Nationalisation of all rivers is the final solution for this problem. Every state wants more water and never has a good opinion of sharing waer with it's neighbors. There is no point in blaming a single state for this mess, as the story on other side of the border is the same. If TN and Karnataka are not able to solve their problems, it leads to a terrible situataion atleast in Karnataka. Tamilsare wilfully targetted on drop of a hat. Let us bomb all dams across karnataka and TN so that no such problem occurs. let the river decide what course to take!!
Mr. Kumar, if life was so easy to solve all problems as with your simple formula, we never would have so many problems in our country... be it terrorism, illiteracy, poverty, hunger etc etc.. looking at your obsession for one sided opinion any lame person can say who you are... you don't have to say you are a north indian... myself, being from the family of farming community(though I am in the field of IT), which will be directly impacted from this verdict... am trying to be neutral and praying for fair judgement which will bring happiness to both the sections of people... you show your ignorance by giving some dump formula... Lifez not so eazy buddy... just education is not sufficient... try to have some human values instead of having some biased discussions... look at some so called North Indian comments... which clearly show where they come from... when people impacted are having some healthy debate.. grow up..
RE:South India
by Raja Shanin on Feb 05, 2007 08:50 AM Permalink
This guy is a complete idiot savant, you say it's my country and this shows the kind of selfishness in you... remember, South India is where civilization came from.. as if you say North India is a peaceful haven? so you want to start war and kick all the South Indian states and you can live in peace? nice joke yar.. please don't make these kinda silly statements ever after.. sometimes it's better to keep mouths shut..
RE:RE:South India
by raji koshy on Feb 06, 2007 02:04 PM Permalink
from the history we can look back who are the trouble makers , if there is any little trouble in the south, remember its the north indians who come here begging..and start it...
Water should be shared according to needs. If state A needs x tmc and state B needs y tmc and if the forecast is only for z tmc, then state A should get x/(x y) * z and state B should get y/(x y) * z, regardless of who is the upstream state and who is the down stream state.
Looking at your comments, Mr. Kumar, it looks like you know more about tamilians and their culture than the people of tamil nadu themselves... also you say drought in tamil nadu is much worse... so being a non-south Indian you know a lot about Tamil Nadu.. I appreciate your interest in tamil nadu... though your hometown might have lot of itz own problems(if you are truly not from tamil nadu... look at my 2 points which is not generated of my own, but globally know and you can check with any government or any media news papers..
1) 562 tmc to Tamil Nadu versus 175 tmc to Tamil Nadu(source.. this article itself) 2) 3 crops per year by tamil nadu versus 2 crops by karnataka
if itz false i would accept whatever you say(check about the truth of these points anywhere)..... after finding these 2 facts are true, if you still think itz unfair.. then go to school and educate yourself and come out of narrow mindedness
RE:RE:To Mr. Kumar who thinks his house is clean
by kumar on Feb 05, 2007 06:57 AM Permalink
first of all, this article doesnt say how much Karnataka wants and how much they want to release to TN. Karnataka has generally been unfair with water just because it originates from there. During the extreme drought in South India, most news was based in TN not Karnataka. This is from english dailies in the north which are not biased towards either state. This makes think that water wasnt shared equally (based on need not absolute equally) by Karnataka.
When rain is bountiful, will a state release more water than is warranted from another state. Similarly, it should release the same amount during drought. Well thats based on equality. I dont believe that. i think during drought, everyone should take the hit, not just the state downstream.
For your information, i live in Hyderabad now and not a Tamilian or a Kannadiga (or a telugu for that matter). I am a proud North Indian. My message is that as Indians we need to share resources, not look at it from our own state's view. Since South Indians are myopic in general, you need North Indians to sort it out else this can even lead to breakup of the country.
RE:RE:RE:To Mr. Kumar who thinks his house is clean
by kumar on Feb 05, 2007 06:59 AM Permalink
Dont you agree that Karnataka has done something very anti-national by delaying the release of Bollywood movies. Similar to the Kannadigas, the Tamilians, etc have not shown much national unity as the North Indians. How many South Indians die for our motherland in wars. Most independence fights were all northern based. In fact, South India would not be independent if it were not for us in North India.
RE:RE:RE:RE:To Mr. Kumar who thinks his house is clean
by raji koshy on Feb 06, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
lol that is why i see every day thousands moving to bangalore from mumbai, UP, bihar ( Bangalore is like dubai, you earn money whereyou will never get any where in India...Keep in mind. and dont talk ill you have lot of your brothers in bangalore.
The water sharing scheme was setup for a reason. All parties need to live up to this. Karnataka is the one which has never lived up to this so they need to change.
Few years back, there were calls to stop providing electricity to Karnataka from Tamil Nadu. Luckily, the politicians in TN were more mature than that to stop electricity. Karnataka should think about the consequence of stopping resources like water unless someone retaliates with electricity.
These southern states only think about themselves and there lies the problem.
RE:Stop electricity to Karnataka
by Yogesh on Feb 05, 2007 02:44 AM Permalink
Kumar, I think you are mature enough to read the article which says how much Tamil Nadu wants and how much it thinks Karnataka should have. Do you think itz fair ? Also you say that Karnataka never lived up to the formula. If you know the history, Karnataka government has lived upto this even during distress time when the state faced draught. The government has secretly given the alloted tmc of water against itz farmers wishes. Don't you think to be fair, there should be a distress formula during the time of draught. Shouldn't both the states share the distress during this bad situation. Do you know that Tamil Nadu yields 3 crops in a year whereas Karnataka yields 2 crops a year. Please look at the ground realities instead of being emotional or listening to opportunist politicians in both the states. Also you mentioned about electricity, do you know that Karnataka pays for electricity whereas water is free to both the states. Instead of being narrow minded on both the sides, we people should look at the ground realities.
RE:RE:Stop electricity to Karnataka
by Seenu Subbu on Feb 05, 2007 05:47 AM Permalink
Drive all the mega mega millions of Tamils living in Bangalore, Mysore and even the most remotest of remote villages in Karnataka, back home, and then give them the water. These greedy Tamils want every Tamil of working age to work and thrive in Karnataka, squeeze the local resource, as well has have the cake and send it home too. 565 TMC and 175 TMC?!! Where did they pull that number from.
RE:RE:RE:Stop electricity to Karnataka
by Southie on Feb 05, 2007 06:13 AM Permalink
Seenu,
This is exactly what we don't need in India. We don't need ethnic cleansing. We are all Indians, thats what matters. There are lots of Kannadigas living TN as well as other states, similar to Tamilians. Don't let inter-state tension lead to ethnic tension because thats what Pakistan and such countries would want.
RE:RE:Stop electricity to Karnataka
by kumar on Feb 05, 2007 03:21 AM Permalink
the lack of water is an opportunity cost and stop electricity and see the cost.
Karnataka (as with all Southern States) only think about themselves. The drought in TN is much worse than in Karnataka. The water sharing formulae is fair. Even Vajpayee came up with a great formulae but Karnataka didnt accept it.
Karnataka has always been anti-Tamil. I suspect thats largely because of the history of Tamils which is older and prestigeous in general. Kannadas have always had inferior complex and their treatment of Tamilians in Bangalore in general is shocking.
I am not a Tamilian or South Indian but tired of all these Southern States fighting over each other. If Karnataka could have it their way, they won't give up any water.
RE:RE:RE:Stop electricity to Karnataka
by Yogesh on Feb 05, 2007 06:28 AM Permalink
Looking at your comments, Mr. Kumar, it looks like you know more about tamilians and their culture than the people of tamil nadu themselves... also you say drought in tamil nadu is much worse... so being a non-south Indian you know a lot about Tamil Nadu.. I appreciate your interest in tamil nadu... though your hometown might have lot of itz own problems(if you are truly not from tamil nadu... look at my 2 points which is not generated of my own, but globally know and you can check with any government or any media news papers..
1) 562 tmc to Tamil Nadu versus 175 tmc to Tamil Nadu(source.. this article itself) 2) 3 crops per year by tamil nadu versus 2 crops by karnataka
if itz false i would accept whatever you say(check about the truth of these points anywhere)..... after finding these 2 facts are true, if you still think itz unfair.. then go to school and educate yourself and come out of narrow mindedness
RE:RE:RE:Stop electricity to Karnataka
by Seenu Subbu on Feb 05, 2007 05:50 AM Permalink
Older and prestigious? Dude, do you think neighbors living together for thousands of years would suddenly one day decide that one person speaks the "inferior" language and the other one retains the "superior" culture? Cut your superiority complex, dude. Try to think how these different languages could have evolved, even within people living within a mile of each other.
If you are not from either of the states as you claim, then it would be prudent for you to keep your opinion with yourself and learn to mind your business. And when you write a comment, use proper terms. People of karnataka are referred to as Kannadiga and not "Kannadas".
RE:RE:RE:RE:Stop electricity to Karnataka
by kumar on Feb 05, 2007 05:11 AM Permalink
Mr Rao,
This is an india wide problem because this can lead to animosity between states. Southern States are especially miopic so the dangers are even greater.
Mohan, you are true. I will change the phrase a bit. KARNATAKA WILL NOT BECOME RICHER IF IT RELEASES FEW TMC LESS AND TAMIL NADU WILL NOT BECOME POORER IF IT GETS FEW TMC LESS
RE:correcting mohan's phrase
by raji koshy on Feb 06, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
its cool, but dont let my farmers die in Karnataka and you want to have bath..
The whole issue is quite stupid. Rivers dont belong one sole state just because it originates there. Make rivers national property and share waters equally. Do we ever hear american states fight over the Mississippi or english counties quabble over the Thames? This will furball into a serious issue during times of prolonged drought. I hope the tribunal is wise enough to forsee this.
RE:This is pathetic!
by mohan suswaram on Feb 04, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
You are right. Infact, the whole issue is "human greed" and nothing else. Karnataka will not become poor if it releases a few more tmc ft of water and Tamilnadu will not become rich if it gets some more water. Let people treat others as "people".
RE:RE:This is pathetic!
by kumar on Feb 05, 2007 01:23 AM Permalink
The water sharing scheme was setup for a reason. All parties need to live up to this. Karnataka is the one which has never lived up to this so they need to change.
Few years back, there were calls to stop providing electricity to Karnataka from Tamil Nadu. Luckily, the politicians in TN were more mature than that to stop electricity. Karnataka should think about the consequence of stopping resources like water unless someone retaliates with electricity.
These southern states only think about themselves and there lies the problem.
RE:This is pathetic!
by on Feb 04, 2007 09:54 PM Permalink
Mr. Sai, I agree with you that water should be shared equally. If you read the article properly, Tamil Nadu contends that it requires 565 tmc of water for itself and 175 tmc to Karnataka. is that fair ? You are right that just because it originates in one state, it doesn't belong that state likewise just it flows in another state, it doesn't belong to that state too. As you said about rivers in western world, there is surplus of water in those countries and they have never seen draught unlike in India. Living in Detroit, MI which is known for land of 5 Great Lakes which pretty much looks like an ocean and looks like it can cater to the whole world... :-) Hence western world can NEVER be compared to India in terms of sharing waters.
RE:RE:This is pathetic!
by Raja Shanin on Feb 05, 2007 08:56 AM Permalink
This sharing of water 565 tmc to TN and 175 tmc to KA depends on the usage for agriculture my friend... we should understand that more of agricutlutre land you have the more water you need... this is what TN's stance is..after all most of the cauvery water goes into the sea..huh
