders should learn to behave when they are in a different land. that is the basic rule. or you will get paid in your own coin. what is wrong with agitation in karnataka on cauvery issue. they are merely asking for a clear verdict which has clarity on the importrant aspects like sharing of water during distress/drought years. is it a crime asking for it?
shortly you can see both karunanidhi and jayalalitha again at the tribunal with another case that they did not get what they wanted. this is what happens when you suppress the actual facts to make short term gains.
RE:RE:karnataka agitation
by The Lion on Feb 07, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
Dear Raja Krsnan - you are the next and everybody who are not from KTA. recent incidents clearly shows KTA exteme elements being restless on seeing all sort of ppl there. Take this in:
when there came suggestion for nominating a non-kannada actually a mallu there was good extreme opposing for it. (Meanwile Mr.Nambiar was contesting in chennai on behalf of BJP and nothing was absorbed for it there)
The issue of laying over tax over other language movies including from kerala (kelara actors who visited b'luru mouthed over it).
The actress whom played game in the issue of sabarimala. While the issue was been discussed by the kerla Assembly, the extreme elements were threatening for no one can accuse or arrest a kannada.
Take care!
Nothing but bengaluru has to come over like mumbai after sometime hitches.
RE:RE:karnataka agitation
by The Lion on Feb 07, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
Dear, you are the next and everybody who are from KTA. recent incidents clearly shows KTA exteme elements being restless on seeing all sort of ppl there. Take this in:
when there came suggestion for nominating a non-kannada actually a mallu there was good extreme opposing for it. (Meanwile Mr.Nambiar was contesting in chennai on behalf of BJP and nothing was absorbed for it there)
The issue of laying over tax over other language movies including from kerala (kelara actors who visited b'luru mouthed over it).
The actress whom played game in the issue of sabarimala. While the issue was been discussed by the kerla Assembly, the extreme elements were threatening for no one can accuse or arrest a kannada.
Take care!
Nothing but bengaluru has to come over like mumbai after sometime hitches.
RE:karnataka agitation
by Lucifer Sam on Feb 07, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
fantastic. where do you live? what has happened to the tamils here? from your outburst, we clearly know who is spewing venom with malice and who is keeping peace.
RE:RE:karnataka agitation
by shashikala p on Feb 07, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
Either you must be a dumbo or a veera kannadiga masquerading under a anglicised name.I live in your city only. You dont seem to ack the attacks on tamils in the past.And now, why shd tamil channels go off air? Why shd transport services come to a halt betwn two states? Who creates the fear psychosis ?Is this not malice?
RE:RE:RE:karnataka agitation
by Balaraja ML on Feb 07, 2007 01:12 PM Permalink
madam.. Tamil channels go off air only for few days in Karnataka.. but in Tamilnadu you people will not allow kannada channels the whole year.. do you know that.??
RE:RE:RE:RE:karnataka agitation
by buska O on Feb 09, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
Mr, i am a non kannadiga, still now i have never experienced ban of any kannada channels... be sure about anything, and dont make your emotions to assume something, OK?
RE:RE:RE:RE:karnataka agitation
by The Lion on Feb 07, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
Is it? Till date from longtime no one can see any reaction in TN? Its you ppl get erupt taking in account lot of things for a issue of water sharing.
RE:RE:RE:karnataka agitation
by Lucifer Sam on Feb 07, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
You are the one who is creating and spreading fear psychosis with these kind of lies. When and where did violence happen in the last 2 days. Give me one instance. if you read the newspaper today you can read that Karnataka truck drivers have been accompanying trucks from TN and ensuring that nothing happens. It's better that I am a moron than being a liar like you.
RE:RE:RE:RE:karnataka agitation
by Southie on Feb 07, 2007 12:55 PM Permalink
why r the Kar truck drivers accompanying trucks from TN because there are people out there who are targeting the tamil truck drivers.
According to Himandhu Thakkar, The Cauvery award fails on the test of science as it does not consider ground water availability in the Cauvery basin area. Mr. Thakkar should know that reach of Science goes much beyond lifting of ground water. Now-a-days technology is available for getting drinking water from the sea. Cost is the only problem. We are happy to note that you have not suggested recovery of water from sea and hence the length of the coastal line also should have been considered while awarding the verdict! If you start questioning the logic, there is no end to it. Why only availability of ground water should be considered? All the states do not produce the same crop. Requirement of water per hectare depends on the crop. Paddy needs more water, sugarcane needs less, floriculture needs still less. One logic for deciding the eligibility of the quantum of water is to consider the total area under cultivation in the respective states and divide in that ratio. Then a question arises. Suppose state no.1 is producing more in less land area by adopting better techniques, why should they be punished for their better productivity? Then a better logic is to divide in the ratio of total agricultural production. It is workable if all the concerned states are producing the same agricultural product. Suppose one state is producing paddy and the other sugarcane. Then what will you do? We can go on arguing like this for another century without any result. Every time an award is given by the tribunal there will be another Mr.Thakkar to question it on his own logic. Let us not fight on the issue publicly. Let Karnataka (or whoever is unhappy with the award of the tribunal ) approach the Supreme court. Whatever is the decision of the Supreme court should be binding on all the parties.
RE:Why the Cauvery award is flawed
by Lucifer Sam on Feb 07, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
logic? can we expect that from you? it'd be a breath of fresh air. all we've heard so far is emotional rhetoric and falsehoods about tamils being targetted and killed.
RE:RE:Why the Cauvery award is flawed
by The Lion on Feb 07, 2007 01:52 PM Permalink
So whom all had copyrighted 'veera ' and who is the expert of it??
we can't create from the core of earth. In our country everyone should learn (including politician) harvesting rain water, all the problem we should approach as a indian not comparing this state or that state. hello indians understand the life span and act according to that. think .......protect our nature, forest, ground water. if you block the tamil channel never increase water level in cauvery.
