RE:What about Kashmiri Hindus, Bangla Hindus , Kerla Hindus , afghan hindus , pakistan hindus
by ded de on Feb 02, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
Either we must rise or we fal.time has come for us to fight back and reclaim our land.
RE:RE:What about Kashmiri Hindus, Bangla Hindus , Kerla Hindus , afghan hindus , pakistan hindus
by Imaan on Feb 02, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
Unless you rise you will never FALL!!!
I demand an answer from all the pseudo-secularist candle-brigade and Hindu-hating crowd that includes journalists, NGOs and all sorts of assorted activists, most of them doubtlessly on the full-time payroll of the Pakis, Gulfis and evangelical missionaries - where do you people vanish when it come to the question of millions of Hindus, who are still today, the victims of Islamic terrorism and Christian evangelism? The Hindus, despite their numerous faults, are slowly but surely waking up. After what has happened - and is happening -to us in Kashmir, Bangladesh and many parts of India and the world, don't expect us to be nice. Secular howls and crocodile tears don't move us any more. Jaganniwas Iyer
RE:RE:Crocodile tears for Godhra, damn the Hindus
by on Feb 02, 2007 10:53 PM Permalink
Abdul Rehman Padru was killed by j&k police and 80% the j%k police are muslims.Who shot him was he a uslim or hindu?
Ethnic cleansing...what do you mean 90% Kasmhmiris are muslims... if they were tortured by by hindu kings and army ..it should have become 90% hindus?
Who the hell wants to return to kashmir.Remembring those killings where hindu women were first raped and then cut into pieces makes your spine chill.
What conditions kashmiris live as a kasmhmir..many of them have got educated and have moved ahead..and qotas..do brahmins get job reservation in this country???
As our great Mahatma Gandhi put it, "Religion is personal". Each person has the freedom to choose his/her own form of God (Or formless) to come out of his/her problems and lead a happy life.
Can we not understand this basic principle? Or Is it that we do not want to understand this principle? If we do not understand this basic principle, then we are all mentally retarded people. That leaves us with the other option, that we do not want to understand this principle, since there is an inherent discontentment in everyone, and religion is the most easy trigger to fuel the frenzy.
The present set-up in our country be it politicial, legal, cultural, religious cannot and will not help our country men to come out of this inherent disease.
A different approach is definitely called for. The approch is one has to feel connected with another to truly cause no harm for the other person. This feeling of connectedness is what is required at this moment to put an end to this chronic religious battles.
How do we feel connected with another person? The answer is one has to become completely enlightened like Buddha or Ramana or Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Jesus Christ and so on...
There needs to be fundemental shift in our consciousness for us to experience this state of oneness.
I came across a beautiful site : www.onenessuniversity.org. Looks like they have a solution to the problems.
RE:Religious Battles
by ded de on Feb 02, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
I fully agree with religion being personal. but applicable so long as that tenet is subscribed by all faiths. go to pakistan and sudi and try to preach the teachings of great men whose name you have just mentioned and find out youselve what is the future of india (presumably you wont be beheaded there for being a kafir as you believe in loving your enemy).
RE:RE:RE:Religious Battles
by A P on Feb 02, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
So u think that not being able to follow a minority religion is good according to Islam? How many times you have been stopped from going to mosque in India?
RE:RE:Religious Battles
by KK A on Feb 02, 2007 02:55 PM Permalink
I am not in favour of any religion, all I am saying is all of us have mis-interpreted the great teachings of great masters for our selfish motives. I am not for teaching anyone the scriptures, I am advocating a serious introspection and see for ourselves the inner conflicts that is erupting as religious battles, tribal battles, caste battles outside. This is what the great masters saw and that is how they became great masters.
Any film /documentary /convention for us . millions of hindus killed/raped/disposessed/ displaced by muslim marauders from bangladesh and pakistan.thousands buthured on a single day of "Great Calcutta Killing". The culprits are able to call themselves backward and demand greater share of state assets,reservation... but what about the victims.the way things are moving we are again going to become victims again few more pakistans to be carved out of india are in waiting. thanks to our great securalist.
RE:Any conventions/discussion for us.
by Imaan on Feb 02, 2007 06:02 PM Permalink
Again Pakistan and Bangladesh!!! Go and fight them then. Why blame Indian muslims for their faults???
Dear friends, I fail to understand why every topic, every blog, always end up people accusing each other. Always this intolerance to each other in the name of religion. Why is it necessary that we bring up topics of the past, instead of understanding the magnitude of the current apathy of the situation? Delve into each other%u2019s religious fundamentalisms? Why do we blame politicians for some thing that they initiated, which we hate and but we are still justifying it. A death is a death. A murder is a murder. A rape is a rape. Does saying that %u201CX%u201D people started it, we only retaliated justify this crime? Imagine u r alone in a road and there are hundreds of people with swords, arms, etc.moving each step towards you to butcher you. Think of the pain in your heart. Think of that moment. Think of all the dreams you had for yourself and your family. Those moments, where with each step of the enemy, your prayers will double. Wishing God to somehow help you to get out of this situation. Does it matter whether you are praying to Allah, Ram, Jesus? Does it matter to the people who are trying to kill you? Think of the things that you want to say to your precious people and know you will never live to tell those things. And you are being killed for something you don%u2019t even know much. Just because some people of a particular religion killed some people of another religion? Is that fair to you?? Is that fair to your family?? Is that fair to any human being irrespective if hic cast, creed, race, religion??? There is a Nithari scam, do we hate people of that community???There are road accidents by some drunkards; do we hate the people of that community???Why do we get pumped up this religious topic? It is something that we must stop. Make this country a better living place for our children. Make them proud to be humans and to be Indians. Instead of battling down here in front of the computer, why don%u2019t we join hands and do some productive thing for humanity and our country. Interested people can reply to this%u2026%u2026%u2026..
RE:Friends....Lets be a better human being first....
by Ajay Mishra on Feb 02, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
dude! you got a point. I fully agree. But there are many people who love to hate. if there is nothing like hindu Vs Muslim, they will find something else to feed their hate self..
RE:RE:Friends....Lets be a better human being first....
by Samson Moses on Feb 02, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
You are right up to the point..But it is not enough to write our messages on the net.Steps have to be taken to make India a better country.Steps should be taken to eradicate the common enemies.Steps to eradicate poverty, illiteracy... lets start an organisation to help poor children to secure education.Sponser their studies....If interested to mail me on samsonmoses1977@rediffmail.com
RE:RE:RE:Friends....Lets be a better human being first....
by wesley juin on Feb 02, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
dont follow politicians, modi or congress. these scums incite people and gain political mileage while ordinary people suffer..i hav heard people get only the kind of politicians they deserve! gujrat shd learn frm the south. even if it isnt the best place in the world we know how to live in harmony. what do u guys get by bashing each other's religion.. think of people as humans and not as hindu, muslim, philistine!!! lets together make our country proud instead of fighting each other..
RE:RE:Friends....Lets be a better human being first....
by karishma sushilkumar on Feb 02, 2007 08:50 PM Permalink
You're right in that some people survive on hatred. But what makes you think you can coolly marginalise a "muslim" ? It is a personal ideology of an individual or a SMALL group. We'd all do better if we didn slap ridiculous accusations on a bunch of people because a tiny part of them pissed you off. There are tonnes of individuals who dont fall under your absolutely fantastic over-generalisation which clearly reeks of ignorance of such peoples.
Clearly, there's a lack of people seeing the bigger picture here. If A likes red and B takes a liking to blue, should A kill B, or vice versa, just because B is not similar to A when it comes to color choices?? Absolutely ridiculous. In a day and age when we already have common enemies that loom out there which possess the dangerous potential to wipe out humanity-(AIDS, basic poverty, nukes to name but a few) - here we are fighting about land and religion. These are man-made conceptulizations of the belief in a higher power. Believe in whichever god- but what the hell does that have to do with Land and buildings? Sure, they have importance as they represent something to us, but isnt faith (in whoever you believe to be God) enough to help you survive spiritually? Oh no! You need land to call for yourselves. You want buildings to prove that you have faith. And as if we need more killing when people are dying anyway of cancer and aids and malaria. Yeah, thats what we need - we need people to start fighting amongst themselves, about personal choices like red and blue instead of fighting common enemies that can affect their kids and grandkids pretty darn soon! People make fun of idealism, and thats because it seems too improbable that dreams work. True. But realistic idealism calls for waking up to scary visions of a meltdown due to global warming, multiple tsunamis killing everybody, not sparing any religion. There you, nobody is spared by the bigger enemies. At least we'd be a little better of keeping our hands off each others' throats.
RE:THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE - SO STOP WHINING ABOUT EACH OTHER..
by Samson Moses on Feb 02, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
You are right up to the point..But it is not enough to write our messages on the net.Steps have to be taken to make India a better country.Steps should be taken to eradicate these common enemies.Steps to eradicate poverty, illiteracy... lets start an organisation to help poor children to secure education.Sponser their studies....If interested to mail me on samsonmoses1977@rediffmail.com
RE:RE:THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE - SO STOP WHINING ABOUT EACH OTHER..
by karishma sushilkumar on Feb 02, 2007 08:44 PM Permalink
Sir, Brilliant point. Taken. I'll have you know that I believe it is important to practice what you preach- which is what I do , in whatever capacity I can.
Otherwise, we're on the same page on things. Cool.
Let this forum become a stage to understand the feeling of all , may be people writing aganist your feeling have iota of truth. Even though many abuse each other in this forum, this shoulb be stage to discuss & understand the TRUTH.
Can we also talk bout the life of Kashmiri Pandits...who are living such a life since 25 yrs??? Are they not human? Don't they have family n kids? Where are the NGO's? They'll go only where there is media coverage and get big loans from World Bank??? So bad is the scenario in India that rather than fighting for human-kind we fight for caste & religion.
RE:What about Kashmiri Pandits???
by A P on Feb 02, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
No they are not human because they are not a vote bank and they do not take to arms to prove heir point.
RE:RE:What about Kashmiri Pandits???
by Imaan on Feb 02, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
Their Govt does it for them!!! They dont have to take up arms for themselves as the India govt. does the proxy killing of innocent muslims in the valley to clear the way for them!!!
why only guj? why secular media is silent about 38000 communal riots which happened during congress rule and started by muslim goondas after friday sermons of mullas? and many vicitms belong to mejority community why media does not make noise about butcher done kahsmiri pundits. more 100 ml pundist killed and their woman raped children behaded and temaples destoryed. If guj is hindtva then jk is islami experiment and congress and stat jk govt is responsible for blood bath in Jk shame on secular jounalists for dobule std. why secularism changes its colour when it comes to hindu cause. why loss of hindu life or propety does not coutn??/
RE:Guj riot is over hyped by media what about another 38000 communal riots wich happened udner cong rule
by kvln kon on Feb 02, 2007 11:00 AM Permalink
SHAME ON SUEDO SECULARISTS, SHAME ON CONGRESS , SHAME ON THE JK KILLERS & DEATH to PAKI which supported this
RE:RE:Guj riot is over hyped by media what about another 38000 communal riots wich happened udner cong rule
by NAFASAT KHAN on Feb 02, 2007 04:29 PM Permalink
surely,we must be rational.who is thinking of displaced Kashmiri pandits!we must be sensitive to all agrievds,irrespective of color,caste,creed n religion.Hindus have believe in "vasudeva Kutumbakam".It is not mathematics,i.e. -1 can't be adjusted by 1.sufferings of hindus at the hands of Muslims will have to be condemned by Muslims themselves,will have to completely dissociate themselves from perpetrators of violence.hindus have always stood with Muslims in need of hour.why don't muslim respond positively?Hindus cann't be termed as"kafir.they believe in God(s).A kafir is atotal non-believer.Even a non-believer is not to be persecuted by any believer.Everyone should be free to live according to his/her believe.only condition-his/her beliefs/acts should not be offending to others.mutual-tolerence is a way of group-living
RE:RE:RE:Guj riot is over hyped by media what about another 38000 communal riots wich happened udner cong rule
by ratnesh srivastav on Feb 02, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
Khan Sahab I am proud to have a fellow Indian like you. I wish all of the restof Indian Muslims be like you. Please Strengthen your voice we are with you. Rest of people like one person named Imaan (in reality baemaan) has been writing a lot of nonsense on rediff. I hope he reads your message and understand that his intension of dividing India will not succeed.
