all of you who want afzal to be hanged do not how indian judiciary and police works.(nithari is good example) i am saying this because i have been to jail for almost 40 days and a brush with cbi and the reason i am muslim. the inspector only said all muslim ar crimnal. of course despite best effort they could nto prove it.( and in tihar jail i met host of so called muslim terrorist who are just poor people and cannot afford lawyer, as i write i know of bangldeshi who did his grads from one of the respectable colleges in delhi is rotting in tihar arrested for being terrorist and since it could not be proved no matter how hard the IB tried he is there since last two years for violating visa rules (the punishment for which is max 6 months).
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by ashok bhardwaj on Feb 03, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
I feel sad for you and pity on the current system, current educated youth (Hindu or Muslim). Whoever is in power anywhere, keep paining the other people.. Don't know where my India is heading? And I am worried why the above message has been reported abuse? I didn't find anything wrong here, even after reading it twice..
RE:justice.
by mahendra kumar ganesan on Feb 03, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
I can imagine how u will feel abt this. I hope ISLAM will console u. Please ignore what has been told abt u and done to u(I know I do not have rights to say this). Let's work for better India. I hope u will find millions of soul like me in this country to be with u.
RE:justice.
by Anurag Shrivastava on Feb 03, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
Mazher - I completely sympathise with you and statistically there are more Hindu terrorists in South Asia than there are muslim terrorists( most of us forget the LTTE and ULFA and Naxalites and Khalistanis ( who are basically Hindus ) in the past) who have caused more damage to India than some muslims have - having killed two former PMs of India , one President of Sri Lanka and numerous Indian Soldiers in Lanka and Assam. Yes - some muslim brothers of yours are giving you a bad name and you will suffer for sometime because of their deeds but those bad times will pass one day. There are some serious perception problems which Muslims face - much of it because of doings of some radical elements and I think you must raise a voice against these people. Other Indians will start accepting you.
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by mazher alam on Feb 03, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
anurag i have no grudge against anybody . i fully unerstand there are good people and bad people irespetive of caste, color race etc. but my problem is with the bias and our hypocracy.we want to live with it. (when a cow grows old the man will go and sell it to butcher and say no go-hatya)he will wear the best leather boots made from the same cow hide and still say no gow-hatya.) how long we will keep doing this?
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Feb 03, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
Look within my friend. You have raised an example of what is wrong with some Hindus with respect to their attitude towards the cows.That question will solve nothing for you. You have to worry about what is happening to you. You are being painted with the same brush across the world - from China , to India , to Africa , to Europe to America. I don't have the answer to that. If someone looks at me and thinks I am a terrorist - I will be very worried. And I will want to know why. Time you start finding out why it is happening that way.
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by prakash mudholkar on Feb 04, 2007 12:23 AM Permalink
Anurag, but LTTE and ULFA do not fight for Hinduism. They fight for a separate land/cause. I suppose your argument is off the track. Hope you are not a so-called secular supporter of the country ruining castist CONGRESS party.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Feb 04, 2007 01:17 AM Permalink
much like Kashmiris fight for homeland and not for Islam. LTTE is purely Hindus fighting against Sinhalese Buddhists. It is a religious fight for Hindus. They invented suicide bombing much before even Hamas did and are even more deadly. Statements like all muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslims is nonsense if you look at facts. No - I support BJP btw. However I think mindless demonisation of muslims does not help India. They need to be weaned away from the large Muslim brotherhood by making them feel as part of India. The rotten elements amongst them must be eliminated - and I blame congress and samajvadi party for supporting only the rotten elements of muslim population.
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by SteeveB on Feb 04, 2007 02:50 AM Permalink
prakash, I beg your pardon with little correction. He is not secular, he is pseudo-secular. Actually, they are pseudo-everything. These are people who live in denial.
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by jeemil on Feb 03, 2007 10:46 PM Permalink
Anurag and Mazher with due repsect Afzal i completely sympathise with u.Now Mr Anurag I hope my point wont be taken from communal aspect,but if u mean to say terrosist in kashmir are causing less trouble than eastern india,why dont u just wake up and see past records a bit clearly.Where our country's 50 per budget goes.And blaming police straightway for this Mr Afzal isnt the right thing.They are not gods.In the past from software engg to one very with very respectable degree have been caught in terrorism activity.And if u think its against one community then see how ulfa terrorist are caught.Would be in same manner on the basis of doubt and at times survelliance.When u say Afzal is wrongly convicted then my dear friend he has accepted by himself his awareness of the parliament attact what else u want.And I am not a avid supporter of thackeray what wrong he has said about Mr kalam.Y he is playing a balancing act y not take a decision
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by mazher alam on Feb 03, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
we are not talking only on afzal, afzal is just a point i am taliking of our basic right to live with dignity.it is our country and how can you let Nithari or gujrat happen and for how long.
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by jimil on Feb 03, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
dear Mazher sorry but being a gujarati I have to write everytime that gujarat killings are badly reported.And if u think that one commuity was benign and other on rampage its a myth.Take recent baroda riots or whatever.Friend go into details of it.5 temples erased for broadening of road nothing happens.After talking to Muslim cleric getting nod for them to remove mazar,stone pelting and anti-muslim govt slogans start.Two hindu boys stabbed to death and Two muslim boys stabbed to death.Just see the post godhara file report and see how many hindus and how many muslims died.
No one lets Nithari or Gujarat happen by conscience. It is more of our haplessness and helpness that we do bear witness to such incidents and because the perpetrators of such heinous crime are from religion, the blame is apportioned onto it. Honestly, such crime is more a function and play of personal factors and less from such organised industry like certain worship centers, which have just one business in common, i.e., disseminating hatred against every other religion. Friend, it is a blame we all must share because we allow such terrible acts happen without ever creating an environment to desist and possibly to root such fundamentalistic practices from our worship centers. People like you ought to shoulder the responsibility of creating more groups of conviction that the other religions are meant to work with... not certainly to fight with. Precisely when people like you embark on such all religious comptible assignment, can we ever see such Afzals finding less and less fertile climate to commit such dastardly acts of killing humans in the name of religion.
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by j p on Feb 04, 2007 01:50 PM Permalink
HEY DO U KNOW HOW GUJARAT RIOT START??? WHEN U PEOPLE BURNT INOCENT PEOPLE......... AND RAPED WOMAN AND KILLED KIDS........ THATS ONLY REVENGE OF THE PEOPLE AFTER SUFFERING FROM LAST 50 YEARS...... GUJARAT IS MOST PROSPEROUS AND PEACEFUL STATE IN THE COUNTRY EVEN TODAY AND MR. MODI IS NOT ONLY GREAT LEADER BUT GREAT ADMINISTRATOR AND NOT LIKE OTHER CURRUPTED POLITICIAN,.......... DONT SAY ANYTHING AGAINST GUJARAT WITHOUR KNOWING FACTS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
It is not always that you confront with a dilemma situation as of now the President Kalam with a supreme court verdict on one hand and Afzal's mercy petition on the other. He has to heed to the taunts of Thackeray at the same time weigh the voice of the Kashmiri people. In conflicting situation choose the lesser evil, so suggests the ethical maxim. george olivera
shiv sena storms into power.it does not really matter who comes to power.but in the current scenario shiv sena is better than others. they have something to do with nationalism and progress of city.it is only due to balasaheb that today there are a lot of flyovers and better infrastructure in place.he has a great place in peoples hearts and he is a great orator and has contributed for the city. shiv sena is better than others. he is only one leader who has not contested any election in the world.
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by prasun premrajan on Feb 03, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
harindra maybe you would like to kiss the back side of the terrorists who are killing your country men. I am sure Kissing thakrey's is much better isnt it..?
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by harindra mehta on Feb 03, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
why be my guest prasun. you seem to enjoy kissing back sides!
Sometimes, I feel, terrorists (independent of religion) and drug smugglers/peddlars, should be stoned to Death or have their xyz cut off. But thats not a practise in India. Death Sentence is the only way for such thugs. This terrorist might not fear death, but there will be 7 out of 10 who will think twice. Faruq Abdullah says, that sentencing him to death, will create dangers for the judge's family and for the politicians. Should the judiciary be scared ??????? If the judiciary is scared then we have a problem. Let the Military handle it then. Thats one brave lot that we are still proud of.
Nothing more can be expected from people like thackeray who for vote & politics sake, try to create divide between religions. he might have won the vote, but he has to use this opportunity to unite the people regardless of their religion for a prosperous india. actually, nobody can doubt kalam for his contributions for the nation's growth. thackeray is using kalam's name(muslim name) to create a divide between religions. now, it is muslims, then followed by christians, sikhs, jains, buddhists, low castes, dalits etc., he will never succeed as a human being. becoz at the end of the day, nobody can be happy by suppressing other religious faiths and followers.
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by anubhav on Feb 03, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
And you are supposed to be in hell,thats where exactly you belong.This country is also equally for muslim people,it is a fact and not going to changed.If u r not ready to accept this..u can leave.And u tell me..."Which pandit from any temple considered muslim as our brethren".Come on no body is going to say anything.I m a hindu and i m saying this bcz I don't like behaviour of hindus toward muslim.it needs to changed.For this Thackrey kind of people need to be thrown out
RE:Kalam vs thackeray
by c strangler on Feb 03, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
Am a Hindu ... though i might not like the terrorism being portrayed in the name Islam by few fanatics .. KALAM sir is different his convictions should not be tested .. he's something above normal humans.. so all yea narrow minded stupids dont make issue out of this... NONE have even a right say a bit against the INDIA's pride i wud say one of the greatest persons ever produced by INDIA .. Dr.KALAM .. hats off to u sir ..
RE:Kalam vs thackeray
by imran khan on Feb 03, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
Mr Prasun, dont forget that Muslims have ruled India or Hindostan for almost 1000 years, and India has been the homeland of 250 million indian muslims for centuries, so how dare u say that Muslims have to go to pakistan or elsewhere, if u r capable enough to kick them out of India then prove it, dont write ur wild n ridiculous wishes on internet and mind ur language (u said mossy) when u talk with Indian Muslims.
Is there law which can put all these sick politicians behind bars. Thackeray himself says he is a caricaturist. He does make one laugh with his nonsensical tirades.
RE:Hang all of them
by rahul sharma on Feb 03, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
i think u are the fake hindus u donot have self respect for nation. Your type of people only brings shame to India.Is kalam is right by staying the death sentence to that terrorist he should be hanged in public no terrorist should be left. They have lot of brahmins in kashmir
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by rahul sharma on Feb 03, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
i think u are the fake hindus u donot have self respect for nation. Your type of people only brings shame to India.Is kalam is right by staying the death sentence to that terrorist he should be hanged in public no terrorist should be left. They have killed lot of brahmins in kashmir
RE:balasaheb is best
by mazher alam on Feb 03, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
even phoolan devi won election and even abu salem is going to contest election do you think if a crimnal wins election he will become great.
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by sunil on Feb 03, 2007 10:04 PM Permalink
seems people like u need to thrown out of Hindustan by kicking your back who is compare Balasaheb with Phoolan devi and Abu Salem
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by mazher alam on Feb 03, 2007 10:25 PM Permalink
that is why he was defranchised ! i wish they had taken his right for all time.
The point noted by GS is true, how you can compare the tow diff. altitude peoples. It directly shows the way of you thinking, low GK & less awareness about the Indian Politics & the governor system. We are not here to debate on who is great & who least one is, but we are here to decide why Afzal is still alive. Even we know that his hanging will not solve the problem & not even return back our 7 JAWAN%u2019s lives. But it will be definitely a good decision & will avoid such incidents in future.
Even I am a big FAN & supporter for both Shree. A.P.J. abdul kalam & Shree, Balasaheb Thackeray. After all it was the Attach on World Largest & biggest Democracy. So better not to compare two diff personalities from diff. profession & just ask for justice.
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by Zulfiqar Dholkawala on Feb 03, 2007 10:35 PM Permalink
Please stop this non-sense discussion. Do you all know history of Phoolan Devi?? You are all right you can't compare Bal Thackery with Phoolan Devi..definately not. Bcoz phoolan devi fought for justice and peoples cause!! While Thackery's history shows he was a thug and brought forward by dirty politics to tackle grwoing power of DAWOOD in Mumbai and IND!!
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by GS on Feb 03, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Mr. Mazher you cant compare the beloved Bal Thackeray with cheap and dirty people. Phoolan Devi and Abu Salem were supported by a party favouring a particular religion. So please pass your comments only after you compare it with Kashmir and the rest of the countries where a particular religion has caused terror! Bal Thackeray has been the best and even the Non-maharashtrians like me, favour him the most
This is right what Balasahab has said, but he has said it for wrong person.The govt.who is to be blammed is the Congress and the centre govt. It is the chief Minister of J&K and our home minister who are backing Afzal Guru's, but you can immagine what would had happend to these two if Afzal had finished his attack on Parliment sucessfully.
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by prasun premrajan on Feb 03, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
People has gone mad..? then maybe you should be asliong for clemency for all those indian convicts in the prsions sho are on the death roll. Some of you big hearted hindus are as good as the fanatical muslims.
