I would like to ask the muslim bretheren, if anyone raised anyvoice over the years,When thousands of Kashmiri Hindus were killed, sent out of their homeland and living like orphans, in various parts of India? Did the people who are making a hue and cry ever shed a drop of tear for those people, who are also Indians? Further We know verywell the Hinduking"s accession to India, and because of the backing of Paikistans": they re doing all these aon innocent people, who are suffering for generations. Be human, take a fair position, and have a magnanimous mind. The main reason for the situation is the backwardness of the muslims, non-education,( the cultural segregation. If these, done by the congress for their votebank politics, is viped, they will surely join the main stream. But the policy of the Left, and the congressare the real culprits, who instigate, and see to it that they remain in the back, so they can be brainwashed by the ANTI_BJP stance. Actually the Muslims in India should know that the Bjp actually wants them to come up, join mainstream and be equal. Atleast Now the Educated muslims wake up, comeout and make the others in their community to makle a realisation to this effect.!!
RE:Troubles in India are always started by the muslims.
by karishma sushilkumar on Feb 03, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
First we are world citizens. And if you dont agree with that at least you will concede that FIRST, YOU ARE INDIAN. religion is of as much importance as your selection of your favorite music or which state you come from. And how exactly do you know who the trouble is started by? You were'nt part of any of it, how do YOU KNOW what's actually going on? THe news is a medium and hence it has its limitations. So unless you were right there in the middle of a situation you have no doggone idea what actually happens. Perhas you're right. But at least you'll be a lot more at peace with things if you didnt go around jumping at old boring conclusions.
I am an "indian muslim" and I have a grevience against Imaan. He has been defaming my religion by attacking hindus here on the platform provided by you (islam is not so mean religion). He is speaking nonsense. Why can't you delete such messages immediately. I believe he is a pakistani ISI spy. Please trace his location and give the information to police so that such anti nationals are eleminated from our society.
It is sheer crap that ''only in India'' you find people of all faiths living together.
Today many European Countries are as multi cultural as India.
The same is True of North America.
Small Countries such as Pakistan and Bangladesh are also as multicultural as India!!!
India is only noted due to limelight we are in due to our rising economic clout in the world and our population!!!
Rest of your points are not worth commenting as conversion by sword is a much old allegation heralded against Islam older than centuries but many scholars have clearly with much evidence refuted such false accusations!
As the best example is India itself which was ruled in the past by Moghuls for nearly 1000 years yet it is 87% Hindu even today!!!
Other examples include Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Bangladesh which have sizeable Hindu populations.
'The world has never known more mericiful conquorers than Muslims'
- Prof. Thomas Arnold: Spread of Islam in the World: A History of Peaceful Preaching.
This book which forms Prof. Thomas Arnold%u2019s magnum opus deals with a subject which few have broached to this day and gives an authoritative history of the expansion of Islam through peaceful preaching and missionary activity. The author has covered most of the countries where Muslims live including INDIA.
RE:Truth
by on Feb 02, 2007 10:11 PM Permalink
Agreed that many countries have become multicultural for example the European Countries you mentioned but see what you done to them..Preaching hatred in the name of islam ..killing the very own people who gave you shelter.
Don't talk abt pakistan and bagaladesh.From 20% minorities,there percentage has come down drastically.
Rest of the muslim countires multicultrism is not worth mentioning apartfrom few south east asian countries.
Atleast you agree india is noted for something.You have mentioned population..you know one of the chief contributers are your muslim berthrens. Many of them believe family planning is against islam.
You take pride in saying muslims ruled india for 1000 years still 87% percent are hindus in this country.However you always forget there where marthas rajputs shikhs Who where contantly fighting against them.Muslims where never able completely subjugatethis country.
Wherever and whenever muslim rulers got chance they converted people.
And who is Prof. Thomas Arnold????
Is he a spokesman of Prophet Mohammad(pbuh)???
I will tell who he is.
" Sir Thomas Walker Arnold (1864-1930) was an eminent British orientalist who taught at MAO College, Aligarh, and Government College, Lahore. He was also the teacher of famous poet-philosopher Muhammad Iqbal, Syed Sulaiman Nadwi and a very close friend of Shibli Nomani who was also a teacher at Aligarh. " Living in pakistanSir Thomas Walker Arnold (1864-1930) was an eminent British orientalist who taught at MAO College, Aligarh, and Government College, Lahore. He was also the teacher of famous poet-philosopher Muhammad Iqbal, Syed Sulaiman Nadwi and a very close friend of Shibli Nomani who was also a teacher at Aligarh."
Are you pakistani?I can see why he has written so favourable about islam.Livng among the muslims and writing against there believes ..well we all know what could have happened to him.
Don't quote certain xyz to prove that islam and its followers are merciful and peacefull people.
I can refer you thousands of book on Islam where it has been mentioned that it was spread by employing the maximum brutality.
And one more thing dude...there can be many conflicts in india among the various communities but still freadom is quite appreciable in this country.
RE:Truth
by Amjed Sheikh on Feb 03, 2007 01:07 AM Permalink
Imaan, Here I find you spouting false information again. I have come to realise that either you are: a. A pakistani, b. A chinese, c or any other enemy of India.
You say that you are muslim. Do you even know the meaning of muslim: "Musllal imaan"-- one whose character is pure (you can watch sarfarosh). I feel it is my duty to remove the mask from your real, and cruel intentions. Question: Tell me how many muslims or blacks or borwns have become president of america? Answer: None. Conclusion: India, Indians (and specially Hindus) treat all groups as equals.
Question: Why miority population in pakistan and bangladesh has reduced from 14% to 2% in last 60 years, even when the population growth rates are 2.2% annually whereas in India the population of all minorities have been constant of (in our case) increasing. Answer: Minorities have been killed, tortured, and forcibily converted in accepting Islam. Whereas in Indian this has never happened. Conclusions: India, Indians (and hindus specially) have treated minorities as equals. Our population has increased because of rampant lack of education.
Your History is flawed. Moguls came with babur in 1526 (first battle of panipat) and ruled in real power till 1707 (death of aurangzeb (He was a criminal tyrrant who killed Gurutegbahadur of Sikhs while trying to convert)). The moguls stayed in power till 1857 but only for name sake. Regions around Delhi was ruled by Raja Surajmal and the rest was ruled by nawab of avadh, marathas etc.
Prof Thomas Arnold was a teacher in MAO college as correctly stated by Feb and he was corrupt man that took large sum of money to write what he did.
However Islam can be practiced peacefully but not by people like you who carry so much venom inside for others. You must remember:
"MAT KAR NAFRAT ITNI JAHAN SE KI ISHQ BHOOL JAYE KHUDA GAVAH HAI"
My dear Indian now we must crush foreign powers and people like Imaan who are spies. We must not give them any mercy as they are criminals against humanity. Please remember this country is also our home. Jinnah and not people like us asked for pakistan. We are with you, we want India to be developed and people like Imaan will nor hesitate to kill even muslims just like MALEGAON. So brothers donot lose faith on people like me. We are there to fight these vermins like Imaan. These people are fighting while hiding behind the name of Islam so I know people like me shall have to remove the mask of religion from their faces. This we will do gladly. Kashmiri hindus are my brothers and they must go back and fight those who have pushed them out. Inshallah I shall fight on their side against traitors and enemy agents.
And Imaan, people like you shall not get place even in jahnnoom (forget ablot jannat) because you are simply KILLERS of INNOCENT PEOPLE.
Go back to your country and stay there If we find you in our INDIA we shall punish you without mercy
RE:RE:Truth about Hinduism!!!
by ded de on Feb 02, 2007 11:54 PM Permalink
to understand hinduism requires an IQ which would never be present in any advocate of those who kill jews in israel, hindus in india and christians in sudan and each other in their own country. Since he likes to quote so do I:
"When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous." ~ Albert Einstein. need a fatwa for beheading that kafir called einsein .
RE:my dear muslim friends..please read
by Imaan on Feb 02, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
It is sheer crap that ''only in India'' you find people of all faiths living together.
Today many European Countries are as multi cultural as India.
The same is True of North America.
Small Countries such as Pakistan and Bangladesh are also as multicultural as India!!!
India is only noted due to limelight we are in due to our rising economic clout in the world and our population!!!
Rest of your points are not worth commenting as conversion by sword is a much old allegation heralded against Islam older than centuries but many scholars have clearly with much evidence refuted such false accusations!
As the best example is India itself which was ruled in the past by Moghuls for nearly 1000 years yet it is 87% Hindu even today!!!
Other examples include Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Bangladesh which have sizeable Hindu populations.
'The world has never known more mericiful conquorers than Muslims'
- Prof. Thomas Arnold: Spread of Islam in the World: A History of Peaceful Preaching.
This book which forms Prof. Thomas Arnold%u2019s magnum opus deals with a subject which few have broached to this day and gives an authoritative history of the expansion of Islam through peaceful preaching and missionary activity. The author has covered most of the countries where Muslims live including INDIA.
RE:RE:my dear muslim friends..please read
by on Feb 02, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
Agreed that many countries have become multicultural for example the European Countries you mentioned but see what you done to them..Preaching hatred in the name of islam ..killing the very own people who gave you shelter.
Don't talk abt pakistan and bagaladesh.From 20% minorities,there percentage has come down drastically.
Rest of the muslim countires multicultrism is not worth mentioning apartfrom few south east asian countries.
Atleast you agree india is noted for something.You have mentioned population..you know one of the chief contributers are your muslim berthrens. Many of them believe family planning is against islam.
You take pride in saying muslims ruled india for 1000 years still 87% percent are hindus in this country.However you always forget there where marthas rajputs shikhs Who where contantly fighting against them.Muslims where never able completely subjugatethis country.
Wherever and whenever muslim rulers got chance they converted people.
And who is Prof. Thomas Arnold????
Is he a spokesman of Prophet Mohammad(pbuh)???
I will tell who he is.
" Sir Thomas Walker Arnold (1864-1930) was an eminent British orientalist who taught at MAO College, Aligarh, and Government College, Lahore. He was also the teacher of famous poet-philosopher Muhammad Iqbal, Syed Sulaiman Nadwi and a very close friend of Shibli Nomani who was also a teacher at Aligarh. " Living in pakistanSir Thomas Walker Arnold (1864-1930) was an eminent British orientalist who taught at MAO College, Aligarh, and Government College, Lahore. He was also the teacher of famous poet-philosopher Muhammad Iqbal, Syed Sulaiman Nadwi and a very close friend of Shibli Nomani who was also a teacher at Aligarh."
Are you pakistani?I can see why he has written so favourable about islam.Livng among the muslims and writing against there believes ..well we all know what could have happened to him.
Don't quote certain xyz to prove that islam and its followers are merciful and peacefull people.
I can refer you thousands of book on Islam where it has been mentioned that it was spread by employing the maximum brutality.
And one more thing dude...there can be many conflicts in india among the various communities but still freadom is quite appreciable in this country.
The article and the news makers are not giving any surprises. Its being and will happen only in India. B'cos of the appeasment policy. If hindu killed or attacked, does not even a headline for this mafia psuedo secular(real communal people). We never heard or seen any of this organisations conduct a status study about the living conditions of millions of Pandits thrown out of their home land. never witnessed any status study of the 100s of hindus gunned downed in Kashmir, No NGO or minority commision take any stock of the remaing families there. Even when Congress was in power at center as well in Gugrat and UP how many communal violence occured. Any of this psuedo secu(real communal) organisations conduct a status study? nothing b'cos that time hindus killed by muslims. Even Ayodya issue, violence started after the demolition of the old stucture, thousands of hindus killed at first expressions of protest by muslims. every psudo secu(real communal) activists blamed hindus for demolition, but none blamed for the killig of thousand of hindus, b'cos in their view you done the wrong thing first...old structure is more valuable than thousands of hindu life in india. I dont blame any other relegion or relegious leaders. they are just utilising the opertunity which anemies of hindus who living inside hindus. We can see our HR minister..doing everything against hindus and hinduism, by birth he is a hindu . Communist leaders take advantages any small chances to humiliate hindus, many of them by birth hindus, Ram vilas paswan, Mulam sing yadav, all of this leaders are hindus and their ellected by majority hindu votes, but some places victory decided by minority vote. They all knows Hindu are stupids, they will vote anyway, only give preferences gather the blocks of minority votes..b'cos their votes are vote banks, they can buy it with appeasment. All this appeasement we can stop within one day...Hindus should have to realise our enemies are within us not from pakistan or banglades or else where. We dont need to kill any, hindu should believe in Ahimsa, but by the time voting you should think, no one can fool you, or no one can ignore you anymore.
RE:Real-Communal forces
by Imaan on Feb 02, 2007 07:38 PM Permalink
Fortunately the Article has been posted on Rediff and the Issue is being raised by Hindus who are worried about the future of this country!
The Sacchar commitee report has laid to rest the allegations of communal forces and their created idea of Muslim Appeasement by successive governments!!!
If the successive govts were appeasing Muslims unlike the BJP-RSS-BD combo there would not have been vast majority of muslims (by far the largest griup) languishing in Indian jails!
They would not be under represented in the Parliament!
They would not lag behind in Education and Employment in Govt. Offices!
They would not be equated below even the SC/STs in this country due to their Socio-Economic Conditions!
A treatise could be written about persecution of Indian Muslims by Indian Hindus but unlike Hindus Muslims donot carry the Burden of History on their shoulders!!!
As far as voting is concerned I would agree that if India Muslims voted enbloc to a particular party or candidate who would safeguard their interests or atleast make sure that they live in peace in this country the pathetic conditions of Muslims in India, that today it is would have been much better!!!
The Indian Government would do well not to spend millions of dollars on India Shinning Campaings. Rather work towards the development of the country without communalising the environment and safeguarding the interest of all the communities in the country and providing justice to the grieving parties with out partiality (To uphold rajdharma as Vajpayee put it but himself could not hold it in the face of carnage faced by muslims in gujrat:Or maybe he meant to uphold SELECTIVE rajdharma?)
RE:RE:Real-Communal forces
by on Feb 02, 2007 10:34 PM Permalink
There are social prejudice everywhere and in every society?Do you mean to say muslims don't prosecute muslims?
Do mean to say shias and sunnis don't fight? Do mean to say hindus and christians live without torture in pakistan or any muslim countries?
India has some very prominent personalities who are muslims? Its present head of state and one of its reachest bussinessman is a muslim?And the list goes on?Did they become what they are just by sheer luck and by the grace of allah under the immense troture by hindus?
Don't talk abt one treatise?There can be thousands of treatise which can be written abt muslims acts of subjugation not only in india but around the world?
Muslims never integrate where they live the try to live in ghettos?
How can they improve there living condition when they are only intreted in getting qualified knowledge of quaran?
Who will give them a job on that basis..There could be many things which can be written?
You always talk abt gujrat but you never accept what you did in Godhara.You will claim its fake and was set by bjp government!!!.
You will say forget abt pandits of kashmir see what army is doing there to the muslims.
There reason is you being a muslim never want to integrate with hindu majority india.Situation goes out of control and Army goes there.You kill hindus and Army kills muslims.(Same what Muslim majority pakistanis did to Hindus in bangaladesh).
Don't give crap.Muslims aways had bloody borders and it will never be in peace even with there own berthrens.
This psuedo secularist media never gets tired of speaking for muslims and blames hindus for all the ills. If the media stops hyping the things unnecessarily and report the truth, 99% of the problem will be solved. For instance, the truth about Bangalore. Who was responsible for the riots in Bangalore. All these riots were started by the CONgress goons and the media blames BJP. All the CONgressi goons and leaders incited the muslim mob to rob the houses of hindus. But neither the (highly) irresponsible) cares for hindus to raise this issue, nor the psuedo-sickular leaders of this country
Hi, The one who is saying that they are affriad after the Godra Riot whoud ask the question why the Godra Riot Started?. Is there any answer? There will be no fire without a spark. If you don't want fire, please take care that there is no spark. This is the simple solution to it.
RE:Why Godra Started?
by Imaan on Feb 02, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
If only you could see it, If only you could hear it and if only you could read it.
It is known by all who carried out the Carnage in Gujrat and Who started it!!!
Indeed you are right-There can be no spark without fire but the problem is who started the spark and who started the fire?
BTW whoever it was it is sure to engulg the peace and integrity of this country and blok its wheels of development unless the perpetrators are put to justice like in the Parliament attack case and Mumbai blast case!!!
